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Model Forum / General / Models / April 2010Steel rod, unusual sizes
I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. Ideally I'd like a range of sizes around it ( ie 2.55 or an imperial/wire gauge equivalent ). Haven't been able to find an off the shelf source for such material - anyone have any pointers, or is this likely to be a special order? Cheers,  SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual > I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild > would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. > Ideally I'd like a range of sizes around it ( ie 2.55 or an > imperial/wire gauge equivalent ). > Haven't been able to find an off the shelf source for such material - > anyone have any pointers, or is this likely to be a special order? As 2.6mm (0.1024 in) is close to 1/10", which does not seem to be a size of silver steel stocked by British suppliers, perhaps searching sites in the USA for 1/10" drill rod (the American name for slver steel) might be successful as imperial measurements are the standard there. Maybe asking in an American based engineering group might come up with a source. Alan Signaturealan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC "Stephen Howard" wrote... > I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild > would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. > Ideally I'd like a range of sizes around it ( ie 2.55 or an > imperial/wire gauge equivalent ). > Haven't been able to find an off the shelf source for such material - > anyone have any pointers, or is this likely to be a special order? Have you tried a decent model (i.e. model planes etc.) shop? Most of 'em stock a variety of sizes of "piano wire" for making springs, undercarriages for planes etc. - you might have to take a micrometer / vernier to measure it though! Dave H. Signature(The engineer formerly known as Homeless) "Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader > I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild > would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Woodwind repairs & period restorations > Author, Haynes Saxophone Manualhttp://www.shwoodwind.co.ukhttp://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual Try MSC/J&L for some "drill blanks". This HSS material is available in "number" sizes the nearest of which would be 39 (2.527mm) or 38 (2.578mm). Now the down side, it is only available in about 2.5" lengths. T.W. > > I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild > > would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > lengths. > T.W. Got that wrong, 37 (2.642mm) is nearest, like they say measure twice cut once, or better still read the specs first. T.W. >I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild >would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Cheers, Get some SS centreless ground at your local friendly grinders? How much in total do you need? Richard > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:20:03 +0000, Stephen Howard > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > How much in total do you need? > Richard Stephen, 2.6mm stainless is probably a 'dental' size. So 'Ash'( not Sam Ash) might help 2.5mm in silver steel is available from people like Cromwell Tools. Otherwise, you should be looking at clockmaking suppliers ( or musical instrument makers-ouch) Oddly, are you interested in a supply of African Blackwood billets and a chunk of rosewood.? Offered to my wife's musical mates- but heigh ho-no go. Norm On Apr 16, 10:47 pm, ravensworth2674 <nor...@n-atkinson.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:20:03 +0000, Stephen Howard > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - from ravensworth2674 > Oddly, are you interested in a supply of African Blackwood billets and > a chunk of rosewood.? Could be. What size? JG > from ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > JG Sorry - not interested. N >> <seesig...@email.uk> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> >Cheers, >Stephen, > 2.6mm stainless is probably a 'dental' size. So [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a chunk of rosewood.? >Offered to my wife's musical mates- but heigh ho-no go. There's a woodwind materials supply company that does steel rod slightly larger ( .103 inch - 2.62mm ), but that will mean tracking down an appropriate hand reamer. It's currently looking like I'll have to have the rod custom ground. Ta for the offer of the wood, but I've got a fair few bits and pieces - probably enough to last me a lifetime, as I tend not to use much of it for the sort of work I do. Regards, SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual > On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Reamers??? Northumbrian pipemakers use D bits made out of silver steel. You could dunk a bit of the rod in Kasenit- as the old clockmakers did Norman >Reamers??? Northumbrian pipemakers use D bits made out of silver >steel. > >You could dunk a bit of the rod in Kasenit- as the old clockmakers did I'm considering the D bit method as it's only going to be used on brass, and it might turn out to be the only sensible ( i.e. inexpensive ) option. Migh have a chat with Brian Howard about it. Regards, SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual > On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:17:49 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674 > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Woodwind repairs & period restorations > Author, Haynes Saxophone Manualhttp://www.shwoodwind.co.ukhttp://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual Stephen, Isn't it worth checking to see whether a 2.5mm drill will cut oversize anyway. If your drill chuck is not perfect and your 2.5 drill the same, the whole caboodle might cut oversize anyway. There is a lot of worn tooling which might accommodate such challenges. Of course, it ain't in the book- is it? Cheers N >Stephen, > Isn't it worth checking to see whether a 2.5mm drill [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >N Trouble is, I have to fit a pivot rod into various lengths of tube, some as short as 5 or 6mm - and without sufficient accuracy the shaft will wobble. I can get so far with the overcut method, but it requires lapping to achieve the accuracy required...and that's a step I'd like to do away with. Regards, SignatureSteve ( out in the sticks ) Email: Take time to reply: timefrom_usenet{at}gmx.net > >> Stephen, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > A method I was shown for making hinges for metal boxes etc in a metalsmithing class was to make a rough fitting tube around the hinge pin then draw the tube down around the pin using a draw plate. That produces a very good fit between the parts, you cut the tube into the sections required and solder up the hinge. Sounds like it might be worth a try and save you having to find suitable rod. Draw plates are readily available from jewellers suppliers. >> >A method I was shown for making hinges for metal boxes etc in a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >a try and save you having to find suitable rod. Draw plates are readily >available from jewellers suppliers. Can't use that method ( I use a similar method with a special pair of swedging pliers ) as there's a lacquered finish to content with. Regards, SignatureSteve ( out in the sticks ) Email: Take time to reply: timefrom_usenet{at}gmx.net > Oddly, are you interested in a supply of African Blackwood billets and > a chunk of rosewood.? > Offered to my wife's musical mates- but heigh ho-no go. Sizes & quantites, Norm? SignatureCharles Lamont > > Oddly, are you interested in a supply of African Blackwood billets and > > a chunk of rosewood.? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Charles Lamont Charles, As Blackwood/Grenadilla is in terribly short supply for musical instrument making and repair even the turnings are being mixed with epoxies and re-used. So unless you are making or repairing, I'd prefer not to part with it Hope this doesn't offend anyone. Norman > I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild > would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Woodwind repairs & period restorations > Author, Haynes Saxophone Manualhttp://www.shwoodwind.co.ukhttp://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual Stephen, sorry a bit late to this thread but I'll have a look and measure up tomorrow as a few years ago I cleared out a toolmakers shop and there were loads of odd sized ground bars in bins. I grabbed a few handfuls and they are sitting in a box somewhere, need daylight and a rope round my middle and a pocket full of breadcrumbs before I start looking. John S. >Stephen, sorry a bit late to this thread but I'll have a look and >measure up tomorrow as a few years ago I cleared out a toolmakers shop [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >daylight and a rope round my middle and a pocket full of breadcrumbs >before I start looking. Ta for the offer - but I managed to track down a supply of Imperial silver steel rods that come in at 2.62mm - which is close enough for jazz. Knocked up a couple of D reamers and so far the results are encouraging! Regards, SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual >I need a source of 2.6mm steel rod - silver steel preferably, but mild >would do. Only needs to be 6 inches long at minimum. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Cheers, Stephen, Don't know if there is a particular reason why you need silver steel - do you need to machine it? If not, or if grinding will get you the shape you need, then you might find the HSS drill blanks from Drill Service Co will provide the size you need. http://www.drill-service.co.uk/Product.asp?Parent=240220000000&Tool=363 (By one of those interesting co-incidences, I just received a marketing newsletter from them.) If not, well perhaps other readers will find the reference useful. David SignatureDavid Littlewood >Stephen, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >If not, well perhaps other readers will find the reference useful. Silver steel, because I can make reamers out of it - and because it has to serve as a pivot rod inside a tube it's helpful if it's accurate. I also have to cut a thread on one end. I had a look at drill blanks, but they're not long enough. Surprising lack of response from steel companies to my enquiry emails - only West Yorkshire steel had the courtesy to get back to me to say 'sorry, no can do'. Regards, SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual >Surprising lack of response from steel companies to my enquiry emails >- only West Yorkshire steel had the courtesy to get back to me to say >'sorry, no can do'. ...and College Engineering. Regards, SignatureSteve ( out in the sticks ) Email: Take time to reply: timefrom_usenet{at}gmx.net >Stephen, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >David Having figured out that I'm stuck with using 2.62mm (.103") dia. rods, I had a look at the drill-service site and found they do .103 machine reamers from stock! I spent an entertaining couple of days making D bit reamers up without the use of a lathe before finding that drill-service sell the correct reamer for a tenner. They can even make up a custom hand reamer for about £28 delivered. I ordered a machine reamer which arrived next day - and while my D bit reamers did the job, the spiral machine reamer is a whole lot better. I am officially sorted, thanks guys! Regards, SignatureStephen Howard Woodwind repairs & period restorations Author, Haynes Saxophone Manual http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/HaynesSaxManual >>Stephen, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I am officially sorted, thanks guys! Stephen, Glad it was useful! I have bought some machine reamers from them, they have a very extensive range, as you found, and the prices are good. Well worth bookmarking. David SignatureDavid Littlewood |
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