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Can anyone tell me what this set-up is for an a myford I have just aquired ?

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Ikie Cabolacov - 24 Nov 2006 09:33 GMT
I can't find this in any books I have myself.
anyone any ideas ?

http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398

Ikie
Mark Rand - 24 Nov 2006 10:26 GMT
>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>anyone any ideas ?
>
>http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>
>Ikie

Don't know if the rack operated tailstock is original or home-made. The rest
of it looks like an home made power cross-feed and taper turning attachment.
Looks quite nicely done.

Mark Rand
RTFM
John Stevenson - 24 Nov 2006 12:45 GMT
>>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>>anyone any ideas ?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Mark Rand
>RTFM

The rack operated tailstock looks like the Cowell attachment offered a
few years ago, can't comment on the other attachment but not sure that
it is a power feed as the spindle looks to be solely to provide power
to the attachment and not hold a chuck or other work holding device
--
Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Ikie Cabolacov - 24 Nov 2006 17:21 GMT
>>>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>>>anyone any ideas ?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>it is a power feed as the spindle looks to be solely to provide power
>to the attachment and not hold a chuck or other work holding device

That's what I thought .My father in law has been model engineering in
a fanatical way for 45 years and he has never come across this before.
He has a meeting with his model engineering club in a fortnight and is
going to take the photo with him.
The lathe previously belonged to a Doctor and seems to be an original
tri-lever in every way but for this attachment.
Ikie
Wayne Weedon - 24 Nov 2006 17:27 GMT
> That's what I thought .My father in law has been model engineering in
> a fanatical way for 45 years and he has never come across this before.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> tri-lever in every way but for this attachment.
> Ikie

Might be some sort of engine turning device, but I'm not really that
familiar with those specialised machines.

Intriguing though.

Wayne...
Ikie Cabolacov - 24 Nov 2006 17:27 GMT
>>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>>anyone any ideas ?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Mark Rand
>RTFM

Hi Mark The tail stock is an original from Myford 'Quite rare'
according to my father in law.
It's the rest that is puzzling us.
when you run it, the silver disk on the cross slide spins at a scary
speed. ;o)
Ikie
Peter Harrison - 24 Nov 2006 20:01 GMT
> I can't find this in any books I have myself.
> anyone any ideas ?
>
> http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>
> Ikie

The part that is built in to the back end of the cross-slide.. Does it
move the cross-slide when it turns? If so in what manner?

Does the top of that part have any features about it that look as if
tooling would mount on it? Perhaps a rotating cutter?

Am I correct in thinking that the rear shaft is keyed so that the saddle
is still free to run up and down the lathe bed?

Since a changewheel banjo is connected to the motor end of the shaft,
can we assume that the shaft turns at a rate determined by the
changewheels and the lathe spindle?

Does it look like it is intended that different changewheel combinatins
are intended to be used  to allow different ratios between the lathe
spindle and the rear shaft.

Any chance of close up pictures of the bit at the back of the cross-slide?

Pete
ravensworth2674 - 24 Nov 2006 20:21 GMT
John S appears correct in assuming Cowells made the tailstock.Ian
Bradley's The Drilling Machine contains  photographs but his is shown
drilling using an electric motor.
The cut away drawings are also shown for the modification.

Ian Bradley and his side kick Dr Norman F Hallows wrote as Duplex in ME
and other books.
Newcomers to the Myford might add Thomas, Cleeve, Tubal Cain, Sparey
and Radford among the producers of books but there is still a growing
number of articles despite the lathes being superceded.

Norman
Ikie Cabolacov - 25 Nov 2006 00:36 GMT
>> I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>> anyone any ideas ?
>>
>> http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>>
>> Ikie

>Thanks Pete

>The part that is built in to the back end of the cross-slide.. Does it
>move the cross-slide when it turns? If so in what manner?

No The silver disk just spins freely.The cross slide does not appear
to be affected.

>Does the top of that part have any features about it that look as if
>tooling would mount on it? Perhaps a rotating cutter?

It just appears to be a flat disc with the marking: 050.

>Am I correct in thinking that the rear shaft is keyed so that the saddle
>is still free to run up and down the lathe bed?

Yes the saddle moves freely up and down the bed.While the disk
continues to spin.

>Since a changewheel banjo is connected to the motor end of the shaft,
>can we assume that the shaft turns at a rate determined by the
>changewheels and the lathe spindle?

Yes it does affect the speed by changing the gearing.But only from
fast to dizzy ;o)

>Does it look like it is intended that different changewheel combinatins
>are intended to be used  to allow different ratios between the lathe
>spindle and the rear shaft.

Yes the drive gear can freely be moved and clamped in the desired
position.To what appears to be a fixed shaft gear.

>Any chance of close up pictures of the bit at the back of the cross-slide?

I'll get some in the morning Pete and give you the link.

>Pete

Thanks for your time much appreciated.
Ikie
Ikie Cabolacov - 26 Nov 2006 23:17 GMT
>>> I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>>> anyone any ideas ?
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
>Thanks for your time much appreciated.
>Ikie

Hi again Pete.
I am waiting for the return of my camera from my sister.
I will post new pics when the unreliable moo returns it.
Ikie
pgp001 - 24 Nov 2006 20:21 GMT
Stick some sort of cutter in the rotating part at the back of the cros
slide, and a chair leg between centres, you should be able to do a bi
of spiral fluting with that set-up.

The tailstock is standard Myford ML7, but fitted with the extremel
well made capstan wheel attachment made by Cowells, they do come up o
ebay from time to time (which is where I got mine from), but b
prepared to shell out a few quid.
I have mine set up on a spare ML7 tailstock to fit on the S7 when usin
a coventry die head for making studs etc, much easier than trying t
push the tailstock along the bed, its 3" travel is just about right.

Phi

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pgp00
John Stevenson - 25 Nov 2006 00:12 GMT
>The tailstock is standard Myford ML7, but fitted with the extremely
>well made capstan wheel attachment made by Cowells, they do come up on
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Phil

I had the Myford lever one fitted to my ML7 when I operated it.
I found it handy for such as Phil says and drilling fine holes, you
get more feel.
It was that useful I never even considered fitting the handwheel back.

It subsequently got further modified by fitting a duplicate set of
stop start buttons on the end of the lever so it was possible to work
it one hand on the tailstock and one on the lever collet chuck.

Later mod was a motor driven tailstock spindle to get the revs up on
small holes.
Tony Jeffree described the addition in MEW as he now owns my old ML7.
--
Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Ikie Cabolacov - 25 Nov 2006 00:40 GMT
>Stick some sort of cutter in the rotating part at the back of the cross
>slide, and a chair leg between centres, you should be able to do a bit
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Phil

Hi Phil
You could be on the right lines with that one because when I got the
lathe home there did seem to be a coating of fine sawdust over the
saddle and bed recess.
Ikie
Russell - 24 Nov 2006 21:50 GMT
Could you mount work on the top and use it to hob gear wheels using a
cutter in the lathe - the gearing would then determine the number of
teeth.

Russell



> I can't find this in any books I have myself.
> anyone any ideas ?
>
> http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>
> Ikie
malbenbut - 26 Nov 2006 12:13 GMT
Looks like a relieving devuice with the cam and follower missing.
MB

--
malbenbu
Myford Matt - 27 Nov 2006 03:13 GMT
Ravensworth2674 said:

'... there is still a growing number of articles despite the lathe
being superceded.'

By what? :-)

M

--
Myford Mat
Ikie Cabolacov - 27 Nov 2006 08:44 GMT
>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>anyone any ideas ?
>
>http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>
>Ikie

I have uploaded 2 photo's of the strange gizmo if anyone is still
interested in trying to help.
http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398

Ikie
Tom - 27 Nov 2006 09:58 GMT
> >I can't find this in any books I have myself.
> >anyone any ideas ?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Ikie

Has the look of a relieving attachment to me.

Tom

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Peter Neill - 27 Nov 2006 15:48 GMT
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:33:54 GMT, Ikie Cabolacov <cheese@onion.co.uk>
> I have uploaded 2 photo's of the strange gizmo if anyone is still
> interested in trying to help.
> http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>
> Ikie

Whats the ratio between the driver/driven gears? I did wonder if it was
some sort or arrangement for producing scalloped polygon turning, but
the problem with that is there doesn't seem to be anywhere to hold and
drive the material at the headstock end.

In which case it must be used only for something that can be mounted on
the boring table and wound into (a cutter) on the disc, and the cutout
in the boring table would provide a positive depth stop. Of course if
material was held somehow stationary between a couple of centres, then
I suppose it would be able to cut long keyways on a shaft as well. All
sounds like it would be spinning way too fast though.

You said the lathe was full of sawdust/wood shavings? Perhaps it was a
cutter for rebating home made biscuit jointers. I must admit to being
highly curious - can't the previous owner tell you what it is?

Peter
Ikie Cabolacov - 27 Nov 2006 18:07 GMT
>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:33:54 GMT, Ikie Cabolacov <cheese@onion.co.uk>
>> I have uploaded 2 photo's of the strange gizmo if anyone is still
>> interested in trying to help.
>> http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398
>>
>> Ikie
Thanks Peter
>Whats the ratio between the driver/driven gears? I did wonder if it was
>some sort or arrangement for producing scalloped polygon turning, but
>the problem with that is there doesn't seem to be anywhere to hold and
>drive the material at the headstock end.
As an approximate calculation it spins at about 25/1 of the head
stock.
I suspect it is for wood because of the speed even on the lowest gear
it spins like a router.
>In which case it must be used only for something that can be mounted on
>the boring table and wound into (a cutter) on the disc, and the cutout
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>cutter for rebating home made biscuit jointers. I must admit to being
>highly curious - can't the previous owner tell you what it is?

I wish he could but alas he died hence I ended up with it.
The poor bloke obviously loved the machine because he kept it in a
bedroom.
His garage,Kitchen,shed and bedroom were full of old model engineering
stuff.It was like Christmas.
I just hope to do his machine justice. ;o)

Ikie
Ikie Cabolacov - 20 Dec 2006 19:38 GMT
>I can't find this in any books I have myself.
>anyone any ideas ?
>
>http://www.byphotos.com/album/4474398

Just to update people who may be interested on my strange gizmo.
It appears to have been supplied by these people:
http://www.tsji.co.uk/products.htm

Manufactured by Browning.Maysville.ky

That's as far as I've got.I'm hoping to pay them a visit in the near
future. ;o)
Ikie
 
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