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kevin@askforaddress.com - 23 Jun 2008 12:10 GMT
I observed an interesting and rather scary thing this weekend. A long,
skinny (~3" diameter) rocket suffered a recovery harness failure at apogee,
and the booster section did not come in on chute. What it did do was glide -
a relatively long way, and very fast. It was amazingly stable, and flew in a
slightly 'nose up' attitude. The winds were very slight, crosswind to the
flight line.

A guesstimate would put the glide distance in excess of 400 yards from
~1000', at a speed well in excess of 30mph. There was no nose cone or
forward section, just the open tube. There were no tag ends of harness
flapping in the breeze, so it must have broken at the mounting. The scary
part is that on its final leg, it took a turn toward the flight line and
came in arrow straight toward the crowd. It impacted the berm of a drainage
ditch less than 30' in front of people.

I've never seen such a thing, and am really glad it is not a more common
occurance.

Kevin O
Joe Pfeiffer - 24 Jun 2008 03:46 GMT
> I observed an interesting and rather scary thing this weekend. A long,
> skinny (~3" diameter) rocket suffered a recovery harness failure at apogee,
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> I've never seen such a thing, and am really glad it is not a more common
> occurance.

There was a boost glider at NARAM a few years ago designed to glide
like this.
Smaug Ichorfang - 24 Jun 2008 07:31 GMT
Doesn't Peter Alway have a patent on retrogliding model rockets?  Number
6926576 I believe.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=FksUAAAAEBAJ&dq=backward+gliding+rocket

>> I observed an interesting and rather scary thing this weekend. A
>> long, skinny (~3" diameter) rocket suffered a recovery harness
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> There was a boost glider at NARAM a few years ago designed to glide
> like this.

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Joe Pfeiffer - 24 Jun 2008 22:57 GMT
>> There was a boost glider at NARAM a few years ago designed to glide
>> [backwards]

> Doesn't Peter Alway have a patent on retrogliding model rockets?  Number
> 6926576 I believe.
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=FksUAAAAEBAJ&dq=backward+gliding+rocket

That patent looks like it's probably the one I'm thinking of.  I
didn't remember Peter was involved, though.
George Rachor From: - 06 Jul 2008 01:54 GMT
Yup.. Called the backslider.....

I belive one of Alway brothers actualy has a patent on it....

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>> I observed an interesting and rather scary thing this weekend. A long,
>> skinny (~3" diameter) rocket suffered a recovery harness failure at apogee,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>> I've never seen such a thing, and am really glad it is not a more common
>> occurance.

>There was a boost glider at NARAM a few years ago designed to glide
>like this.
burnnews - 09 Aug 2008 03:03 GMT
I once saw a Mini Mag strip everything at apogee and come in straight down
for a core sample 10' in front of me. I would guess the speed at better than
80mph (maybe more). Quite scary. NOT a glider though so I may be off-post.

> I observed an interesting and rather scary thing this weekend. A long,
> skinny (~3" diameter) rocket suffered a recovery harness failure at apogee,
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>
> Kevin O
Fred Shecter - 09 Aug 2008 04:13 GMT
Long slender boosters that glide are called "backsliders". There have been
R&D papers on them. I have not Googled the tem, but give it a shot.

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>I once saw a Mini Mag strip everything at apogee and come in straight down
> for a core sample 10' in front of me. I would guess the speed at better
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>> Kevin O
Fred Shecter - 09 Aug 2008 04:16 GMT
That was supposed to be 'term'...

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> Long slender boosters that glide are called "backsliders". There have been
> R&D papers on them. I have not Googled the tem, but give it a shot.
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>>> Kevin O
Steve Vernon - 09 Aug 2008 05:11 GMT
http://members.aol.com/petealway/srrg.htm

> That was supposed to be 'term'...
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>>>> Kevin O
 
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