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DC Electric motor help please

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John - 23 Dec 2009 23:19 GMT
As I have little understanding about electricity apart from being able
to follow simple wiring diagrams I would like some help with a project
I have in mind.

I have a DC electric motor, which if it is suitable, I would like to
use on my Atlas Lathe to give variable speed control. The motor was
taken off a Philips washing machine about ten years ago but had had
only one year of use. It is marked

Polymotor Italiana ApA, DC P.M. Motor A1 M02 Class E

and

22    5    110     800            85
 V    A    W     RPM         % Duty
200    1.8    360    10,500            15

I would like to know what this motor is equivalent to in the terms of
wattage or horsepower compared to a single phase AC motor.

If the motor is suitable a second problem arises. I have all the motor
control equipment that came out of the washing machine including the
variable speed control, but no wiring diagram. This is despite a
considerable amount of time searching on the internet. Any ideas on
how to work out a wiring diagram from the parts I have would be
appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation.

John H
Bob Minchin - 24 Dec 2009 07:25 GMT
> As I have little understanding about electricity apart from being able
> to follow simple wiring diagrams I would like some help with a project
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>
> John H

You will need the controller and to get the wiring from the
manufacturer/washer serviceman inorder to run this motor which is
designed to run under closed loop control. There will be a tacho
generator on the motor which tells the controller how fast it is going
and changes the voltage accordingly. the controller has two speeds wash
and spin. Wash is not powerful enough at 1/8 hp but spin power is just
about ok for a small lathe.
360 watts is about 1/2 hp but the motor will be turning at 10500 rpm!!

I have seen people use the big pulley off the drum to get the speed down
to something manageable.

However, your motor is only rated to spend 15% of the time at the 1/2 hp
setting - 9 minutes in every hour!

The motor is almost certainly open frame and therefore needs protecting
from swarf and yet keeping cool otherwise the 9 minutes will have to be
reduced even further.

Overall it is not a good idea to use these motors for machine tools.
Buy a 4 pole 3 phase induction motor and an inverter from somewhere like
the inverter supermarket and you will have a much more suitable solution.

Bob
Harry Bloomfield - 24 Dec 2009 10:00 GMT
John wrote on 23/12/2009 :
> 22    5    110      800             85
>   V    A    W      RPM          % Duty
> 200    1.8    360    10,500             15

That is rated about 1/2 of an HP at its full speed of 10.5K RPM. As you
will probably need to reduce that speed by around 10:1 or more it will
loose even more HP. These type of motors usually provide some sort of
speed feedback to the controller, so the motor can be set to a fairly
precise speed. It will also have a limited duty cycle when producing
maximum power, with lots of time needed to recover and cool down again.
You might be able to improve on that with some forced air cooling.

I would doubt the controller is of much use, other than to use for
components to build something more appropriate. It will be run time
limited for one and probably has a pic or microprocessor controlling
and ramping up its speed gradually, unless you can find some means to
bypass these controls. What you need is a series of speed switches, or
a pot to set the speed.

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       Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

John - 26 Dec 2009 14:23 GMT
Thanks to Bob and Harry for the info, and for the suggestion of the
Inverter Supermarket.

Three phase was something I had thought about and the advice
definitely confirms it is the way to go.

Now does anybody need a motor and controller to fit a 1979 Philips
washing machine!!

Happy New Year to everybody.

John H
mark - 26 Dec 2009 15:18 GMT
> Thanks to Bob and Harry for the info, and for the suggestion of the
> Inverter Supermarket.
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>
> John H

i hear they make good wind turbine generators ...

all the best.markj
 
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