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Poly-V 10-Groove L section Pulley

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Peter A Forbes - 09 Jul 2009 20:49 GMT
Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?

I'm looking for a 190mm diameter 10-Groove pulley with 50mm Taper-Lock (which
can be bought separately) That's about 7.5" X 2.25" wide in old money.

I have one on another piece of equipment but it has a strange shaft fitting and
diameter and I don't want to disturb it. Buying a new one would save me (or John
S) machining the new shaft.

Peter
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Tim - 09 Jul 2009 21:07 GMT
> Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
> size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: die...@easynet.co.ukhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/dieselhttp://www.stationary-engine.co.ukhttp://www.old
engine.co.uk

My Fenners book lists 12-groove at 185mm pitch dia, product code
215L2412, taperlock bush  number  2517.
They also list 8-groove, but not 12-groove.
Try your local Eriks.

Tim
Tim - 09 Jul 2009 21:08 GMT
> > Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
> > size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Tim

Sorry, that should read 'not 10-groove' ;-)

Tim
Peter A Forbes - 09 Jul 2009 21:18 GMT
>> My Fenners book lists 12-groove at 185mm pitch dia, product code
>> 215L2412, taperlock bush  number  2517.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Tim

Thanks, Tim, I never seem to have any luck with Fenner in the UK, but your
number brought up this pdf:

http://mechatronica.eu/en/Mechatronics/fenner%20products/pulleys/ERIKS%20-%20Rib
bed%20belt%20pulley%20dimensions.pdf


but no Fenner site ?

You are correct, there is no 10-groove listed.

The other Italian company was SIT Spa, in Milan, who do list a 190mm 10-groove.

Thanks again,

Peter
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mark - 09 Jul 2009 21:39 GMT
> but no Fenner site ?

> Thanks again,
>
> Peter

Fenner sold out to Wyko a few years back and they have sold out to
Eriks.They are too expensive for me and after Fenner went I went back
to BSL,now Brammar,and that would be my first port of call.
Mark.
Tim - 09 Jul 2009 21:45 GMT
> > but no Fenner site ?
> > Thanks again,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to BSL,now Brammar,and that would be my first port of call.
> Mark.

I've always been well served by the local Fenners/Eriks branch , both
in terms of price and general customer service. The local BSL has been
the exact opposite. An awful lot seems to be down to the quality of
the branch staff.

Tim
Tim - 09 Jul 2009 21:41 GMT
> >> My Fenners book lists 12-groove at 185mm pitch dia, product code
> >> 215L2412, taperlock bush  number  2517.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: die...@easynet.co.ukhttp://www.oldengine.org/members/dieselhttp://www.stationary-engine.co.ukhttp://www.old
engine.co.uk

The Fenner distribution business was taken over by Wyko and then Eriks

http://www.eriks.co.uk/

AIUI Fenners still exist in a reduced form as a manufacturing (and
importing?) business.
The link you gave is to the same page in the Fenners catalogue that I
was using in paper form, I got mine from the local Eriks branch a few
months ago.

Tim
mark - 09 Jul 2009 21:46 GMT
> AIUI Fenners still exist in a reduced form as a manufacturing (and
> importing?) business.

Tim

Yes they do.As well as having large machine shops for their power
transmission stuff,Fenner also was a very large  rubber company.They
moulded a lot of industrial stuff including conveyor belting.They are/
were a true multinational.
mark - 09 Jul 2009 21:52 GMT
> Yes they do.As well as having large machine shops for their power
> transmission stuff,Fenner also was a very large  rubber company.They
> moulded a lot of industrial stuff including conveyor belting.They are/
> were a true multinational.

It appears the power transmission side went to Eriks.Here`s the real
Fenner website.
http://www.fenner.com/
Salamanda - 10 Jul 2009 07:29 GMT
Fenner's were taken over by "ERIKS"  Have you tried BSL.

>>> My Fenners book lists 12-groove at 185mm pitch dia, product code
>>> 215L2412, taperlock bush number 2517.
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> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
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David Billington - 09 Jul 2009 23:02 GMT
> Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
> size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk
>  
Peter,

Not sure about your request but I designed an item using the published
Contitech details for poly V belts and then contacted Contitech for a
supplier and was given Wyko, what a waste of time, they took my details
and said they'd get back to me 3 times in the course of a week before I
twigged and went back to Contitech for an alternate supplier. I was
given "Stewart Vaughan & Co Ltd" in London and they said they had the
belts in stock and shipped the next day before the cheque cleared. Now I
only wanted 2 belts but the  Wyko lot will likely never get any  orders
from me,  while the  other will be given preference. The belts I wanted
were 290 J 6 and were £5.97 + VAT each about 2.5 years ago.
Peter A Forbes - 10 Jul 2009 09:43 GMT
>Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
>size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?

Just an update, I have emailed SIT Spa in Italy, and have also contacted Brammer
in the UK.

SIT Spa have the pulley on their system, the girl at Brammer Milton Keynes went
away and promised to call back.


Peter
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Peter A Forbes - 10 Jul 2009 13:48 GMT
>>Does anyone know of a UK supplier that would carry the Poly-V pulleys in the 'L'
>>size of belts (4.70mm groove pitch) ?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Peter

Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.

No word from the Italians yet, they have a 10-groove.
Peter
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mark - 10 Jul 2009 15:22 GMT
> Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.

> Peter A Forbes
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterfor...@prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.eu

Brammer,Livingston want £49.20 for the pulley,that`s for a 10 groove.
How many do you want?

Mark.
Peter A Forbes - 10 Jul 2009 17:52 GMT
>> Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Mark.

Great, thanks, Mark!

One, with a 50mm shaft taper-lock.

How come they have them but their MK girl says she can't find them?

Peter
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mark - 10 Jul 2009 18:38 GMT
> >> Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterfor...@prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.eu

Peter,it`s probably the same old story,depends who answers the
phone.I`ll get a price for the t/lock tomorrow and email you.
Mark.
Tim - 10 Jul 2009 19:00 GMT
> > >> Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> phone.I`ll get a price for the t/lock tomorrow and email you.
> Mark.

I asked the question of the local Eriks after lunch, they can offer a
10 groove but she hasn't got back to me with a price. I think (from
past enquiries) they keep some popular sizes in their own stock,
anything else they get in from Contitech so have to check with them re
price & availability.

Tim
Peter A Forbes - 10 Jul 2009 20:31 GMT
>Peter,it`s probably the same old story,depends who answers the
>phone.I`ll get a price for the t/lock tomorrow and email you.
>Mark.

Thanks, Mark:

If you give us the contact details, we can pay for it over the phone, saves you
the hassle :-))

Peter
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Tim - 13 Jul 2009 13:53 GMT
> Brammer want £102 plus VAT, Transmission Developments £58, both for 12-groove.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterfor...@prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.co.ukhttp://www.prepair.eu

For the record, Eriks have just come back to me saying they can't find
a 10-groove after all, and a 12-groove would be about the same price
that Peter was quoted by Brammers.

Tim
mark - 13 Jul 2009 18:41 GMT
> For the record, Eriks have just come back to me saying they can't find
> a 10-groove after all, and a 12-groove would be about the same price
> that Peter was quoted by Brammers.
>
> Tim

Tim,
Eriks are a total disaster.Periodically I will ask them to quote
something I buy regularly from Brammer just to keep up to date with
prices.They are always between 2 and 4 times the Brammer price.

Mark.
Tim - 13 Jul 2009 22:39 GMT
> > For the record, Eriks have just come back to me saying they can't find
> > a 10-groove after all, and a 12-groove would be about the same price
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Mark.

Mark
My experience has been a bit different, I've been generally
unimpressed by the local BSL (haven't tried them since the change of
identity).
I've used the local Fenners/Eriks whatever since they were Dick
Bearings, they generally seem to have looked after me at least where
bearings are concerned. I needed a £1000 roller thrust bearing last
year at fairly short notice, BSL just didn't seem interested, I tried
some other sources but nobody came up with anything concrete in the
time available, the quotes I did get were quite a bit higher than
Eriks.
Unfortunately their local 'bearing man' left a few months ago, I've
only had odds & sods from them since then but as yet no complaints.

Tim
Tim - 25 Jul 2009 17:31 GMT
> > For the record, Eriks have just come back to me saying they can't find
> > a 10-groove after all, and a 12-groove would be about the same price
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Mark.

Just a follow up with my recent experience.
I wanted five ball bearings, run of the mill stuff, two oil seals and
a big L16 polyvee belt. Tried Brammers (who did seem much more
interested in the job than BSL were last time I tried) and Eriks. The
expensive item was the belt (around 80 quid, roughly half the total),
Eriks were quite a bit cheaper by about 20 quid. The bearings,
brammers were slightly cheaper on each one. The killer was one of the
oil seals, Brammers quoted me about 7 quid, Eriks wanted about £35!!
It's not a very common size, I think it was going to be made to order.
I pointed this out & they tried again, & did eventually beat Brammers
total. Based on that one exercise, I'd be happy dealing with the local
branch of either.

Tim
Julian - 25 Jul 2009 18:20 GMT
On 13 July, 18:41, mark <m...@ems-fife.co.uk> wrote:
> > For the record, Eriks have just come back to me saying they can't find
> > a 10-groove after all, and a 12-groove would be about the same price
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Mark.

Just a follow up with my recent experience.
I wanted five ball bearings, run of the mill stuff, two oil seals and
a big L16 polyvee belt. Tried Brammers (who did seem much more
interested in the job than BSL were last time I tried) and Eriks. The
expensive item was the belt (around 80 quid, roughly half the total),
Eriks were quite a bit cheaper by about 20 quid. The bearings,
brammers were slightly cheaper on each one. The killer was one of the
oil seals, Brammers quoted me about 7 quid, Eriks wanted about £35!!
It's not a very common size, I think it was going to be made to order.
I pointed this out & they tried again, & did eventually beat Brammers
total. Based on that one exercise, I'd be happy dealing with the local
branch of either.

Tim

Tim, just in case you haven't come across these guys:

http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/

They are just up the top of Warrington (Leigh I think) and the chap on the
phone was most helpful getting me bearings and seals for a recent gearbox
rebuild. I think he was very reasonable on price too.

Julian.
Tim - 25 Jul 2009 19:14 GMT
> On 13 July, 18:41, mark <m...@ems-fife.co.uk> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Julian.

Thanks Julian.
I actually tried them, they didn't answer the phone!

Tim
Peter A Forbes - 26 Jul 2009 08:26 GMT
Just to mention that Mark came through with the pulley for us, a big 'Thank You'
to him, it did us a big favour!

Peter
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