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Model Forum / General / Models / July 2007Tool Grinder import from the USA
Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the USA (Grizzly Tools - 22/7/07), I replied with a few, hopefully useful, observations Sine then, I have been pondering a bit, and had a look at the item again (see link) http://www.grizzly.com/products/H7762 I think that it looked quite a reasonable piece of kit for the money, but suspected that the $ price would not 'convert' to a similar UK price if 'we' or anyone else were to consider importing directly to the UK from whatever asian country produces them. I bet, it would end up considerably more expensive in real terms. What are the issues about building such a unit from parts relatively easily available in the UK? Double-ended grinders are available from a multitude of sources at quite modest prices. The swivelly-table thingies must also be available somewhere, and grinding wheels - loads of suppliers? Does anyone actually know what the proper name is for that type of wheel (just to make searching easier), they aren't 'cup' wheels but more of a side-face cutting type, and do they just need a standard nut on a 12mm thread etc or special supports? - Like to know if anyone can help. I just thought with a bit of ingenuity, this could be made up as the 'poor - mans' version of the Worden tool grinder (obviusly accepting its limitation in accuracy etc). Any thoughts anyone? - my technical knowledge on grinding wheels is pretty dire, so all input gratefully received All the best Mike Can you guys buy from Harborfeight in the US See: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=46727 Simon > Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the > USA (Grizzly Tools - 22/7/07), I replied with a few, hopefully useful, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > All the best > Mike > Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the > USA (Grizzly Tools - 22/7/07), I replied with a few, hopefully useful, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > All the best > Mike when you consider the yank price of about ?70 ..... and if one was available here for that price ...it seems hardly worth while going to the trouble of converting another grinder ... the wheels will be specialist and mega expensive .. the materials ..the time etc ...look at it that way .......and at the end you would of wished you had waited-out for it to come to the uk . there are similar second hand ones on ebay ..british made ...but they are mega heavy and large and three phase ...and cant be put on a spare bench top like these grizzley ones. all the best.mark > > Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the > > USA (Grizzly Tools - 22/7/07), I replied with a few, hopefully useful, [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yes, I did wonder about the cost of the wheels.. And it is true that the low cost of off-the-shelf things like this is so low comparatively to gettting the 'bits' yourself its not always worth the trouble. It boils down to whether or not you can get your hands on the ready made unit you want in the first place! Directly imported, I bet it wouldn't come into the UK at ?70, more like ?270 I bet (I've never quite understood that, who makes all this extra profit by simply putting in a container bound for the UK instead of the US?) Ah well, back to to 'sharpening' some drills with my wibbly-wobbly 'Draper' ?12.00 jig. Mike > Yes, I did wonder about the cost of the wheels.. And it is true that > the low cost of off-the-shelf things like this is so low comparatively [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 'Draper' £12.00 jig. > Mike If you have any old drills beyond repair, it's well worth while teaching yourself to sharpen drills by hand. It's not really that difficult - the main trick being to rotate the tip against the wheel, maintaining the trailing clearance, then hold up to the light and rotate to check for evenness at both sides. Repeat until correct. Not quite so accurate as a machine, but most people use two drills to get an accurate final size anyway, so a few thou unbalance isn't usually that important... Chris >Directly imported, I bet it wouldn't >come into the UK at £70, more like £270 I bet (I've never quite >understood that, who makes all this extra profit by simply putting in >a container bound for the UK instead of the US?) I heard some where once that a huge amount of chinese exports to europe actually land on the US west coast, get transported across the US and then shipped to you from our East Coast. Wes >>Directly imported, I bet it wouldn't >>come into the UK at £70, more like £270 I bet (I've never quite [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Wes Highly unlikely due to import tariffs. US to UK is 15% China to UK is 3% Don't know what China to US is but say 3% the same then it costs 18% against 3% to come direct. >Highly unlikely due to import tariffs. >US to UK is 15% >China to UK is 3% Are you overflowing with chinese stuff yet? We in the States sure are. Wes >Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the FWIW ~ there's a very good website in the US where the guy has excellent quality pics of various small scale engineering operations. He describes a toolpost grinder and the mods he's made. it's not from Grizzly but it may be of the same parentage. Elsewhere on his site, he's somewhat scathing of the quality of Grizzly products. http://www.finelinehair.com/home/tool_post_grinder.htm >Following Bob Minchin's topic about importing a tool grinder from the >USA (Grizzly Tools - 22/7/07), I replied with a few, hopefully useful, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >All the best >Mike Years ago I built a few of these from single phase 1/4 horse 2,800 rev fan motors. Fitted a bolt on flange so it could clamp a wheel so no worries about it unscrewing, fitted a dished wheel of whatever grade and made a simple tilting table from a bit of alloy and two bits of dexion. Sounds crude but they did work and do a decent job at the time, remember there were no cheap imports about. Photo of the last one in captivity. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevenson.engineers/lsteve/files/face_grinder.jpg If anybody want this one £25 will part it from my hot sticky grubby hands. At John's price, this has to be appreciated as the whole caboodle is less than a motor! I went down a different track. OK I had a Quorn and a Kennet but when a Clarkson Mark1 came up on Flea Day for just over ?100 I went down and bought it. Fine, it didn't have all the bells and whatnots but holders can be made of wood until something better arrives. Mine had a 2880 rpm single phase and apart from adding safe wheels was running in minutes thereafter. Eventually, I got more tooling and a magnetic chuck and my Quorn and Kennet are sort of gathering grit. Was this a lucky one off? It would seem not as there seems to be more now. This makes mockery of the US stuff at whatever price. |
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