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Axminster ZX15M Mill/Drill

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Russell Eberhardt - 23 Apr 2004 10:48 GMT
Does anyone have any experience/comments on this milling machine and
its suitability for model engineering use?  My main concern is the
rather high bottom speed.  It looks identical to the Chester Champion
but from a supplier with a better reputation for service.

Russell.
Norman Billingham - 23 Apr 2004 10:18 GMT
> Does anyone have any experience/comments on this milling machine and
> its suitability for model engineering use?  My main concern is the
> rather high bottom speed.  It looks identical to the Chester Champion
> but from a supplier with a better reputation for service.

No, but general good experience with Axminster kit.

Usual problems with these machines are a) the vertical feed is not easily
controlled because of backlash (you can fit a cheap DRO) and b) because of
the round column, if you raise or lower the head during a job, you lose
axial alignment.

On the other hand the cheapest mills that don't have these problems are very
much costlier and very much bigger as far as I know
Dalton - 23 Apr 2004 15:06 GMT
>>Does anyone have any experience/comments on this milling machine and
>>its suitability for model engineering use?  My main concern is the
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> On the other hand the cheapest mills that don't have these problems are very
> much costlier and very much bigger as far as I know

thew loss of axial may not look too bad at first...I have a warco GH
major and that sufferes badly with the same problem :( you suddenly
realise there is 5mm less than you need to get that dam drill bit
in....so a quick crank of the handle and there goes the datums :(
Then again at the price...you have to give a little bit of leaway :(

cheers D
Mark Howard - 23 Apr 2004 20:24 GMT
I have a Chester Champion (now upgraded to a Warco dovetailed column
machine) which I am quite happy with - I still use it, but mainly as a
better alternative to drill press). A very good and surprisingly robust
machine for the money. The high bottom speed is a minor issue but if used
within it's capabilities, this didn't present a problem. I have not tried
Administer but (contrary to others experience) I had no difficulties with
Chester (I bought a lathe from them as well).

Like others, I would always recommend a dovetailed column machine wherever
possible because of the head re-alignment problems experienced whenever the
need arises to lower or raise the head during an operation.

Mark

> Does anyone have any experience/comments on this milling machine and
> its suitability for model engineering use?  My main concern is the
> rather high bottom speed.  It looks identical to the Chester Champion
> but from a supplier with a better reputation for service.
>
> Russell.
Martin L - 25 Apr 2004 10:38 GMT
I have had a ZX25 for about 2 years if that is any help. In that time
I have only had 2 faults:

1) The screw that holds the leadscrew in the table fell out, and
jammed the table, took a bit of stripping down to sort.

2) Something went wrong with the gear that lowers the head. I don't
know what, as a strip and reassemble fixed it.

I don't recall ever using the lowest speed anyway. I like the look of
the 15 with the rotating head, but I get away with an angle vice
(about £25 from Axminster) and a little Ajax horizontal miller. The 25
looks as though it can work a lot harder for about the same price.

Axminsters delivery charges are a bit steep as well, I got mine on
some sort of offer with low delivery charge.

>Does anyone have any experience/comments on this milling machine and
>its suitability for model engineering use?  My main concern is the
>rather high bottom speed.  It looks identical to the Chester Champion
>but from a supplier with a better reputation for service.
>
>Russell.
Russell Eberhardt - 25 Apr 2004 11:27 GMT
Thanks for the replies chaps.

I hadn't thought of the head alignment problem.  I guess it's just a
case of thinking ahead (isn't it always?).

I had considered the ZX25 but thought that the tilting head might be
an advantage - on the other hand most of the time it has to be set
straight which may be a bit tedious to get right.  Anyway I want a
relatively light machine that I can put in the back of an estate car
when I come to England in the summer.  French prices are horrendous!

Regards,
Russell.
GeoffH - 26 Apr 2004 10:22 GMT
>. . . .  French prices are horrendous!
Hello Russell,
Could you give examples please.
Which part of France are you in and does your equipment suffer from
rust?
I ask, because I am thinking of moving to France myself.
Regards
Geoff
Norfolk - UK
Russell Eberhardt - 27 Apr 2004 18:42 GMT
>>. . . .  French prices are horrendous!
>Hello Russell,
>Could you give examples please.
>Which part of France are you in and does your equipment suffer from
>rust?
>I ask, because I am thinking of moving to France myself.

Have a look at http://www.htk.fr/ for example.  They have the
equivalent of the Chester Conquest mill at 1325 euro and the smallest
25mm mill-drill at about the same price.

I am near Perpignan and there is certainly no problem with rust on
tools here.  Last winter we had a mild frost on two nights only! Ther
seems to be very little model engineering activity here and what there
is seems to be mainly in the north and east of the country, a bit like
England I guess.

I retired and moved here just over a year ago and have no regrets.

Regards,
Russell
GeoffH - 28 Apr 2004 11:08 GMT
>I am near Perpignan and there is certainly no problem with rust on
>tools here.  Last winter we had a mild frost on two nights only! Ther
>seems to be very little model engineering activity here and what there
>is seems to be mainly in the north and east of the country, a bit like
>England I guess.
Thanks for the response.
Music to my ears the no rust part.
Here in Norfolk everything rusts in front of my eyes.
Very disheartening to say the least.

>I retired and moved here just over a year ago and have no regrets.
I have emailed you.
Cheers
GeoffH
Norfolk - UK
GeoffH - 28 Apr 2004 11:27 GMT
Russell,
Did not check the obvious before sending you email :-)
Remove nospam from mine.
GeoffH
Russell Eberhardt - 30 Apr 2004 09:27 GMT
>Russell,
>Did not check the obvious before sending you email :-)
>Remove nospam from mine.
>GeoffH
Hi Geof,
Tried emailing you but neither of your addresses seem to work at
present.  The liamtoh.com one gives a host not found error and the
hotmail one gives a site destination queue overflow.  Try emailing me
at russell @ eberhardt.org.uk removing the spaces.
Russell.
 
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