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Mixing RC channel signals.

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john.stewart5@talk21.com - 04 Feb 2007 12:55 GMT
I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
with
the direction of travel.

I've got a V-tail mixer on order but I think this just averages the
two
channels together so that 0% + 0% = 0% and 100% + 100%=100%. I'm
going
to have a play as it has several "reversing" options but I'm dubious
as
to whether it will meed my needs.

What I need is to difference the two channels, so that when they are
the at the same level, the head is looking straight ahead and when
there is a difference, the head moves left or right in proportion to
this differnce.

Does anyone know of a device on the market which does what I need ?

Thanks in advance.

John.
Gavin - 04 Feb 2007 19:48 GMT
>I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
>with
>the direction of travel.

you don't say what radion you have but can't you just mix the turn
channel to a spare channel and do it that way?

failing that you need a straight through Y lead,  Has to be straight,
not the usual type of Y that inverts one channel

>I've got a V-tail mixer on order but I think this just averages the
>two
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>
>John.
john.stewart5@talk21.com - 04 Feb 2007 20:53 GMT
> you don't say what radion you have but can't you just mix the turn
> channel to a spare channel and do it that way?

It's a Futaba 6EXA. I haven't investigated that as an option, so it
sounds a likely solution. It would mean I lose another channel, which
seems a shame as both the track channels are already being transmitted
to the tank. If I could utilise a system using the signals already
received it would save me a channel.

> failing that you need a straight through Y lead,  Has to be straight,
> not the usual type of Y that inverts one channel

Y leads seem to be designed to take one signal and split it into
opposing signals. Can they be used the other way round to put two into
one ?

John.
Malcolm Fisher - 04 Feb 2007 21:37 GMT
>> you don't say what radion you have but can't you just mix the turn
>> channel to a spare channel and do it that way?
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>
> John.

Y leads are used when there are two servos driving each side of an elevator
on some large models. As these have to move in the same sense, one of this
type should allow you to achieve your object of making a head move in the
same direction as the turn.

It might also be possible to make a mechanical link from the servo to do the
turning of the head that you want.

Another possible solution would be to see if the servo can be mounted
directly beneath the head and attach the head to the servo disk/arm.

Malcolm

Malcolm
The Natural Philosopher - 05 Feb 2007 01:35 GMT
>> you don't say what radion you have but can't you just mix the turn
>> channel to a spare channel and do it that way?
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> opposing signals. Can they be used the other way round to put two into
> one ?

Y leads do nothing to the signal at all.

Opposite sense on e.g.ailerons is done by flipping a servo over.

You can get servo reversers..but they are not commonly put into Y
splitter leads.

I suspect an elevon mixer MAY actually do what you want..

> John.
The Natural Philosopher - 05 Feb 2007 01:33 GMT
>> I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
>> with
>> the direction of travel.

> failing that you need a straight through Y lead,  Has to be straight,
> not the usual type of Y that inverts one channel

Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Gavin - 05 Feb 2007 08:02 GMT
>>> I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
>>> with
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>
>Can I have some of what you are smoking?

Ok so it wasn't that descriptive, but you get Y leads that are not Y
leads in the conventional sense, they just split the signal 1 to 2.

Splitter leads may have been a better term rather than Y leads
The Natural Philosopher - 05 Feb 2007 11:33 GMT
>>>> I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
>>>> with
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>
> Splitter leads may have been a better term rather than Y leads

I didn't think you could get any OTHER sort.

Servo reversing requires electronics.

A splitter or Y *lead*, implies just wires. You cant get two servos to
move in opposite directions with just wires.
Malcolm Fisher - 05 Feb 2007 19:33 GMT
>>>>> I'm looking into a project to make a tank drivers head move in sync
>>>>> with
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> A splitter or Y *lead*, implies just wires. You cant get two servos to
> move in opposite directions with just wires.

Definitely as there's only one signal wire and reversing polarity is not a
good idea for the servo...

Malcolm
 
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