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Forming Charge For Small Battery Packs

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Eamon - 20 Jul 2006 15:05 GMT
I've got some 6 Cell, NiCd battery packs of 270 mAh & 400 mAh capacities
that I need to charge for the first time.  There are different schools of
thought on whether or not modern NiCd cells still need to be conditioned
with a forming charge, but I do it just because it can't hurt.  For the
smaller pack, C/10 gives a forming charge rate of 0.0270 A (say 0.03 A), but
my charger goes down to only 0.1 A.  I've checked a few hobby shops'
websites for dedicated slow chargers, but nothing seems available, at least
not in the UK, and I don't really want to adapt my Tx/Rx wall chargers to do
the job because I just don't trust them to work adequately with a 6-cell
pack.

I guessed that I wasn't the first person to run into this, so I checked RCU,
etc, but I didn't find anything really useful in the old postings.  So...
how would others do the forming charge for these small packs?

On the other hand, is the C/10 rule of thumb still valid for such low
capacities?  0.03 A is a pretty low current!

Eamon
Dave :^) - 20 Jul 2006 16:28 GMT
You could always build a simple constant current charger if you can handle a
soldering iron, there are lots of circuits out there. The circuit I use has
1 transistor 2 diodes and 2 resistors total.
Dave :^)

> I've got some 6 Cell, NiCd battery packs of 270 mAh & 400 mAh capacities
> that I need to charge for the first time.  There are different schools of
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> Eamon
Greg - 20 Jul 2006 21:24 GMT
I use a bench power supply, one of the 'proper' type with a current limit
knob as well as a voltage knob and a pair of meters to show you the voltage
and current, this is ideal for slow charging batteries. They can be had on
Ebay if you keep an eye out, here's the sort of thing I'm talking about
280008720810 in fact I have the same model but bought second hand.

Greg

> I've got some 6 Cell, NiCd battery packs of 270 mAh & 400 mAh capacities
> that I need to charge for the first time.  There are different schools of
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> Eamon
Eamon - 25 Jul 2006 22:29 GMT
Cheers both for the advice.  I'm hoping that a cheap bench power supply
comes up on ebay.  In the meantime, I'll make myself a const current
charger.  I'm absolutely not an electronics wiz, but that should be just
about do-able by me.  Hopefully!

Thanks again,

Eamon

>I use a bench power supply, one of the 'proper' type with a current limit
> knob as well as a voltage knob and a pair of meters to show you the
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>> Eamon
Dave Lane - 26 Jul 2006 12:51 GMT
> Cheers both for the advice.  I'm hoping that a cheap bench power supply
> comes up on ebay.  In the meantime, I'll make myself a const current
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>>> my charger goes down to only 0.1 A.  I've checked a few hobby shops'
>>> websites for dedicated slow chargers, but nothing seems available,

  FWIW - I have a number of 300mAh NiMh packs that I use in small
models, and yes, finding a charger that will go down to 30mA or so is
tricky.  (I prefer to slow charge these) The solution that I found has
worked out fine for me -
From the local market, or Maplin etc, you can buy an unregulated psu,
normally used for toys.  They are switchable for providing different
voltages, and cost about £3.  Wire one of these up to your battery, and
try different value resistors in series with the battery pack until you
get the right charging current of about 30mA.  I can't remember offhand
what value I used - but with one of these cheapo psu's, I can slow
charge 3 of my 300mAh NiMh packs (8 cells) at 30mA overnight.
This url shows the psu that I mean:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=97200&criteria=unreg%20psu&doy=26m7

 hth,

cheers

Dave
John Smith - 28 Aug 2006 07:19 GMT
> I've got some 6 Cell, NiCd battery packs of 270 mAh & 400 mAh capacities
> that I need to charge for the first time.  There are different schools of
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> the job because I just don't trust them to work adequately with a 6-cell
> pack.

If you have a normal bench power supply unit, those that deliver 0-15v, or
even if you have an old CB-type 12v "power pack", then use that, but put a
simple bicycle lamp in series with it.

You didn't give the battery voltage, but let us assume it is 7.2V. If you
had a 13.8V CB power pack, then you need to drop 13.8-7.2=6.6v It just
happens that a 2W 6V bicycle lamp passes 300mA. So put the lamp in series
with the battery.

If the battery is totally DEAD, then use two lamps in series until the
battery voltage rises to a safe level, then short out one lamp.

During a normal charge, the battery voltage varies by, say, 1V (and that's a
LOT) then the voltage across the lamp will fall from 6.6V to 5.6V, which is
still only a small variation in the current. In effect you have a constant
current charger, without any diodes, resistors, Veroboard, transistors or
integrated-circuit regulators. Just a simple bicycle lamp, and you get a
free charge indicator.

You can also charge from your car battery - that is also 12V. 300mA
overnight (12 hours) will take less than 4AH from the battery, and a healthy
car battery should normally have a capacity of 10 times this :-)

So if you do intend to BUY anything, buy a pair of bicycle lamps. They
should cost you about 50p, at the most.

Charge faster by all means, but stick to the C/10 rule whenever possible. It
is much kinder to all batteries.
 
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