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Technical - 23 Apr 2005 19:27 GMT
Hi All,

Based on the vast exeriences of all ye great knowledged ones, what
flight simulator does everyone recommend?

I'm looking at Realflight and Reflec and a few others. I've read a
number of  reports on Realflisht G3 and Reflex XTR (Both good and bad)
but I'm still stuck on which way to jump.

Anyone offer me any advice.

Declan
Regards

Declan Barry
Matthew Maddock - 23 Apr 2005 20:47 GMT
I've had Reflex XTR and Aerofly Professional Deluxe.

I have heard the Realflight isn't that realistic for r/c flying and
is more 'game like'

I actually swapped my copy of Aerofly PD for Reflex XTR, main reason
being that Reflex is considered better for Heli.  Below are some
of the comments between myself and the guy I swapped it with....

- One the whole though I think that, for me at least, Reflex is a better
learning tool for heli.

- Reflex backgrounds are generally better, the quality of detail on the
planes is about the same, though there is more choice with aerofly,
modifying planes is a lot easier than on reflex, Having no 'No fly zone'
is better in aerofly.

- Generally speaking, Aerofly seems slightly better than Reflex for
aeroplanes, I'll have a look at what additional free aircraft i can find
on the web at the weekend.

- The no fly zone is annoying [Reflex], but not so much of a problem
with the  heli.  You'll find Aerofly much easier to use without the no
fly zone when you are flying planes.  You'll also find Aerofly much
more user friendly to use and setup!!

- Additionally though I would say the the part interaction in Aerofly is
better - where Reflex treats the model as a one-piece object, Aerofly
treats the component parts separately - i.e. on the heli when you drive
it into the ground you can see the undercarriage bend!  and on aero the
wings/wheels etc come off!  Aerofly also treats the scenery better - if
you taxi across grass it bumps the plane, and across tarmac (on the same
scene) it doesn't bump!

Another point - if you intend to use Reflex with a [new] FF7 you will
need to be handy with the soldering iron because the wires need to be
switched over in the connector - not a difficult job, but a necessary
one.

check out www.rc-sim.de for lots of information and downloads, see if
the models you want to fly are on there for the particular sim.  Aerofly
is under 'IPACS'.

Hope that helps,

Matt.

> Hi All,
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Malcolm Fisher - 23 Apr 2005 21:21 GMT
,<Big Snips>

Anyone have any knowledge/experience of FMS - a download available from the
Internet?

Malcolm
Matthew Maddock - 24 Apr 2005 11:29 GMT
Yeah, it's rubbish!

Seriously now - it is ok for learning the controls, but nothing else
really

It isn't particularly realistic, but what can you expect for nothing?!

It is actually better than you might expect for a freebie, but once you
have used the commercial sim's then there is just no comparison.

Matt.

> ,<Big Snips>
>
> Anyone have any knowledge/experience of FMS - a download available from the
> Internet?
>
> Malcolm
Boo - 24 Apr 2005 12:31 GMT
> ,<Big Snips>
>
> Anyone have any knowledge/experience of FMS - a download available from the
> Internet?

Hi Malcolm,

I've used FMS a bit since selling my copy of CSM V10.  Basically it
isn't much good for helis since the flight modelling has none of the
kife-edge stability attributes of the real thing. Also there's little
control interaction and this results in the heli remaining at a fixed
altitude in a most un-heli like way.

I haven't found any of the flight sims I've tried to be any good for
fixed wing - basically the orientation problem caused by not being able
to reference the ground makes them more or less unflyable for me.

Hth,

Boo
DarkVisor - 23 Apr 2005 21:27 GMT
Hi Declan

just a word of warning, im lucky in that i upgraded my PC only last month
but have just bought Realflight G3,

All i can say is that its a good learning tool but make sure your video card
on your pc is the dogs flip flop,

mine is a Radeon 9800 and i have to turn a lot of things off for real flight
to work,

to be honest though, i wouldn't have bought it if i new about the video card
thing as it says on the web site what the minimum spec should be but it's
nowhere near correct

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Technical - 24 Apr 2005 22:34 GMT
Hi DarkVisor..

What are your initial impressions of G3 at the moment?

I have a pentium 4 -  3.06GHz (I have a 3.2GHz processor to hand as
well) with up to 1GB of memory available and I have a 9200 video card
but I can easily upgrade it to a good card.

Declan

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>> Declan Barry

Regards

Declan Barry
Dave - 23 Apr 2005 22:34 GMT
I use FMS and it's not bad, it's not the most aerodynamically accurate
flight sim on the go but the price is right and there are lots of models to
download. I've got a Flair Piper Cub and the model flies pretty much the
same on the sim, same goes for the GWS pico moth. The Hirobo shuttle is
easier to fly on the sim but not greatly so, All in all it's OK to just
build up your reflexes and be reasonably accurate aerodynamically. FMS
doesn't need a mega graphics card or top of the range PC and anyone who can
solder can make the interface. You can't use it with XP without downloading
a driver, however that's another free download. The price makes it worth a
try - save the money for another model :-)
Dave
Matthew Maddock - 24 Apr 2005 11:33 GMT
> solder can make the interface. You can't use it with XP without downloading
> a driver, however that's another free download. The price makes it worth a
> try - save the money for another model :-)

I have run it on XP with no problems at all - and no extra driver.
Which version were you using?  I was using a serial port adapter for
the Tx.

Matt.
Dave - 24 Apr 2005 12:05 GMT
Hi Matt
I am using a parallel interface as my laptop has no serial ports, just usb.
I'm using version 8 alpha FSM with v8 models, and I've used Truflight and
realflight sims also the pre flight demo download. The best aerodynamic sim
was csm v10 but I havn't tried xtr yet, so maybe??
The price of some sims is more than a cheap artf (with real aerodynamics)
and most people just use sims to practice their manouvres, the highest of
accuracy ain't vital for that. I'd rather buy a nice little Saito than a sim
any day, My work colleague Nigel Hawes tries to convert me to electrickery
but four strokes rule! 8-p
Regards Dave

> > solder can make the interface. You can't use it with XP without downloading
> > a driver, however that's another free download. The price makes it worth a
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Matthew Maddock - 24 Apr 2005 12:55 GMT
> I am using a parallel interface as my laptop has no serial ports,
just usb.

I guess that's why - the different interfaces.

> The price of some sims is more than a cheap artf (with real aerodynamics)
> and most people just use sims to practice their manouvres, the highest of
> accuracy ain't vital for that. I'd rather buy a nice little Saito
than a sim
> any day,

I felt the same way about sims (at the time I only had been playing
with FMS) - I said to my friend "Why bother at that price, I can buy
a new model!" but now I've been using Reflex/AFPD I am totally
converted!

With a model you have 10-15 mins flight time, refuel / recharge then
another 10-15 mins flight.  You generally get 2/3 flights max a day.
All, of course, totally weather dependent.

On the sim I can fly for hours at a time, getting as much uninterrupted
practice as I need, at any time of the day, in any weather - all in the
comfort of my home!

Turn the wind effects up to maximum and try to keep flying - that's a
real challenge, and it really does help in real life situations -
learning to keep control in the worst conditions make flying in low
wind conditions seem easy!

They are not a total substitute for real stick time, but they really do
help a huge amount.  My heli flying has come on leaps and bounds because
of the time I have spent practicing on the sim, and it has cost me a
fraction of the price of replacing parts on the heli from a crash!!

Matt
Malcolm Fisher - 24 Apr 2005 20:25 GMT
> > I am using a parallel interface as my laptop has no serial ports,
> just usb.
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> than a sim
>  > any day,

I've no shaortge of airframes or power plants, but fancy the idea of a sim
as something to play with when I can't get to the field.

> I felt the same way about sims (at the time I only had been playing
> with FMS) - I said to my friend "Why bother at that price, I can buy
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> another 10-15 mins flight.  You generally get 2/3 flights max a day.
> All, of course, totally weather dependent.

Yes, Weather is a consideration, but only 2/3 flights a session? I don't
feel as though I've been out unless I reach at least double figures of
flights, but then, I usually take at least four models each with their own
R/C system.

> On the sim I can fly for hours at a time, getting as much uninterrupted
> practice as I need, at any time of the day, in any weather - all in the
> comfort of my home!

That's one of the attractions for me.

> Turn the wind effects up to maximum and try to keep flying - that's a
> real challenge, and it really does help in real life situations -
> learning to keep control in the worst conditions make flying in low
> wind conditions seem easy!

To date, I've only done that for real, when a 40 size model can barely make
headway against the wind. In those conditions, you never go beyond the
downwind field boundary. Risky, but better than not flying at all and you
have to have the right model and be totally familiar with it.

> They are not a total substitute for real stick time, but they really do
> help a huge amount.  My heli flying has come on leaps and bounds because
> of the time I have spent practicing on the sim, and it has cost me a
> fraction of the price of replacing parts on the heli from a crash!!

Another bonus. Although I have no aspirations to have a chopper (too tight a
Tyke), I wouldn't mind playing with one on a sim.

Malcolm
Clive Matthews - 29 Apr 2005 00:23 GMT
For aircraft only, RC Plane Master is fairly good, certainly much better
than FMS. A working demo can be downloaded here http://www.realitycraft.com/
. Full version is a bargain at £20 and more than worth the money. It works
fine with a parallel interface on my OS (ME).
CM
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> Declan Barry
 
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