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PW - 26 Nov 2008 15:49 GMT
Hi
Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
By fitting a 5/16 unf bolt inside a spark plug.
I need to know how much this bolt will extend by each complete
revolution in mm.
thanks
mark - 26 Nov 2008 15:59 GMT
> Hi
> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
> By fitting a 5/16 unf bolt inside a spark plug.
> I need to know how much this bolt will extend by each complete
> revolution in mm.
> thanks

you are going about it the wrong way

get a longer bolt ...drill a hole down the middle of it ...put a long
stroke dial indicator in the hole ...make clamp arrangement or
something to hold the dial indicator in the bolt.

all the best.mark
PW - 26 Nov 2008 16:08 GMT
>> Hi
>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> all the best.mark

No, spark plug hole in head is at an acute angle
I don’t have a dial gauge
thanks but i just need to know how far a 5/16unf thread moves with each
   complete turn.

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PW

Cliff Ray - 26 Nov 2008 16:12 GMT
>>> Hi
>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> thanks but i just need to know how far a 5/16unf thread moves with each
>    complete turn.

Well if you googled "5/16 unf thread" the first hit says it is 24 tpi.
Can you work it out from there?
PW - 26 Nov 2008 16:26 GMT
>>>> Hi
>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Well if you googled "5/16 unf thread" the first hit says it is 24 tpi.
> Can you work it out from there?

No, im a completely stupid, thick ignorant fool.
That’s why I asked on here hoping to find the answer,

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PW

Tony Jeffree - 26 Nov 2008 16:29 GMT
>> Well if you googled "5/16 unf thread" the first hit says it is 24 tpi.
>> Can you work it out from there?
>
>No, im a completely stupid, thick ignorant fool.
>That’s why I asked on here hoping to find the answer,

24 TPI, so 1/24th of an inch per turn. An inch is 25.4 mm so 1.058333
recurring mm per turn.

Or a gnats bollock over 1mm per turn in round figures.

Regards,
Tony
PW - 26 Nov 2008 16:55 GMT
>>> Well if you googled "5/16 unf thread" the first hit says it is 24 tpi.
>>> Can you work it out from there?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Regards,
> Tony

Thank you very much Tony that’s all I need to know.

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PW

Dave Baker - 26 Nov 2008 16:38 GMT
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> No, im a completely stupid, thick ignorant fool.
> That’s why I asked on here hoping to find the answer,

If you're so dim you can't look up a bolt thread on Google how are you going
to work out the maths for ignition timing versus bolt movement? Have you
even considered that if the spark plug is at an angle that alters the
vertical movement of the bolt? I'm guessing trigonometry would be way beyond
you too. The words "to happen" and "accident waiting" spring to mind in no
particular order.
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Dave Baker

PW - 26 Nov 2008 16:59 GMT
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> If you're so dim you can't look up a bolt thread on Google how are you going
> to work out the maths for ignition timing versus bolt movement?

Ignition timing is 1.25 mm piston before TDC

> The words "to happen" and "accident waiting" spring to mind in no
> particular order.

TWAT

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Andrew Mawson - 26 Nov 2008 17:13 GMT
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> TWAT

Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to ask
'how do I measure the angle of the spark plug thread relative to the
piston axis?', and having done that, 'what protrusion of a 5/16 bolt
at that angle corresponds to 1.25mm of piston travel?'

AWEM
PW - 26 Nov 2008 17:28 GMT
> Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to ask
> 'how do I measure the angle of the spark plug thread relative to the
> piston axis?', and having done that, 'what protrusion of a 5/16 bolt
> at that angle corresponds to 1.25mm of piston travel?'
>
> AWEM

No I don’t, see if you can work out why

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PW

Boo - 26 Nov 2008 17:41 GMT
> No I don’t, see if you can work out why

'Cos you are just going to refer everything to TDC which is the minimum
protrusion of the bolt that will still contact the piston ?  But then why do you
need to know the thread pitch at all ?

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Boo

Dragon - 26 Nov 2008 21:05 GMT
>> Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to ask
>> 'how do I measure the angle of the spark plug thread relative to the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> No I don’t, see if you can work out why

Nope can't work it out.
Got lost in all the maths etc above
Please enlighten me

Henry
ravensworth2674 - 26 Nov 2008 21:37 GMT
> >> Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to ask
> >> 'how do I measure the angle of the spark plug thread relative to the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Henry

I have only one useable eye at the moment but I counted 46 pages of
advice on Google.
Go out, buy aspirins, find wet towel, stay up all night-- or read my
instructions which don't need maths

Nite

Norm
Dragon - 26 Nov 2008 23:14 GMT
On 26 Nov, 21:05, "Dragon" <qz39dragon.trapb...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "PW" <u...@example.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Henry

>I have only one useable eye at the moment but I counted 46 pages of
>advice on Google.
>Go out, buy aspirins, find wet towel, stay up all night-- or read my
>instructions which don't need maths

>Norm
Ok your instructions are understandable.
However the OP appears to want 1.25mm of piston travel before TDC
He also seems to have a method of achieving that with a 5/16th bolt at some
unspecified/unknown angle once he knows the pitch of the bolt.
I am inviting him to explain how that works.
Sometimes not a dense as I claim!
On the other hand sometimes.....

Henry
jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 27 Nov 2008 10:11 GMT
> On 26 Nov, 21:05, "Dragon" <qz39dragon.trapb...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Henry, a very fair question in my mind but I suspect the OP is not
going to enlighten us, particularly as he has already "brushed off"
some excellent advice; the certainty of youth perhaps? I'm surprised
that we haven't got into the discussion about the non linear
relationship between crank angle and piston vertical movement yet, but
then again the OP seems hell bent on upsetting some very knowledgeable
guys.

I can however, merely for amusement you understand, relate a short
story from my distant past with some "new" apprentices. The task was
to time a small 2 stroke with basic (we used to call it field)
equipment, at least enough to get it running. One bright light
established TDC with a long screwdriver through the plug hole, even
explaining how he had averaged the "dead" crank movement at TDC to get
an accurate flywheel TDC mark. For some reason he then took off the
exhaust pipe, SCRATCHED the piston with his scriber moved the piston
down 1/16" and set the timing. His "other" mistake was that he moved
the crank in the direction of rotation not against it :-) I suspect he
went through life with a good understanding that scratching pistons
was not the best thing to do. <Vbg>

Anyway, I too wait to be enlightened.

Regards

Keith
Dave Baker - 27 Nov 2008 10:34 GMT
I can however, merely for amusement you understand, relate a short
story from my distant past with some "new" apprentices. The task was
to time a small 2 stroke with basic (we used to call it field)
equipment, at least enough to get it running. One bright light
established TDC with a long screwdriver through the plug hole, even
explaining how he had averaged the "dead" crank movement at TDC to get
an accurate flywheel TDC mark. For some reason he then took off the
exhaust pipe, SCRATCHED the piston with his scriber moved the piston
down 1/16" and set the timing. His "other" mistake was that he moved
the crank in the direction of rotation not against it :-) I suspect he
went through life with a good understanding that scratching pistons
was not the best thing to do. <Vbg>

Don't get me started on apprentices. I've had a few 'helpers' over the years
in various capacities although none of them employed for money as such. Last
one was mid 40s doing a degree in motorsport engineering as part of some
kind of mid life complete change of career. Started him on stripping down
and cleaning stuff. He got a Peugeot flywheel off the crank ok by himself
and then I said he could take a crossflow one off an engine that needed
stripping later. He comes back a bit later saying he can't get any of the
bolts out of this one, they just keep rounding off. I go and have a look and
he's still using the 13mm socket that was correct for the Peugeot engine.

"WTF are you doing?" I say or words to that effect.
"I thought flywheel bolts were 13mm." he replies.
"Well they are on f**ing Peugeot 205 engines but not on every other engine
known to man. Ford Crossflow's are imperial and the flywheel bolts are 1/2".
Can't you even tell when a socket isn't the right fit for the bolt?"

Grrr. I might expect that from a teenager who's never used a socket set
before but how can someone in his mid 40s who's stripped and built umpteen
of his own engines not be able to use tools properly without help?

He spent the next few months breaking various other things including the DRO
on my mill at which point we decided this was not going to work out.

There was one lad in his early 20s many years ago who was brilliant though.
Point him at anything and he'd think it through for himself and then do it
right without having to come running asking silly questions but those types
are few and far between.
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Dave Baker

jontom_1uk@hotmail.com - 27 Nov 2008 11:01 GMT
> <jontom_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> --
> Dave Baker

Good story Dave, I wish I had heard it a few years ago when I spent
the final few years (as it turned out) of my career fighting to retain
all that basic stuff in our apprentice training syllabus. It was
always the initial and in my mind vital subjects that were under
pressure. Of course while modern youth were expected to gain the same
level of expertise in 3 years rather than 5 or even 7, they also had
to understand the workings of the space shuttle, the digital world and
how friction stir welding would revolutionise the aircraft production
industry whilst not getting their hands dirty or scratching
themselves. Oh and yes they do need 16 weeks of remedial maths as the
schools didn't have time to teach them anything relevant to
engineering. Don't know why I got so excited really as in hindsight it
wasn't only the syllabus that went it was the whole b*****y apprentice
training programme. I guess I'm just too old and it was time to retire
after all.

Regards

Keith
Peter Neill - 27 Nov 2008 15:59 GMT
>> Don't get me started on apprentices. I've had a few 'helpers' over the years
>> in various capacities although none of them employed for money as such. Last
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>
>Keith

Back when I got my first 2-stroke moped/field bike, I was rather
mechanically incompetent (I'm a little bit better now..).

An older friend who had a 'fizzy' and was already into his
apprenticeship explained how de-coking the engine would gives us huge
amounts more power and speed, and how carefully the compression ratio
had been designed to give an exact gap between combustion chamber and
piston for the mixture to compress, and then promptly suggested we
spend an hour or two decoking and thereby putting things back to how
the factory had designed them.

After carefully scraping the alloy piston top and combustion chambers
with a 2p coin - as instructed so as not to damage it -  scraping out
the clogged exhaust ports, and then giving the combustion chamber a
quick once over with wire wool and polish to finish off the job, we
put our respective 2-stroke top ends back together.

Well, his 'fizzy' started up after a few kicks and indeed I'm sure it
sounded better than it had before. However, mine stubbornly refused to
fire up. Kicked it, pushed it, jumped it - nothing would provoke the
engine into starting.
Checked the plug and found we had a good spark. Checked the carb to
make sure fuel was getting through. Checked that any kill switch was
not engaged, and carried on trying to kick start/push start/bump
start, and all to no avail.

Half an hour of head scratching and my friend bent down once again to
look over the engine, then promptly fell about laughing his head off.
"Whats so funny?" says I, "Have another look at the head" says He.
So I did and couldn't see what was wrong.

Wiping the tears of mirth from his eyes, he asked WHY had I put the
washers for the head bolts in between the head and barrel, instead of
underneath the nuts holding the head down. Ah! Says I…I didn't think
the two parts were supposed to be touching because of that compression
ratio thing you told me about.

A sadly all too true tale.

Peter
Cliff Ray - 27 Nov 2008 11:04 GMT
> <jontom_1uk@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> Don't get me started on apprentices. I've had a few 'helpers' over the years

A few years back I ended up trying to show two people how to install
electric garage door operators. One was straight from school (with GCSE
science) while the other had apparently been working as an electrician's
assistant on building sites.

Anyway I asked them to "strip the insulation" off the mains wire and I
would come back in 5 minutes and show them how to wire it up.
Unfortunately 5 minutes later there was nearly three metres of
completely bare wires and both were amazed that I wasn't impressed with
how well they had stripped it. Unfortunately they didn't take my next
instruction so literally.
Pip Luscher - 27 Nov 2008 20:17 GMT
>I'm surprised
>that we haven't got into the discussion about the non linear
>relationship between crank angle and piston vertical movement yet, but
>then again the OP seems hell bent on upsetting some very knowledgeable
>guys.

To be fair to him, two-strokes are traditionally set up by measuring
piston position, not crank angle. An old Villliers engine I've owned
was set up this way, as were a couple of relatively modern Japanese
two-strokes.

One theory I saw (IIRC it was in a book about two-stroke tuning) was
that flywheels might not be perfectly aligned, especially as the
cranks on a two-stroke are often pressed together. So long as the
crank throw is accurate though, piston position is a sufficiently sure
way of ensuring that the timing is correct, even when measuring near
TDC.

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-Pip

Peter Neill - 27 Nov 2008 20:27 GMT
>>I'm surprised
>>that we haven't got into the discussion about the non linear
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>way of ensuring that the timing is correct, even when measuring near
>TDC.

ISTR somethng similar, and I would bet it was from one of the books by
the late John Robinson.
IIRC he said to set TDC with a dial gauge, and then mark the flywheel
and crankcase for future reference.

Peter
Andrew Mawson - 26 Nov 2008 23:41 GMT
On 26 Nov, 21:05, "Dragon" <qz39dragon.trapb...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "PW" <u...@example.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Henry

I have only one useable eye at the moment but I counted 46 pages of
advice on Google.
Go out, buy aspirins, find wet towel, stay up all night-- or read my
instructions which don't need maths

Nite

Norm

Well Norm, I'll join you in the one eyed club, but our friend the OP
doesn't seem very open to suggestions or friendly advice. Lets hope
the chip on his shoulder doesn't fall in the spark plug hole <G>

AWEM
Cliff Coggin - 27 Nov 2008 08:46 GMT
On 26 Nov, 21:05, "Dragon" <qz39dragon.trapb...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Nope can't work it out.
> Got lost in all the maths etc above
> Please enlighten me
>
> Henry

I have only one useable eye at the moment but I counted 46 pages of
advice on Google.
Go out, buy aspirins, find wet towel, stay up all night-- or read my
instructions which don't need maths

Nite

Norm
--------------------------------------------------

One shouldn't need full eyesight to recognise irony.

Cliff Coggin.
Dragon - 27 Nov 2008 16:08 GMT
>> Nope can't work it out.
>> Got lost in all the maths etc above
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Cliff Coggin.

Spot on Cliff!

Henry
Mike Whittome - 26 Nov 2008 23:53 GMT
>>  Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to
>>ask
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>No I don’t, see if you can work out why

Can't work it out. Please tell us, we would love to know.

From a more practical view, if you have a spark plug with a hole through
it then put some soap suds over the hole and use the size of the bubble
to determine TDC.   Actually very accurate - try it.

Mike

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Neil Ellwood - 27 Nov 2008 11:11 GMT
>> Now you've got your answer to your original question, you need to ask
>> 'how do I measure the angle of the spark plug thread relative to the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> No I don’t, see if you can work out why

You've already tried it, gone too far  and am now waiting for a new
piston.

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mark - 26 Nov 2008 17:51 GMT
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

bet you are meant to take the head off ..to time it

if its air cooled, i see no problem.

you can anneal the gasket before it goes back.

if as above, you pick up a dial gauge on ebay for less than a tenner

with the head off .you will only need a short stroke one ..

and a lump of metal to span the bore with hole drilled for dial gauge.

otherwise with the bolt idea ..it's just too involved and complicated.

all the best..markj
ravensworth2674 - 26 Nov 2008 20:49 GMT
> > >>>>>> Hi
> > >>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

This isn't rocket science.
You've got a flywheel? Has it got a key?
If so, it will be at TDC or BDC

Go to Woolies( oops, too late) but get a child's protractor and drill
a weeny hole at TDC and then another at the degree timing mark.-on the
flywheel. Fill the things with emulsion paint which will dry whilst
you are at Halfords and get on with it.

Probably, the timing marks are already there- and just need the sh1te
removed to find them

Come in Mark Rand and say-RTFM.
Mark Rand - 26 Nov 2008 20:56 GMT
>This isn't rocket science.
>You've got a flywheel? Has it got a key?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Come in Mark Rand and say-RTFM.

Our trigonometrically challenged friend doesn't indicate the make and model of
the engine, so I can't tell him which FM to R :-)

There has been sensible advice. A defensive/aggressive attitude might possibly
blind one to the sense and helpfulness of said advice.

Mark Rand
RTFM
Roland Craven - 27 Nov 2008 08:56 GMT
Provided the stroke is known and the flywheel easily accessible; All you
need is: something to poke in the plug hole at approx. TDC., a tapemeasure,
a scriber, and some very basic maths.

ttfn
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Nr. Exeter, Devon, UK
roland@petternut.co.uk
www.petternut.co.uk

brightside S9 - 27 Nov 2008 09:02 GMT
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
>Ignition timing is 1.25 mm piston before TDC

If the spark plug hole is at an acute angle, then one turn of the bolt
will not result in 1 mm change in the direction of the stroke.

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brightside s9

ravensworth2674 - 27 Nov 2008 09:08 GMT
On 27 Nov, 09:02, brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid>
wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>>> Im making a TDC/Timing tool for a 2stroke engine
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Andrew, sorry to hear of your own probs.

I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
of 18 only got 6 weeks training to work on aircraft engines and
airframes.

What has happened since? Here is a guy that can't even grasp that
people have fed in information from 100's of sources.
And he can't see it with 2 eyes

Sadly,
            Norman
Andrew Mawson - 27 Nov 2008 09:31 GMT
On 27 Nov, 09:02, brightside S9 <address@replyto_is_not.invalid>
wrote:
> >Dave Baker wrote:
> >>> Cliff Ray wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Andrew, sorry to hear of your own probs.

I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
of 18 only got 6 weeks training to work on aircraft engines and
airframes.

What has happened since? Here is a guy that can't even grasp that
people have fed in information from 100's of sources.
And he can't see it with 2 eyes

Sadly,
            Norman

It's nothing new Norm - stuck a mapping pen in it when I was five (*)
so if I'm not used to it now I never will be <G>

AWEM

(*) and that's at least ... ten years ago <G>)
Trevor Jones - 28 Nov 2008 19:31 GMT
> I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
> I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Sadly,
>              Norman

 They got six weeks of training, but they would have been watched
closely, given much further instruction until they were proven
competent, and, unless my sources have mislead me, they would have had
to face a sound beating from one of their superiors, if they screwed up,
or did not pay close enough attention to what they were doing and/or
learning.

 Fear is a great motivator, if properly applied. Focuses the mind, as
it were.

 Cheers
  Trev
ravensworth2674 - 28 Nov 2008 21:18 GMT
> > I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
> > I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>   Cheers
>    Trev

Trev,
       What arrant nonsense is this? I am actually looking at my
intake of 1948.
None of them look in fear and as to a beating, you must be out of your
tree.
On the 12th September 1948, I was in a squarebashing intake prior to
this photo of a training course lasting 6 weeks.
Again, I can tell you that one of the lads who became one of my 'erks'
is still in contact with me.
Further, in Star News which is the Journal of RAF 31 Squadron
Association, one of the 6 week wonders was guest of honour to his old
sergeant's presentation of 50 years in the Freemasons. He presented
his old boss with a model of the Spitfire SL 721 which is still
airworthy.
If you live in London, go into the Peel Room at the Met at Hendon. It
was in honour of three crew which died there.
WE put it there.
We might have been half starved, overworked, underpaid and generally
buggered about- but we were tough enough.
We had lived through 6 years of total war from the age of 9 - and this
was luxury in comparison.

Norman Atkinson.
ravensworth2674 - 29 Nov 2008 11:47 GMT
> > I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
> > I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>   Cheers
>    Trev
My earlier post deleted.
Obviously, Trev has no intention to dare to reply- he wasn't there.
Mark Rand - 29 Nov 2008 21:48 GMT
>My earlier post deleted.
>Obviously, Trev has no intention to dare to reply- he wasn't there.

this is Usenet Norm, you can't delete a post once it's been downloaded :-)
You can't cancel one where news servers don't accept cancels either.

Mark Rand
RTFM
ravensworth2674 - 30 Nov 2008 08:06 GMT
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:47:52 -0800 (PST), ravensworth2674
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Mark Rand
> RTFM

Thanks Mark but everyone who did National Service is at least 70( I'm
78+)
The accuracy of accounts from first hand is getting less and less.

What is accurate is 'RTFM', the RAF  Tech Library - or all the RAF
Technical Publications is still at my old unit-RAF Hendon.
Now there's thing. I would expect that the answers to the original
post are repeated and repeated- there and there.

Mumble, mumble

Norm- another 6 week wonder
Trevor Jones - 30 Nov 2008 22:05 GMT
>>>I was musing like the giant Cyclops and wondering.
>>>I was scrapping my old records of 60 years back but realised that kids
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> My earlier post deleted.
> Obviously, Trev has no intention to dare to reply- he wasn't there.

 On the contrary, I dare reply just fine.

 I have not been spending much time on the newsgroups of late.

 Regarding the training. I am basing my statements on what has been
told  to me by, among others, some of the old farts that spent time in
either the RAF, or the RCAF, during the war years and postwar.
 I worked with several fellows that had spent time in the RCAF, prior
to amalgamation, here in Canada, into the Canadain Armed Forces. That
took place in 1968. Most, if not all those fellows, retired through the
'80's.

 Reading through the reminiscences of the folks that did their
apprenticeships both before and after that time, adds a bit more of a
perspective.

 The monitoring and mentoring did go on long after the 6 weeks of
training was completed.
 And I can see no reason for any of them to have lied to me about the
real potential of getting a beating laid upon them by the Corporal, or
by the LAC that was watching over them, if they screwed up.
 They told me it happened. Good enough for me.

 As to the benefits of fear, I'll stand by that. Whether it's a fear of
a beating (rare these days) or simply fear of failure (of which there
seems not enough about) fear does focus ones mind. Being in the
military, one of the few employers that maintains it's own prison system
, there is the fear of that, also, if one screws up badly enough.

 I still run across the odd apprentice tradesman that could use a sound
beating. It might not cause them any good, but would improve my spirits
a great deal.

 Cheers
  Trev
Pip Luscher - 27 Nov 2008 20:31 GMT
>If the spark plug hole is at an acute angle, then one turn of the bolt
>will not result in 1 mm change in the direction of the stroke.

Without Googling, I reckon one could work it out, in theory: from
exactly TDC, if x turns of the bolt turns the crank y degrees
(measured by some means) and the bolt pitch and crank throw are known,
then the bolt angle could easily be calculated. However, the point of
contact would move across the piston crown and the foregoing asumes
that the piston crown is flat, which it usually isn't. It also assumes
that TDC can be accurately found without a dial gauge, which I doubt.

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