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Model Forum / General / Models / May 2009Number of Model Engineers in the UK?
Hiya, Does anyone have a round number for Model Engineers (with a Railway bent) in the UK? I'm doing a Business plan for something for the fraternity. Thank, Rob. > Hiya, > Does anyone have a round number for Model Engineers (with a Railway > bent) in the UK? I'm doing a Business plan for something for the > fraternity. Active or sofa?  SignatureLester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php >> Hiya, >> Does anyone have a round number for Model Engineers (with a Railway >> bent) in the UK? I'm doing a Business plan for something for the >> fraternity. > > Active or sofa? Actually both.....doubt there are numbers for armchair though. Rob. Try contacting Model Engineer mag, they did a survey of readers a whil back so may be willing to share their data. Jaso -- jasonballam >>> Hiya, >>> Does anyone have a round number for Model Engineers (with a Railway [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Rob. You could get a close approximation from ME/MEW circulation figures...around 20K I believe. Regards, Tony > > Hiya, > > Does anyone have a round number for Model Engineers (with a Railway [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Lester Caine - G8HFL > ----------------------------- Then you need to ask welded to it or not. John S. The circulation figures for ME & EiM would be a start, though it would not include the browsers and borrowers? Survey are difficult, only a minority reply. Likewise clubs, my father and grandfather where both keen model engineers (G'Dad had a 5" gauge track in the garden), yet neither were members of clubs and only occasional magazine buyers. Are you including those who built their own 'G scale' (loose term I know) locos? Probably not regular readers of ME or EiM. mh > Likewise clubs, my father and grandfather where both keen model engineers > (G'Dad had a 5" gauge track in the garden), yet neither were members of > clubs and only occasional magazine buyers. Curious - did they work EVERYTHING out from first principles (impressive) or did they buy books (since you state they were only "occasional magazine buyer") BugBear Sorry for the rather 'curt' description. Both were engineers by profession, so that helped on the practical side. What I meant was 'occasional magazine buyers' was that they only bought magazines and books occasionally at present, the researcher was directed to current circulation figures, on which neither would appear. Dad especially was brought you reading LBSC's articles (indeed he met him at least once) in the ME and English Mechanics and would regularly drive locos on the garden track and on the Romford Club track from an early age. It's also worth remembering that generations before mine seem to have been taught much more about steam and indeed mechanics in general at school. You could give both Dad and G'Dad a set of drawings and they could have produced the engine. I poersonally have no great interest in steam locos, but I think I could built a simple oscillating engine from scratch, I understand the general principles and to be honest it's not rocket science. My point was that there are people who will be beneath the 'model engineer' radar. mh > I poersonally have no great interest in steam locos, but I think I could > built a simple oscillating engine from scratch, I understand the general > principles > and to be honest it's not rocket science. Not Rocket science? I think Robert Stephenson might disagree! :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson%27s_Rocket I'll get me coat ... Nobby >> I poersonally have no great interest in steam locos, but I think I could >> built a simple oscillating engine from scratch, I understand the general [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nobby Rocket science is actually easier than steam, all you need is a tube with stuff that burns :P >>> I poersonally have no great interest in steam locos, but I think I could >>> built a simple oscillating engine from scratch, I understand the general [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Rocket science is actually easier than steam, all you need is a tube with > stuff that burns :P I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? "It's not like creating the world in 6 days, you know.", perhaps? > > Rocket science is actually easier than steam, all you need is a tube with > > stuff that burns :P [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "It's not like creating the world in 6 days, you know.", perhaps? Or perhaps, Did you know you can Lumsden grind the bed of a Myford ?.............. John S. >> > Rocket science is actually easier than steam, all you need is a tube with >> > stuff that burns :P [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >John S. lolol <g> > I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they > wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? > > "It's not like creating the world in 6 days, you know.", perhaps? I usually say "It's not rocket science" - but then have to add "actually it is, but ..." :) -- Peter Fairbrother (sometimes I'm a rocket scientist) >> I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they >> wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (sometimes I'm a rocket scientist) I was discussing a boiler design for my neighbours proposed loco and the phrase "It's not rocket science" was mentioned but I countered that at one time it was, as it was cutting edge technology. Nowadays steam is well understood so not rocket science anymore. I recently attended a talk by Richard Gibbon OBE at the Bristol SMEE about the Great Britain engine replacements and that brought home the rapid pace of steam technology in those days. >> I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they >> wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > :) That came out wrong - actually rocket science itself is mostly fairly easy, it's rocket plumbing that's hard. You need to be able to use Naperian exponentials ("e"), and to some extent understand them, to understand the basic rocket equation; but that isn't hard to do. Learning to use them takes two sentences; the level of understanding needed takes a couple of pages study and a night's sleep. The perceived hardness is mostly because "e" isn't part of most people's math vocabulary - and this is mainly because it isn't taught at "O" level math, where IMO it should be taught. Instead they go on about algebraic combinations of trig functions, and differentiation/integration of algebraic formulae - which are all pretty useless for most of us, and can be done in MATLAB or whatever without any need to understand the details anyway. Or at least it were like that when I were a lad. Rocket plumbing, on the other hand, is by comparison really complicated. Getting things to flow where and how you want them to is hard, even without getting into computational fluid dynamics etc. -- Peter Fairbrother > >> I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they > >> wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > -- Peter Fairbrother Funny how you all think . When someone says the expression to me .. I think gyros, trajectories stabilisation ..not of rocket motors or plumbing then, to me, the statement does look up to rocket science...as complicated all the best.markj > Funny how you all think . > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > then, to me, the statement does look up to rocket science...as > complicated The gyros, trajectories, stabilisation bits - the electronics - are (in a sense, and I don't mean to denigrate at all the guys who do them) almost off-the-shelf technology now. You (almost..) just have to write the software - if the right plumbing is there. Rocket plumbing still isn't anywhere near being off-the-shelf. One of the best rocket guys I know calls himself a rocket plumber, and I completely understand why. It's the major remaining really hard part. Of course maybe we're using the word plumbing in an unusual sense - it's not just about putting pipes in the right place, it's about flows and pressures, and flow and pressure control, and startup transients and pogo-ing, and combustion stability, and the RCS rockets and their controls which control attitude, and the hydraulic bits which control the direction of thrust, and turbopumps, and tank design, and tank pressurisation design, and chamber and nozzle design, and cooling, and so on - basically, almost all the engineering bits of a rocket are, or can be, considered plumbing. And when you need things which have -180 degrees C on one side, and 3,500 degrees C 5 mm away, with volumes larger and pressures higher than those in gas cylinder bottles, but only a few mm of material to contain them - and which use flow rates approaching ridiculous levels and cryogenic, corrosive, explosive and toxic fluids - and twice the shaft horsepower of a F1 car at full throttle being both produced and used in something you can hold in one hand - or 4 shaft HP produced and used in something the size of a 35mm film canister - then it gets difficult. But that's rocket plumbing. -- Peter Fairbrother - and which use flow rates approaching ridiculous levels > and cryogenic, corrosive, explosive and toxic fluids - and twice the > shaft horsepower of a F1 car at full throttle being both produced and > used in something you can hold in one hand - or 4 shaft HP produced and > used in something the size of a 35mm film canister - then it gets > difficult. Did supercavitating pumps ever erm... get off the ground? SignatureCharles Lamont > > >> I wonder what the phrase is that is used by Rocket Scientists when they > > >> wish to disdainfully dismiss something as being technically trivial? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > all the best.markj I always think blue touch paper..................... John S. Of course, blue touch paper was out of the question for the inmates of Dachau concentration camp who had to make the instrumentation. I had an old Norwegian Red Cross bloke who was there- and survived. How wonderful to pi55 on the gubbins in side the rocketry. How I would like to do the same on the twerps who are costing us zillions for not a lot in space. I suppose that it is one way of getting rid of your future pensions. Have a nice day- can't say that the week or even the future is promising. Norm >I had an old Norwegian Red Cross bloke who was there- and survived. Had in what sense? Regards, Tony > On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:44:05 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Regards, > Tony Oh, Tony, I tend to forget that others have forgotten the Holocaust and the recent Memorial Day. To refresh memories and to advise, Norway was invaded by the Germans in WW2 and Norwegian people like the Resistance and Jews and Freemasons and even the Red Cross were captured and ended up as slave labour and worse in Nazi Germany. The Resistance came to Britain and the records will show that one base was - well, they still wont admit some of it but we do know about 'Heavy Water' and the Heroes of Telemark. We do know that only a titular three Red Cross workers were left in Norway. I became involved after the war and later with the Red Cross and Mountain Rescue. I came across this guy with Colonel Reiiser Larsen who had been part of the Resistance on a Winter Survival Course with the Nordic nations- with Princess Margarette now Queen Margarette of Denmark. Anyway, this guy was in Dachau as an inmate but tended the sick without drugs and such. It's quite a story of 'Herr Doktor' Maybe you will be your usual sceptical self but Google- the 1949- 53 Joint British Scandinavian Expedition to Antarctica and the little Austers. And the death of Cpl Leslie Quar and the Larsen iceshelf. Leslie and I were fellow corporals at Hendon. There is doubt about the Antarctic Austers at Cosford. The Devons are mine- I doubt that they were ever on 'Norsel' with the five crew. It does get a bit iffy because there is something- true or untrue- about murder of Nazis in Antarctica and who the Norwegian was who led the Brits. It does get too complicated. I know that 'we' had to evacuate RAF ( ????) and this was part of the School of Intelligence( and a lot of other things) and that the RAF finally has released some bits. The BBC has a bit on Queen Maudland in Antarctica- as a Post Office( I know I know) Now I do know of the now colonel who was in several Commando raids. We are in the same*********************. All that I can really confirm is my 'Shoulder flash'- there were only 6 that ever went to Brits. One belonged to the famous Eric Beard who did the Old Man of Hoy, one with one of Mad Mitch's lot, one with the dog man of the Cairngorm team, one went to the Nevis crew- and so on. I did go off at a tangent but the my sister squadron 617 wiped out a lot of stuff and prisoners at places like Peenemunde. You see- only two of us know what went on for our little spot in the history book- that has yet been unwritten. Clearer? I hope not. Norm On 27 May, 17:58, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > To refresh memories and to advise, Norway was invaded by the Germans > in WW2 and Norwegian people like the Resistance and Jews and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > some of it but we do know about 'Heavy Water' and the Heroes of > Telemark. Loads of twaddle snipped to save everyone falling asleep.........yawn. > You see- only two of us know what went on for our little spot in the > history book- that has yet been unwritten. > > Clearer? I hope not. > > Norm Sherry bottle 3 Alzheimer's 2 PR. On 27 May, 17:58, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > To refresh memories and to advise, Norway was invaded by the Germans > in WW2 and Norwegian people like the Resistance and Jews and > Freemasons and even the Red Cross were captured and ended up as slave > labour and worse in Nazi Germany. The Resistance came to Britain and > the records will show that one base was - well, they still wont admit > some of it but we do know about 'Heavy Water' and the Heroes of > Telemark. Loads of twaddle snipped to save everyone falling asleep.........yawn. > You see- only two of us know what went on for our little spot in the > history book- that has yet been unwritten. > > Clearer? I hope not. > > Norm >Sherry bottle 3 Alzheimer's 2 >PR. Some people don't know how lucky they are to a/ live now, and b/ to enjoy the freedoms won at huge cost by an earlier generation. AWEM On 27 May, 19:25, paulrie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 27 May, 17:58, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > PR. The records are there Dachau, Larsen Quar 'Norsel' S'Ldr Walford, F/lt Tudor, the RAF team at Hendon and Maudheim The RAF and what they did at the time is- well, a wee bit shakey. The BEEB is there- somebody went to Maudheim. The Norwegian Red Cross is there- Park Vien or Park Vein- if I recall. The records of 'Norway' are there- there is a bastard child somewhere. The US have given more information - about P-47-s and escape. There are presumably RAF code books- not that I would know- of course. The Metropolitan Police put something on- the date was the Queen's Birthday 1999. There's bank in Stavanger and there can't be a lot. Of course, I've done it. You could be a hero or a w.nker and write to old Queenie in Denmark now. She speaks 5 languages to my knoweledge. Oh, yes, sonny, you have a lot of real living to do. Up yours and that! N Norm, There was no need for paulriedie to be so rude. But you said >>> Clearer? I hope not. which is rather the point. I am sure that you have had some extraordinary experiences, and that it would be fascinating to learn about them if only you could be persuaded of the need to express yourself properly - in such a way that an intelligent but ignorant reader can understand what on earth you are talking about. You know what you are talking about, but it is no good just dashing off a random stream of half-expressed hints, and snippets of reminiscences. For heaven's sake, take the time to put yourself in an ignorant readers chair, and edit your posts so that people can actually get a proper grasp of what you are talking about. When you don't do this, I am afraid your posts do rather come over as senile ramblings. If, on the other hand, you just mean to tantalise by being enigmatic then I am not interested, thank you. From the content of the posts I have seen from you so far, I am afraid I cannot even completely rule out the possibility that you are merely a fantasist. I have taken 10 minutes or more polishing this post, to do my best to ensure that I express myself very clearly, and the right tone. SignatureCharles Lamont On May 27, 11:25 pm, Charles Lamont <char...@gateho.gotadsl.co.uk> wrote: > Norm, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > Charles Lamont Hear, Hear, Charles. Could not have put it better myself. T.W. > On May 27, 11:25 pm, Charles Lamont <char...@gateho.gotadsl.co.uk> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Charles, there is always the 'Wooden Horse' which has been repeated countless times. So, you want to have a few bits of the story. All stories are fragmented. I assume that your E-mail address starts Charles and follows that of your profile. Well, it's midnight and I've had a busy day. Tomorrow? Meantime, are you near RAF Hendon's Museum? If you are- over the road is the Peel room of the Met. There is a little plaque there- it has the Star of India on it.I have the video of it going up- exactly 50 years to the day. Now there is a condition to all this. It is called bluff and counter bluff. You will get the part of the story- and you will acknowledge it.You will get another bit of the story- and so on. OK? Norm >OK? > >Norm STFU Norm. Talk about something relevant to the group or not at all. Mark Rand RTFM I did read the manual! And someone, somewhere was prattling about paint. And somewhere in my vaguest memory, someone was washing someone else's washing- presumably in public.I suppose that it is one way of making a ( soggy) crust. And interesting the rest of us! Good Day to you Norm > On Wed, 27 May 2009 16:09:03 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Mark Rand > RTFM > STFU Norm. Talk about something relevant to the group or not at all. > Mark Rand > RTFM A bit of respect for a senior citizen wouldn`t go amiss,or,take your own advice. Mark McGrath. > I have taken 10 minutes or more polishing this post, to do my best to > ensure that I express myself very clearly, and the right tone. And to emphasise the point, still get it f*@%ed. It should have been 'in the right tone'. SignatureCharles Lamont > Norm, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Charles Lamont Charles, a good post and very close to home. Norman is on many groups and always with this same twaddle. I have never done military service, I was never expected to but most of the generation I know who did hardly talk about it, the only ones who do are the cooks and mailboys, possible to make up for what they didn't do ? My father served in tanks in WWII, when he was alive it was very hard to get him to talk about this period of his life, however amongst his possessions when he died was a book giving the history of the corps during WWII. In the back are 33 pages just of lists of names to fallen comrades, two columns wide. That's probably why he never talked about it. Norman was 14 when WWII ended. PR >> Norm, >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >PR Well, well, well, a lot of posts from names I have not noticed before, reminds me somewhat of the gang of yobs that picked on the weak one at school! More power to your elbow Norm, I hope that I am still around at your age! Richard >> On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:44:05 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Oh, Tony, I tend to forget that others have forgotten the Holocaust >and the recent Memorial Day. Sorry Norman - I wasn't after, nor did I need, a history lesson, fascinating as it may have been - it was just the way you said "I had an old Norwegian Red Cross bloke ..." - much like someone would say "I had a golden Labrador", or "I had a Norwegian Blue parrot". Just wasn't clear what you were trying to convey about your relationship with said gent. And no, I haven't forgotten about the Holocaust, although I can't claim to have been around at the time. Regards, Tony >Curious - did they work EVERYTHING out from first principles >(impressive) or did they buy books (since you state they >were only "occasional magazine buyer") > > BugBear Looking at some 1940's ME magazines, there was a fair bit of stuff around, but nowhere near the stage that we are at today, with almost everything available at the click of a mouse and the flash of the plastic. I'm thinking of one article, about a guy who built some amazing models, including loco's, and he had passed away and his engines had gone to a musuem? Might have been Gloucestershire way. He certainly didn't have drawings for what he made, just what he saw and sketched presumably. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK peterforbes@prepair.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk http://www.prepair.eu > >Curious - did they work EVERYTHING out from first principles > >(impressive) or did they buy books (since you state they [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK > peterfor...@prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.eu Given that Railway Modeller has an audited circulation of 43K and Model Rail has 29K it's going to be well south of those figures. 20K rings a bell but how many ME/MEW readers aren't into trains? Maybe as much as half. And from the traffic stats to Homeworkshop.org.uk I'd guess that only 1 in 5 are digitally literate to any large degree. Charles On 26 May, 14:00, wells_h...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > >Curious - did they work EVERYTHING out from first principles > > >(impressive) or did they buy books (since you state they [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Charles If you are inferring that the other 4 in 5 of us do not even achieve mere digital literacy then the majority of us are doomed to t'internet oblivion? But this could be a plus. Alan I feel sorry for the OP. What ever happened to moderators? -- elj221 > I feel sorry for the OP. > > What ever happened to moderators?! > > -- > elj221c Whatever happened to people who don't understand how a newsgroup works over a forum. This is the problem when newsgroups are hijacked by a forum such as rcgroups, it may look like a forum to you but rcgroups has no control over it, in fact they are stealing the feed. John S. > > I feel sorry for the OP. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > John S. But why approach a bunch of people who have an engineering interest and a modelling interest but no worth when it comes to giving a business assessment? This, in professional terms, is where one puts one money up to get correct business intelligence. I regarded it as a 'windup' as the rest of guff from this OP has no remote connection with what the question was. So let's move on! I believe the tank man is not the tank man. Sorry, the tank man is the guy's father. OK, the father had a rough time but those who went into National Service after the war had a pretty rough time. Many were splattered over all sorts of places such as Malaya, India, Burma, Central Africa and Korea. Whether they died- and got a medal or were in a war-WAR is doubtful- but dead or injured, they are. Apart from the Berlin Airlift bit, I was never out of the UK but I like many more am a disabled ex-serviceman. My ears were 'blown out' or something. Chummy, here, who has this father appears to be a bloke who is getting money for books and traipsing poor sods and their relatives over war graves. He is getting money playing on the emotions of those who paid the ultimate price- of him being here today. Am I right? Well, I did write and he ducked under the parapet like any old soldier- and hasn't replied. I might be wrong but that is where the story seems to be unfolding- or not unfolding! Well, gentlemen, I await an explanation. I want to see whether an old fart like me - hastoo much Sherry or Alzheimers. Good Moaning N On 29 May, 06:58, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > I feel sorry for the OP. > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > N Gordon Bennett Norman give it a rest. Someone managed to get it back on topic and you have to go and derail it again. John S. > On 29 May, 06:58, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > John S. Actually I gave up hope ages ago. I did get some useful info though but it's been entertaining watching the other posters bickering like my kids do. Thanks, Rob. Can any explian what an rcgroup is? I thought it was something to do with radio control and could not understand why they would wish to hijack our forum. This is a genuine question and not a pisstake. On 30 May, 10:15, a...@nashman.co.uk wrote: > Can any explian what an rcgroup is? I thought it was something to do > with radio control and could not understand why they would wish to > hijack our forum. This is a genuine question and not a pisstake. Rc group is the name of a forum for as you say radio contol subjects, don't have the link to hand but it's a very popular group. They have made it so one branch of the forum is linked to a news feed where they are reading uk.rec.models.engineering. To readers of Rcgroups this sub forum http://www.rcgroups.com/uk-rec-models-engineering-155/ look just like any of their other forums and their member don't realise that they are reading a news list that is an external feed even though it says it at the top, who reads the top bits <g> ? Every so often a Bot will update the page but it often causes problems when they get out of timing and people post on matters that have since moved on. In the link above it's out of date at the moment with Andrews post on QC tooling leading this one. Most confusing as many of rcgroups readers think that people who post on 'their' forum should be removed or the subject removed etc but the truth is a news feed is unmoderated and no one has any control over it - unfortunately. There used to be a very good news group called rec.crafts.metalworking that catered for home shop engineering issues and it was very good, it still exists but as a shadow of it's self as the gun and politic nuts have taken it over. That's one reason that the UK group was started in an attempt to get back on topic. The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more that start up only dilute the pool of useful knowledge. John S. > The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more > that start up only dilute the pool of useful knowledge. > > John S. Any as they are so fragmented every couple of months someone comes along and decides to bring it all back together in one "supergroup" so starts a new one! > > The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more > > that start up only dilute the pool of useful knowledge. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and decides to bring it all back together in one "supergroup" so starts > a new one! Perhaps someone should take a more adult look at what is also appearing here. I, for one, am sick of having to dodge around such muck. Makes my very boring life so much the better- than what others are now prepared to accept- without question. Bah, humbug? Too true! Norm >> > The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more >> > that start up only dilute the pool of useful knowledge. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >prepared to accept- without question. >Bah, humbug? Too true! Norman - That's a bit rich, considering that a significant proportion of what you post is several parsecs away from anything that could remotely be considered a model engineering topic. Regards, Tony > On Sat, 30 May 2009 04:59:09 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Is little girls and whatever? N >> <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> > The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Is little girls and whatever? >N No, and I didn't suggest that it was. Regards, Tony On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > The root problem is there are numerous groups and forums and the more > > > that start up only dilute the pool of useful knowledge. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Norm Sorry was I misleading in answering that post question.? perhaps I should have left it to you to explain how the internet and frapper work ? John S. > On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The World- not the internet and whatever still sets a reasonable standard of respectable decency. Frankly, I am not interested in what is filth. Read the postings if you must. I'm far from being a prude but really? How does one pull the plug and get out? Norm On 30 May, 14:23, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > > On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Norm What on earth is this bloke on about, John S answers a valid post clearly and politely and this goon is rabbiting on about respectable decency and filth ? Sorry where did this come from ? Some village somewhere up North is missing it's idiot. PR. > What on earth is this bloke on about, John S answers a valid post > clearly and politely and this goon is rabbiting on about respectable [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Some village somewhere up North is missing it's idiot. Steady on guys. John's explanation was clear enough and helpful as far as I am concerned. Norm was no doubt on about the other stuff that turns up here as a result of cross posting ( or is it also multi-posting?) which has nothing to do with engineering and continually attacks someone who, it seems, has questionable ethics and behaviour. Such is the way that things work but I too would rather folks thought a bit more before hitting the Reply button. I also wish folks would learn to snip the irrelevant parts of posts. Some get tediously long. Yes - I know - learn to live with it! Cheers Henry No goon, no idiot,just a very ordinary bloke who no longer wishes to be associated with the the lowest form of animal life. If others wish to condone this,so be it. 'Let all the poisons that are in the mud, hatch out' N > > What on earth is this bloke on about, John S answers a valid post > > clearly and politely and this goon is rabbiting on about respectable [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Henry >> On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >How does one pull the plug and get out? Norm - Your options are limited: (1) Like most people, that want to use the Internet for the value it can give, rather than the less palateable or simply irrelevant stuff thats out there, you can learn to use the tools available to you (kill filters, SPAM filters, firewalls, ...whatever) and ignore/delete the stuff that still gets through. (2) Literally pull the plug and get out. If you can't cope with either of those options, then tough luck. But my point was that either way, be aware (as all of us should) that whatever you post, in some peoples' eyes you will be contributing to the noise rather than to the useful content. Regards, Tony On 30 May, 14:23, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > The World- not the internet and whatever still sets a reasonable > standard of respectable decency. Frankly, I am not interested in what > is filth. > > Read the postings if you must. I'm far from being a prude but really? Perhaps being able to drive should be one pre requisite before being allowed out on the super highway, > How does one pull the plug and get out? > > Norm You already know the answer to that one, you don't have to ask it. John S. >> On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Norm Norman. I suspect your question is actually rhetorical, but if it isn't then it's time you learnt to limit what comes into your computer. Either way, don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Like all of man's inventions the internet can be used for good or ill, and it requires one to apply the same principles and standards one would apply to any other medium. Would you ban all printing for example because of the existence of porn magazines? The internet is here to stay and we must learn to deal with it. Cliff Coggin. >>> On 30 May, 12:59, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Cliff Coggin. If it troubles you (or you have kids) install this (as I did) http://www1.k9webprotection.com/ Very effective, free, doesn't slow everything up but sadly doesn't work on news feeds! Charles |
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