Wakefield (Castrol) V oil

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Bob Minchin - 02 Jul 2009 09:33 GMT

I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to Castrol Oils.
Can anyone suggest what viscosity oil this might have been and a modern
equivalent.
I have tried some SAE30 motor oil and this does not give enough damping
action. The problem could be due to wear in the dashpot or wrong oil.

Any info/ suggestions (polite!) would be useful.

The machine is a Kennedy 90 hacksaw made by Chas Taylor and the dashpot
is supposed to give blade relief on the backstroke.

TIA

Bob

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John S - 02 Jul 2009 12:50 GMT

> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to Castrol Oils.
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>
> Bob

Bob seeing as you only need a small amount and possibly the correct
oil won't work if the dashpot is worn how about blending a suitable
grade using some 80 or 90 weight oil and your 30 grade.

Seems wasteful to buy a drum to find it doesn't work either.

John S.

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Bob Minchin - 02 Jul 2009 19:47 GMT

>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
>> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to Castrol Oils.
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>
> John S.

Good idea John,
If I don't get any steers on the original viscosity, I'll try that.
I'm going to the Heddington & Stockley steam rally over the weekend so
I'll try asking some suitably gnarled stationary engine types for clues.
Cheers
Bob

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Dave Baker - 03 Jul 2009 03:42 GMT

>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
>> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to
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> John S.

John, if by 80 or 90 weight you're talking about gear oil which I presume
you must be as there is no such thing as 80 or 90 weight engine oil AFAIK
then it should be pointed out that gear oil has an entirely different set of
viscosity classifications to engine oil. A straight 80 weight gear oil
actually has a lower viscosity than a straight 30 weight engine oil so
blending those is extremely unlikely to help the OP.

85w gear oil is about the same as SAE30 and 90w is a good bit thicker,
similar to SAE50, but not enough so to be worth making a blend. If SAE30 is
too thin then go directly to SAE50 or 90w gear oil and try that. Next up
would be something like 140w gear oil.

Oil viscosities cover a considerable range for each classification but very
approximately at 40c the viscosity in centistokes is about as follows. Gear
oils have a wider range per classification than engine ones but I've
indicated the mid point for simplicity.

SAE30 - 100
SAE40 - 150
SAE50 - 225

80w gear oil - 70
85w gear oil - 110
90w gear oil - 225
140w gear oil - 500

It is a common misconception to think that gear oils are much thicker than
engine oils, mainly because of the higher classification numbers, but it is
not so. Also because most engine oils nowadays are multigrade with a very
low cold number we are used to them being thin at room temperature compared
to gear oil but of course they thin out less at higher temperatures than
straight weight oils.

I hope the above is of use to the OP. I'm sure any oil company would be able
to help him further.

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Steve R. - 03 Jul 2009 10:07 GMT

>>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
>>> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to
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>>> damping action. The problem could be due to wear in the dashpot or
>>> wrong oil.

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> John, if by 80 or 90 weight you're talking about gear oil which I presume
> you must be as there is no such thing as 80 or 90 weight engine oil AFAIK
> then it should be pointed out that gear oil has an entirely different set
> of viscosity classifications to engine oil. A straight 80 weight gear oil
> actually has a lower viscosity than a straight 30 weight engine oil so
> blending those is extremely unlikely to help the OP.

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> to help him further.

There is in fact 80 and 90 weight motor oil! It's used in aircraft engines.
At one time it was also available for older Harley Davidson motorcycles.
They still carry SAE 50 and 60 oils. Failing the Harley dealer, go to you're
local airport, and get some Aeroshell where they service light aircraft, or
from the airport fuel supplier.

Steve R. Former private pilot, and Harley Davidson owner/mechanic/salesman.

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Andrew Mawson - 03 Jul 2009 12:24 GMT

> >>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
> >>> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot. Wakefield was the forerunner to
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> Steve R. Former private pilot, and Harley Davidson owner/mechanic/salesman.

he..he.. just see him popping over to Heathrow to pick up 50cc of oil
<G>

AWEM

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Steve R. - 05 Jul 2009 08:19 GMT

>> >>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use
> of
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> AWEM

LOL! If they service light aircraft there (unlikely) he could get it!

Most local airports will have a firm that stocks it though.

Steve R.

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mark - 03 Jul 2009 13:01 GMT

what grade doies a rapidor hacksaw take .?

all the best.markj

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BobKellock - 03 Jul 2009 09:17 GMT

> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot.

I use straight (non EP) 140 gear oil in mine.

Bob

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Bob Minchin - 03 Jul 2009 12:38 GMT

>> I have an old machine possibly from the 60's that specifies use of
>> Wakefield V oil in a dashpot.
>
> I use straight (non EP) 140 gear oil in mine.
>
> Bob

Ah! a Fellow Kennedy owner!

Bob, do you find the dashpot gives the required lift on the backstroke
with 140 oil?

Where do you get your oil from please?

TIA

Bob (another one)

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