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Austin Shackles - 19 Dec 2006 18:58 GMT
*someone* must supply these without involving me in a 40-mile or more
journey.

MEM make 'em among others.  looking for an enclosed changeover switch, rated
at about 30A 250VAC, must be double pole and ideally with an "off" in the
middle.

I can find various such on different websites, but none that appear to want
to sell me one direct.

anyone got any idea?

or, anyone living adjacent to an industrial switchgear supplier can get me
one and post it, for a suitable contribution to the beer fund?

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mark@ems-fife.co.uk - 20 Dec 2006 11:58 GMT
> *someone* must supply these without involving me in a 40-mile or more
> journey.
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>
> anyone got any idea?

Don`t know what you want to change over to.Do you want to switch a
single phase supply two ways with an off position or do you want to
change polarity of a single phase supply possibly for reversing the
start windings of a single phase motor.
If it`s one of the above and you want to do it manually look at Kraus &
Naimer.
If it`s neither of the above and you are actually looking for a
reversing contactor set with coils to operate the contacts then be
prepared to spend money.Or look on Ebay for a reversing contactor pair
with 240 volt coils.They are usually cheap enough (on ebay) but you
would probably have to supply an enclosure.
Mark.
Austin Shackles - 20 Dec 2006 18:09 GMT
>> *someone* must supply these without involving me in a 40-mile or more
>> journey.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>If it`s one of the above and you want to do it manually look at Kraus &
>Naimer.

allow running a single phase motor forwards or backwards.  The current motor
is the kind that you can reverse by swapping links around on the terminal
block and it's wired through a pair of SPDT switches which are pretending to
be a DPDT so it can be reversed by switching it rather than crawling around
behind the machine.  However, that motor is due for replacement soon with a
more convincingly powerful one and the current switches won't have enough
capacity for the bigger motor.

However, the same general principle will, I assume, work on the motor which
is to replace it which will hopefully be more powerful and also have better
starting torque.  The existing motor is just plain wrong for the machine,
not enough starting torque and not enough power.

>If it`s neither of the above and you are actually looking for a
>reversing contactor set with coils to operate the contacts then be
>prepared to spend money.Or look on Ebay for a reversing contactor pair
>with 240 volt coils.They are usually cheap enough (on ebay) but you
>would probably have to supply an enclosure.
>Mark.
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Peter A Forbes - 20 Dec 2006 18:40 GMT
>allow running a single phase motor forwards or backwards.  The current motor
>is the kind that you can reverse by swapping links around on the terminal
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>starting torque.  The existing motor is just plain wrong for the machine,
>not enough starting torque and not enough power.

Sounds like a standard Moeller T-series would do the job. I'll look at the RS
catalogue and see which ones they carry.

Did I see any current/HP  ratings?

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Austin Shackles - 20 Dec 2006 22:53 GMT
>>allow running a single phase motor forwards or backwards.  The current motor
>>is the kind that you can reverse by swapping links around on the terminal
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Did I see any current/HP  ratings?

the replacement motor will not be more than 3HP, so running load should be
around 10A, but starting current of course is higher.  I reckon a 25A or 32A
switch will cover it.

The contactor has an adjustable overload between 9A and 14A.  If I go for a
2HP motor (which I might, with a high-start-torque one it should be
sufficient) then that will cope I reckon.  It might not handle starting load
on a 3HP one.

If you have an account at RS and can hunt a suitable switch (they seem to
tend to be marked I-O-II or such) then I'll be suitably grateful
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mark@ems-fife.co.uk - 20 Dec 2006 21:14 GMT
> allow running a single phase motor forwards or backwards.  The current motor
> is the kind that you can reverse by swapping links around on the terminal
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> more convincingly powerful one and the current switches won't have enough
> capacity for the bigger motor.

It might be prudent to fit a contactor and overload for protection and
wire the reversing switch after the contactor.
Mark.
Austin Shackles - 20 Dec 2006 22:49 GMT
>> allow running a single phase motor forwards or backwards.  The current motor
>> is the kind that you can reverse by swapping links around on the terminal
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>It might be prudent to fit a contactor and overload for protection and
>wire the reversing switch after the contactor.

I've got the contactor to start the motor, and yes it has overload
protection.  Whether it'll run the bigger motor I plan on getting time will
tell :-)

and yes, the current setup runs from the contactor to the reversing switches
and thence to the motor.
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