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Peter Fairbrother - 19 Aug 2008 11:08 GMT
I recently did some shopping at www.technobots.co.uk - ordered a lot of
mixed small parts on Sunday, got an email Monday telling me that it had
been packed, arrived today, Tuesday, with every part and exactly as
ordered. Just a quick recommendation.

If anyone is looking for a CNC X3 mill, this one is (now) 1/3 of the
arceurotrade price (but you'll have to pay duty and VAT, and service
might be a problem):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIB-Sieg-Seig-KX3-CNC-milling-machine-QCTP-X3-X2-lathe_W0Q
QitemZ310076222153QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item310076222153&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177


-- Peter Fairbrother
NoSpam - 19 Aug 2008 14:11 GMT
> I recently did some shopping at www.technobots.co.uk - ordered a lot of
> mixed small parts on Sunday, got an email Monday telling me that it had
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>
> -- Peter Fairbrother

Interesting - how does this compare with the ArcEuro/JS offering?
Richard Edwards - 19 Aug 2008 14:36 GMT
>> I recently did some shopping at www.technobots.co.uk - ordered a lot of
>> mixed small parts on Sunday, got an email Monday telling me that it had
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>
>Interesting - how does this compare with the ArcEuro/JS offering?
I think that you will find that their's comes with drive electronics
which this one does not!

--

Richard

Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!
John S - 19 Aug 2008 19:22 GMT
> > I recently did some shopping atwww.technobots.co.uk- ordered a lot of
> > mixed small parts on Sunday, got an email Monday telling me that it had
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Interesting - how does this compare with the ArcEuro/JS offering?

I wondered what had happened to them <g>

Rush out and buy them all up, bargain of the century but please note
the following points:-

[1] Note the spindle in the you tube clip, this collet fixing is part
of the spindle and holds a range of 4 collets only,
If your tooling doesn't fit these collets then tough. It does not have
a separate R8 or morse taper.

[2] Note the operation of the air drawbar by a two way valve onto a
40mm or 50mm air cylinder direct onto the top casting.
Not having seen this in person but guessing that because it's so small
a cylinder and so close it can't use the normal method of stacked
Belville washers but relies on the air to pull the collet up.
No air and the tool falls out.

[3] As Richard points out the ad does say no driver box, it actually
means no electronics.
The correct title for this machine is KX3-NU the Nu being the Chinese
designation for nude. These are made for shipping to internal
customers in China for different Chinese controllers to be fitted. The
build includes the ballscrew's, motors, couplings and cables but no
drive electronics or what they purposely?  miss out the auction, no
motor drive board.

Now this motor is a special 1000W 3phase DC brushless motor and
requires a special matching board to suit.
They can be sourced from Sieg and the Chinese motor supplier but
neither Sieg or the supplier will ship out of China for a machine that
should not have shipped out of China in the first place.
So you now have to replace the drive motor which is near impossible to
get a small enough motor to fit where the original one fits.

I know exactly what a NU designation machine consists of as both mine,
KX1 and KX3 were shipped over as NU machines for retro fitting but I
had the support of Sieg.

This is no sour grapes post as I am not affected by any UK sales.
I get paid by the Chinese for development and for support. Support BTW
that is based on a tightly regulated issue of serial numbers and owner
numbers. If it doesn't appear on my list then sod off..............

Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
fight his own battles <g>
Peter Fairbrother - 19 Aug 2008 23:31 GMT
>>> I recently did some shopping atwww.technobots.co.uk- ordered a lot of
>>> mixed small parts on Sunday, got an email Monday telling me that it had
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> Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
> fight his own battles <g>

Aha! We live and learn.

Good to know someone here knows what he's talking about, as it seems I
don't.

-- Peter Fairbrother
Ketan Swali - 20 Aug 2008 09:37 GMT
> > Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
> > fight his own battles <g>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

"YES" !!
Peter Fairbrother - 20 Aug 2008 16:48 GMT
>>> Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
>>> fight his own battles <g>
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>
> "YES" !!

 Ouch!

Talking of things Sieg of which I don't know much, has anyone seen/used
a C4 lathe? Any good?

Ketan, any plans to sell them?

-- Peter
Ketan Swali - 21 Aug 2008 15:17 GMT
> >>> Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
> >>> fight his own battles <g>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> -- Peter

It had problems in the early days with the motor/board combination. To
the best of my knowledge, these have been fixed. Axminster and Chester
sell them. Regardless of what is said, it is a metric machine with
metric leadscrew. No tumbler reverse. The gear which turns it into an
imperial is open to question. The physical weight is good, overall.
After considering John Stevensons comments on this machine, ARC has
thus far decided it is better for Axminster and Chester to continue
selling them.
Peter Harrison - 21 Aug 2008 19:45 GMT
>>>>> Ketan at 5' 2" [ which is very tall for a dwarf ] is big enough to
>>>>> fight his own battles <g>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> thus far decided it is better for Axminster and Chester to continue
> selling them.

Over to you then John...
John S - 21 Aug 2008 19:51 GMT
> >> Ketan, any plans to sell them?
>
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>
> Over to you then John...

Wot ?????????????
Peter Harrison - 22 Aug 2008 00:22 GMT
>>>> Ketan, any plans to sell them?
>>>> -- Peter
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>
> Wot ?????????????

Any thoughts on the C4 that you might care to share.
John S - 22 Aug 2008 00:31 GMT
> >>>> Ketan, any plans to sell them?
> >>>> -- Peter
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>
> Any thoughts on the C4 that you might care to share.

No.
I though Ketan had explained it OK and even pointed out who was
selling them in the Uk.
Peter Fairbrother - 22 Aug 2008 19:59 GMT
>>>>>> Ketan, any plans to sell them?
>>>>>> -- Peter
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> No.

Oooooh. Abrupt!

> I though Ketan had explained it OK and even pointed out who was
> selling them in the Uk.

But we wanted to know more about what *you* thought about the C4. Or is
that just as Ketan said, or can't you say?

For someone who wants a table-top lathe it seems to be the biggest and
perhaps best equipped available at non-Myford prices.

The problems with the imperial conversion wouldn't affect those like me
who work in metric anyway, and the lack of a tumbler reverse - well
that's curious as the C3 has one, but I've never actually used it to cut
a left-hand thread, and if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
it won't often be a problem.

Of course if they don't reverse that would be a real problem - do they?
Over to anyone who has seen and used one ...

-- Peter Fairbrother
John S - 22 Aug 2008 21:55 GMT
> if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
> it won't often be a problem.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -- Peter Fairbrother

To reverse the carriage and cross slide screws you need a tumbler
reverse. That's what they do and this machine doesn't have one.
Ketan did say as much.

John S.
Peter Fairbrother - 22 Aug 2008 22:23 GMT
>> if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
>> it won't often be a problem.
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> To reverse the carriage and cross slide screws you need a tumbler
> reverse.

To reverse the screws, perhaps, but to reverse the motion no - there
could well be gears in the carriage to do that.

Are you saying that you can only face cut under power feed in one
direction?

That would be *highly* objectionable, and if I bought such a lathe I'd
send it back immediately, as not having proper cross slide drive!

Though I have long had doubts about cross slide drives which run on the
leadscrew rather than a seperate shaft.

-- Peter Fairbrother

That's what they do and this machine doesn't have one.
> Ketan did say as much.
>
> John S.
Peter Harrison - 22 Aug 2008 23:53 GMT
>>> if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
>>> it won't often be a problem.
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>
> -- Peter Fairbrother

Here is a post I found in the Chester forums:

http://www.atfreeforum.com/chesteruk/viewtopic.php?t=176&start=21&mforum=chesteruk

Not as convenient as a lever operated tumbler reverse but it will do LH
threading. Correct me if I am wrong but many of the lathes in this class
don't have a tumbler reverse lever but can be persuaded to do LH
threading by arranging the changewheels.

However, the power crossfeed seems a little more hinkey. According to
the review here:

http://www.mini-lathe.com/m4/C4/c4.htm

The power transfer lever allows the leadscrew to either drive the cross
slide along the ways or across them. When set to power the cross feed,
the direction of movement of the slide depends upon the direction of
rotation of the spindle. Thus I guess you would have to put the spindle
in reverse to move the cross slide out.

It seems no lathe has the exact features you want and they are all
compromises. It is perhaps no wonder that, in this size range, the
Myfords are still so popular. They are very versatile. Except, of
course, for this money you have to take a chance on the condition of a
used Myford. That is your compromise.

Peer Harrison
Peter Fairbrother - 23 Aug 2008 00:14 GMT
>>>> if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
>>>> it won't often be a problem.
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> don't have a tumbler reverse lever but can be persuaded to do LH
> threading by arranging the changewheels.

That's fine, as I for one seldom if ever want to cut LH threads and
don't mind a bit of razamagoo when/if I do.

> However, the power crossfeed seems a little more hinkey. According to
> the review here:
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> rotation of the spindle. Thus I guess you would have to put the spindle
> in reverse to move the cross slide out.

Ouch! Could anyone be so stupid as to design a lathe like that? You
can't even turn in both directions?

If this is so then the C4 is well off my list!

> It seems no lathe has the exact features you want and they are all
> compromises. It is perhaps no wonder that, in this size range, the
> Myfords are still so popular. They are very versatile. Except, of
> course, for this money you have to take a chance on the condition of a
> used Myford. That is your compromise.

Maybe a Boxford? Not table-top, but ...

-- Peter
P Riedie - 23 Aug 2008 09:31 GMT
Peter Fairbrother Wrote:

> That's fine, as I for one seldom if ever want to cut LH threads and
> don't mind a bit of razamagoo when/if I do.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> -- Peter

If you spend time to read the mini lathe article you will see that i
has purposely been designed that way so with the spindle disconnecte
and using reverse it has power feed in both directions for the millin
attachment.

I have never understood the fascination for power cross feed on a lath
that only has 3 inches of movement anyway.
When you compare the number of small machines built to the ones wit
power cross feed it must be a very low percent but it's never stoppe
anyone from making parts yet.

It seem only of importance to armchair machinists and nit pickers wh
wouldn't even buy one anyway.

P Riedie

--
P Riedi
Boo - 23 Aug 2008 10:43 GMT
> I have never understood the fascination for power cross feed on a lathe
> that only has 3 inches of movement anyway.

Surface finish ?

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Boo

John S - 23 Aug 2008 17:09 GMT
On 23 Aug, 10:43, Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net>
wrote:
> > I have never understood the fascination for power cross feed on a lathe
> > that only has 3 inches of movement anyway.
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> --
> Boo

Unless it has Constant Surface Speed you won't get a true finish as
the feed rates change with diameter.
However on only 3" if you can't wind steadily enough either take more
water with it or learn to do so.
It's not hard and only requires practice as you go hand over hand, no
jigs and fixtures needed and you get a nice warm feeling afterwards.
Either that you you have pissed yourself................

John S.
Peter Fairbrother - 23 Aug 2008 20:33 GMT
> On 23 Aug, 10:43, Boo <reply_to_group_not_me@spam_me_no_spam.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> John S.

Suppose I want to face 4mm off a 50mm dia surface in something hard.

Remembering that mine is a small lathe and can only take 0.25mm cuts in
the hard stuff, that's 16 cuts. At 1mm per turn each cut will need about
30 turns, 60 if only cutting one way.

That's 960 turns of the handle, and it gets tiresome real quick - damhikt.

As to using the leadscrew to drive a carriage  or cross feed, I just
think it may be too much of a compromise - will the leadscrew still work
properly as a leadscrew? Will the pin or whatever which rotates stick?
will it cause the carriage to move?

I don't know the answer to either question, but I have doubts.

-- Peter Fairbrother
John S - 23 Aug 2008 21:44 GMT
> As to using the leadscrew to drive a carriage  or cross feed, I just
> think it may be too much of a compromise - will the leadscrew still work
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>
> -- Peter Fairbrother

In which case ask Myfords, Boxford, South Bend, Emco and a host more
companies who did and in some cases still do employ this situation of
a combined lead and feed screw.

John S.
Mark Rand - 23 Aug 2008 23:51 GMT
>> As to using the leadscrew to drive a carriage  or cross feed, I just
>> think it may be too much of a compromise - will the leadscrew still work
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>John S.

I would suggest that:-

1) It's a nasty compromise that reduces the size needed for the apron and the
cost of the lathe :-(

2) It results in self cleaning half nuts and keyway :-)

Take your choice.

Mark Rand
RTFM
jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 24 Aug 2008 00:35 GMT
> I would suggest that:-
>
> 1) It's a nasty compromise that reduces the size needed for the apron and the
> cost of the lathe :-(

Not sure I totally agree with your suggestion here Mark, it wasn't
"nasty" enough to stop Schaublin using "the robust, buttress-thread,
4mm pitch leadscrew, for both screwcutting and the sliding feed", and
I don't think many describe them as compromised down to a price - at
least not a price I could afford :-)) To be fair though they didn't
bother with power cross feed at all and the drive system for the
leadscrew was far from simple, so as you say you pay your money and
choose your compromise.

> 2) It results in self cleaning half nuts and keyway :-)
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Helps with the sale of replacement half nuts as well, at least it does
if the lathe is good enough in other ways to last a reasonable amount
of time.

Regards

Keith
jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 24 Aug 2008 01:03 GMT
On 24 Aug, 00:35, jontom_...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > I would suggest that:-
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Keith

Sorry to reply to my own post but on reflection after another glass of
white, I need to clarify my comments which were merely intended as a
"humerous reposte" to Mark's comment.

I don't want anyone thinking that Schaublin actually used anything as
vulgar as a "slotted leadscrew"; although the leadscrew does in fact
do both tasks it is "an exceptionally large (40 mm diameter and 4 mm
pitch), hardened and ground, running in angular-contact bearings and
clasped by long nuts provided with positive oiling" (see Tony's Lathes
page). On the later 125/135 and later machines they do also provide
power cross feed but use a shaft that runs down the back of the
machine driven by bevel gears. They still do though use the leadscrew
to provide both threadding and sliding feed, so that part of my hunour
is correct.

Regards

Keith.
jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 23 Aug 2008 23:16 GMT
On 23 Aug, 20:33, Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6...@zen.co.uk> wrote:.

> Suppose I want to face 4mm off a 50mm dia surface in something hard.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Peter

I have to say that, stopping the machine, reversing the direction of
the feed shaft, re-starting and re-engaging the feed 16 times is also
tiresome. I guess if I was going to do that job very often I would
have to consider if the compromise of using too small a lathe was
worthwhile. Although I have PCF on all my lathes, when facing
something where I want a good surface finish right to the centre, I am
more inclined to feed by hand. I can at least try to vary the feed
rate to match the surface speed. With practice and using the "hand
over hand" method one can produce a very good facing cut. With that in
mind, I agree with an earlier comment that PCF is somewhat overvalued
in small lathes. Lets be honest, it's a hobby (well it is for me) and
if we don't enjoy twiddling hand wheels we possibly need to look at
CNC anyway as we won't need to turn any hand wheels at all then.

This system for providing power feeds is well established, much used
and reliable. I have a couple of PCF Myfords and a Boxford which all
use a single leadscrew to provide power feeds, they all work
faultlessly and have done so for many years. All also work very well
as a "leadscrew" and produce accurate threads if I have taken the
trouble to correctly set up the drive train. Again, these days many
thread accuracy issues are down to compromises in trying to cut as
many imperial and metric threads as possible with a couple of change
gears (smaller are cheaper so 21 rather than 127) or with a simple
limited range gearbox.

In fact, my BH600 which has both a leadscrew and a power feed shaft
does tend to stick sometimes when I try and disengage it. I guess it
is all down to appropriate design and manufacture. In my experience,
the issue with sticking when disengaging feeds is much more prevalent
on feed screws with very fine threads, something which is often used
these days on the smaller, cheaper lathes. Trying to disengage the
feed on my old Naerok 920 when approaching a shoulder at speed was
guaranteed to provide an increased heart rate. I would also point out
that if facing, particularly with a hard material, good practice would
have the saddle locked anyway; supposing the facility is available of
course.

Regards

Keith
Chris Edwards - 24 Aug 2008 11:21 GMT
>I have never understood the fascination for power cross feed on a lathe
>that only has 3 inches of movement anyway.
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>
>P Riedie.

    I can only imagine you're a troll with such a specious comment
--

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Austin Shackles - 24 Aug 2008 13:44 GMT
>>I have never understood the fascination for power cross feed on a lathe
>>that only has 3 inches of movement anyway.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>    I can only imagine you're a troll with such a specious comment

Aye.  I don't often use it, but power crossfeed is dead handy sometimes.
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Allan Waterfall - 24 Aug 2008 15:10 GMT
I've got PCF on my Myford and use it whenever possible.

It's also handy for finishing up to a shoulder,just disengage the lea
screw and pull the PCF knob and the tool faces outwards.

Alla

--
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Chris Edwards - 26 Aug 2008 09:39 GMT
>Peter Fairbrother Wrote:
>>
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>
>P Riedie.

Mr Riedie

    I regret my earlier 'troll' remark, it was undeserved  and I
apologise. I have actually emailed you to say so but it was bounced.

    I really didn't mean it to be quite as abrasive as it actually
appeared, I see you have made a considerable useful contribution to the
mini-lathe debates.

    The UK model engineering group is outstanding in the helpfulness of
the characters who use it, I didn't really mean to introduce a discordant
note and I'm sorry if I might have offended - please accept my apology.
--

Chris Edwards (in deepest Dorset)      "....there *must* be an easier way!"
Peter Fairbrother - 26 Aug 2008 11:04 GMT
>> Peter Fairbrother Wrote:
>>>
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>     I regret my earlier 'troll' remark, it was undeserved  and I
> apologise. I have actually emailed you to say so but it was bounced.

I don't know - I'd rather like to be an armchair machinist, standing up
all day does my back (and feet) in. I do have a swivelly office chair
next to my lathe, but that's not the same.

As for buying another lathe, I am in the market or will be soon - need
more grunt and mass than my minilathe can provide - I now have £550 put
aside and can borrow a bit more from myself, so looking at £750 or so. I
would like PCF though.

Don't need big, can use a borrowed lathe occasionally for big, need
grunt and precision. Don't think I will be buying a C4 however - maybe a
C6 or a used Boxford?

-- Peter Fairbrother (who doesn't have nits either)
Peter Harrison - 26 Aug 2008 23:23 GMT
> I don't know - I'd rather like to be an armchair machinist, standing up
> all day does my back (and feet) in. I do have a swivelly office chair
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -- Peter Fairbrother (who doesn't have nits either)

So what about the Chester DB-8V or Warco WM-240? Both are available for
£700. These appear to be essentially the same lathe. Similar capacity to
the Comet, similar size, can do left hand threads (they say), variable
speed, reversing. The Warco has a slotted cross-slide. Can't be sure
about the Chester model. They also come with accessories that would cost
an extra £100 with a Sieg C6B from Axminster although the C6B has a
slightly bigger capacity. Doubtless both would want some fettling to be
useful.

I too am looking for a lathe in this range and these are what I am
considering at present.  They seem to tick all my boxes. Anyone used
either of these and willing to comment. Better yet, anyone near South
Staffs want to let me have a look at one in action?

Pete Harrison
nit free since 1966
John S - 27 Aug 2008 00:02 GMT
The C6B is a crap lathe.
It does have a tumbler reverse IF you are prepared to remove the drive
pulley to swap gear over at the back.
The variable electronic drive is a waste of time, useable low speed is
around 250 rpm, below that it stalls if you piss on it.

I had one that I fitted a two speed poly vee drive belt system to in
an attempt to make it more useable.
It made it 100% better but 100% of crap is still crap.

There is no substitute for mechanical speed reduction that increases
torque unless like the big boys do and over spec the motor by a factor
of 7 or greater.

John S.
Austin Shackles - 27 Aug 2008 09:43 GMT
>The C6B is a crap lathe.
>It does have a tumbler reverse IF you are prepared to remove the drive
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>torque unless like the big boys do and over spec the motor by a factor
>of 7 or greater.

well, I'd go along with that.  The Student has all gears, and OK, being 1960
it doesn't run all that fast (1200 max) but it does also go down to 54 in
low gear.  It's reasonably capable with a 2HP single-phase motor (original
would have been a 3HP 3-phase), although to be sure I only do light work on
it anyway.

The more I hear about the lower end of the new-machine market, the less I'm
likely to buy one.  OK, my student has had quite a hard life and has some
issues (and some missing parts, like the brake, which would be hard to find
or expensive).  I did actually find out that I can get a new crossfeed screw
and nut, but that would've cost more than the machine did.

All the time there are decent machines like that available second hand,
that's going to be my preference...
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Roland Craven - 27 Aug 2008 10:23 GMT
"Austin Shackles" <austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net> wrote in
message >
> The more I hear about the lower end of the new-machine market, the less
> I'm
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> screw
> and nut, but that would've cost more than the machine did.

As it happens I'm breaking a complete mk2 Student. (an ill-advised buy -
lets not go there!)
The brake looks and seems to work OK. For a few beer tokens I'll remove it
and leave it at IF for you.
Crossfeed shaft and nuts are s*****d though. Contact me on the email below
if interested

regards
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Austin Shackles - 27 Aug 2008 11:48 GMT
>As it happens I'm breaking a complete mk2 Student. (an ill-advised buy -
>lets not go there!)
>The brake looks and seems to work OK. For a few beer tokens I'll remove it
>and leave it at IF for you.
>Crossfeed shaft and nuts are s*****d though. Contact me on the email below
>if interested

you should have mail.
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jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 27 Aug 2008 10:13 GMT
> >> Peter Fairbrother Wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Peter

If you decide that you want to go with a “proper” British built lathe,
I have a good Boxford AUD (power feeds to saddle and cross slide,
thread cutting gearbox, single phase from new, coolant pump)  that I
could be persuaded to part with. If you are not too far from junction
17 of the M4 I might also deliver it (within your stated budget) as
long as access is OK your end. You would need to be fairly quick for
that though as my son goes back to university in a few weeks time and
I wouldn’t do it on my own.

I’m not going to push it at you because from your earlier postings it
might not be right for you and I am not really that bothered about
selling it. If you read some of my earlier posts you will see that
this is not my amateur sales technique it is just how I feel. I bought
it from a fellow member of this group who didn’t use it much and as,
in size (4.5”), it is in between my other lathes it doesn’t get much
use here now either. From your earlier posts these are the reasons I
think it might not be ideal for you, still only you know what is right
I guess.

It is an imperial machine. While in first class mechanical condition
it spent all of its’ working (standing about?) life in the education
system so has the odd chip and mark typical of the breed. It is a long
bed model (30” between centres) so will need a minimum of 56” length
although it only needs to stand out 23” from a wall. The three jaw
chuck is a Burnerd and seems to be in good condition, the 4 jaw is
much older but works as they say. It does not have any steadies with
it but does have a QCTP built to the JS design.

Anyway, enough from me, if you think you might be interested send me
an e-mail and invest an hour or two in popping down the M4 to have a
look. I can send some pictures but would be happier if you came and
had a look at it. I am an hour and twenty minutes from junction 18 of
the M4, a journey I have been doing at least twice a week lately.

For other group members, sorry but at the moment this offer is for
Peter Fairbrother only due to location etc. If he doesn’t want it I
might part with it if you can make the transaction “painless” for me,
otherwise it can stay where it is and I can enjoy using it
occasionally.

Best regards

Keith
Peter Fairbrother - 27 Aug 2008 17:47 GMT
> Peter
>
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> that though as my son goes back to university in a few weeks time and
> I wouldn’t do it on my own.

Sounds pretty good overall, except for being Imperial and perhaps a
little larger than I want, though it will fit nicely.

Access is tricky - up one flight of stairs - but not impossible, and I
could round up a few local chaps to help. Also I have moved lots of
pianos, so am used to moving similar large top-heavy narrow objects.
Could even leave it downstairs if needed. How big are the holes under
the bed?

I'm in Trowbridge, about 20 miles south of J 17 - is that anywhere close?

Thanks,

-- Peter
jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 27 Aug 2008 20:09 GMT
> jontom_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Peter
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>
> -- Peter

OK Peter, got your e-mail but I'm just off out so I will reply
tomorrow with a couple of pictures and some more details. We can then
take it from there if you decide you want to.

Best regards

Keith
Austin Shackles - 28 Aug 2008 08:34 GMT
>Access is tricky - up one flight of stairs - but not impossible, and I
>could round up a few local chaps to help. Also I have moved lots of
>pianos, so am used to moving similar large top-heavy narrow objects.
>Could even leave it downstairs if needed. How big are the holes under
>the bed?

It'll come apart, if you really need to.  Although it's always better to
avoid taking headstocks off if you can :-)

Specifically, the lathe and cabinet should be moderately easy to separate.
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jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 28 Aug 2008 11:03 GMT
> jontom_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Peter
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>
> -- Peter

Peter

Just sent you some more details and some pictures but from a different
e-mail address as Hotmail is playing up and won't load the picture
files. So please check that your Spam filters don't take it out
subject is just Boxford Lathe.

Regards

Keith.
Peter Fairbrother - 28 Aug 2008 15:05 GMT
>> jontom_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> Peter
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> files. So please check that your Spam filters don't take it out
> subject is just Boxford Lathe.

Got it, will reply later today.

Thanks,

-- Peter
Boo - 23 Aug 2008 10:41 GMT
> Though I have long had doubts about cross slide drives which run on the
> leadscrew rather than a seperate shaft.

Why is this, Peter ?

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Boo

Don Young - 23 Aug 2008 02:58 GMT
>> if the carriage and cross-slide drives reverse
>> it won't often be a problem.
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>
> John S.

A recent edition of one of the Village Press (USA) magazines had an article
on adding a tumbler reverse to an imported lathe. Seemed a very good job and
not terribly difficult.

Don Young (USA)
 
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