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I've outgrown my Myford

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steamer - 02 Sep 2010 19:19 GMT
    --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
(in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
curious what others have adopted as a 'standard' larger lathe: is there any
concensus?

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David Littlewood - 02 Sep 2010 19:50 GMT
>       --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
>(in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
>curious what others have adopted as a 'standard' larger lathe: is there any
>concensus?

In my case, a Harrison M300 - 6.5" centre height, very good speed range
and threadcutting abilities, reasonable availability of accessories,
D1-4 fitting is easy to find. One of the best improvements over the
Myford is the 1.5" bore through spindle (marvellous, once you have
experienced it you won't want to live without it. A D1-4 collet chuck
and a set of multi-size collets was perhaps the most versatile accessory
I have bought for it; the sizeable number of Dickson toolholders I
needed was financially crippling but worth it.

Very similar in dimensions to the Colchester Master 2500, slightly less
robust but the 3 HP motor is easier to accommodate (through a VFD) than
the 5 HP on the Master.

Weights over 680 kg, was very impressive to watch Chris of Home &
Workshop move it into position by lifting one end by himself!!

I did seriously consider the various oriental imports of similar size,
which I could probably have got cheaper, but I thought I would only wish
I had gone for the real deal.

Still have the S7, and use it a lot - it's perhaps a little more
versatile, and I have made/bought such a lot of bits for it.

David
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Drawfiler - 02 Sep 2010 22:13 GMT
> In article <4c7feabd$0$1657$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, steamer
> <stea...@sonic.net> writes>       --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
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> --
> David Littlewood

I also favour the M300 but it depends on the money you have to spend,
I think a smaller machine as well is very useful so you end up with
both! If you have the room and large ambitions a used Dean Smith and
Grace is wonderful to have but just that bit bigger.
Peter
David Billington - 02 Sep 2010 23:45 GMT
>>       --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
>> (in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
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> David
I'll add a 2nd or is that 3rd now for the M300. I started with a tired
Kerry 1140, still have it for some uses, and wanted a newer better
condition machine and settled on the M300. In both cases 40" (1m)
between centres. While I don't use it often the between centres distance
came in useful often enough that I wouldn't buy shorter. Your use may
well vary though. BTW my M300 is a gap bed so will swing short items to
18", I did a double take when I saw the face plate that came with the
lathe when I bought it. I got mine from http://www.gandmtools.co.uk as
it came up at the right time and the price was acceptable, with a short
haggle, including the 125 mile or so delivery.
Richard Shute - 03 Sep 2010 10:06 GMT
>    --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
>(in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
>curious what others have adopted as a 'standard' larger lathe: is there any
>concensus?

As a part-way step between the S7 and heavier iron like a Harrison, a
Boxford is usefully bigger (4-1/2 or 5" centre height depending on
era) and a lot more robust - and excellent value fo rmoney compared to
a Myford with heaps of reasonably priced accessories around.

I've personally got a Smart & Brown 1024 which is somewhat smaller in
capacity than the M300, but about twice the weigh and a good deal more
esoteric making accessories hard to come by, but it _is_ a cracking
machine.  

Richard

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jontom1_uk - 03 Sep 2010 16:56 GMT
>         --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
> (in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
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Hi, long time since I posted so I have to remember how.  "Concensus"
are you mad? we engineers don't even do compromise :-)
My first comment would be that you never grow out of a Myford merely
find occaisional need for a larger machine - I have supplemented mine
with larger machines but still use it a great deal. They are like an
old sweater you have to keep the wife throwing them in the bin.

From the first answers it would seem that everyone has a Harrison,
they are fine lathes but I suspect not that common in California. The
similar Colchester would I suspect be more available under its' other
name on that side of the pond. The first thing I noted with the larger
machines was that if you thought Myford bits were expensive, prepare
for a shock. Particularly if you try to buy OEM, new. Unless you are
much more fortunate than I (fairly easy I suspect) secondhand is hard
to find and can be a bit of a lottery as to its' condition. Many
lathes spring to mind depending on the "increase" you want to achieve.
The most popular seem to be 12" lathes like those already mentioned,
particularly one with a gap bed like the Myford. Of course as the
capacity increases the weight of the lathe rises even more quickly to
achieve adequate stiffness at the increased diameter, so available
room and access is also a key issue. Hardinge,Monarch, DSG etc all
made fine machines but most will have seen a lot of work by now. If a
10" lathe of fairly light build would do the job then the Maximat is a
very fair lathe. Of course if you are not concerned by price then the
larger industraial Schaublin will give you both the capacity and an
even better "feel" than the Myford.

Now to the "wash my mouth out" comment, the import machines round the
12 - 13" range are very popular and have become so for a reason - not
just the cheapness but also the easy availability and reasonably
priced accessories. Buy wisely though they do differ considerably in
quality although all look alike on the surface. I find my 12x36 import
fine as a second larger machine to my Myford but doubt that I could
live with it as an only lathe.

Apologies for stating the obvious but I don't know of a larger size
machine that has the same reputation and user base as the Myford.

Best regards

Keith
steamer - 03 Sep 2010 18:12 GMT
    --Fear not gang I'll never toss the Myford; I must use it a couple
of times a week for any number of things. But 2 weeks back I took on a job
that was just too gnarly for the poor beastie: 3" lengths of 3-1/2" dia 304
stainless bar and I had to bore them out to something like 2-3/4" i.d.
There's no room for a chuck large enough to grip these properly so I had to
use the outside jaws which meant I was gripping the parts by about 3/8" of
their length. The torque generated from the cutting tool, even taking
shallow cuts, was just too much for the chuck's gripping power. I wound up
farming the job out to another shop and I'm thinking I would have preferred
to put that money towards a bigger lathe.
    --Harrison M300 looks very promising. Neat to find out that it's
similar to a Colchester. Clausing-Colchester was their name once upon a time
so there's a chance I can find something on this side of the pond (I'm in
Northern California). Wouldn't mind importing some good 'old iron' tho!
    --Boxford: good to know there is a variety of accessories and spares
to be had: like most folks I've modified my Myford a bit and the next lathe
will follow that trend ;-)    

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Mark Rand - 03 Sep 2010 18:24 GMT
>    --Boxford: good to know there is a variety of accessories and spares
>to be had: like most folks I've modified my Myford a bit and the next lathe
>will follow that trend ;-)    

Boxford would translate to South Bend 9"

The Hardinge's aren't really much of a step up from a Myford. Much heavier, 2"
more useful swing. 1" more if you work near the headstock, but no backgear, so
useless for large stuff.

DSG obviously in a class of their own, with some penetration into the US.
Might be worth keeping an eye out for any Grazianos in the neighbourhood.

You could always give Gunner a call!

Good Hunting :-)

Mark Rand
RTFM
Emimec - 03 Sep 2010 21:51 GMT
> --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
> (in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
> curious what others have adopted as a 'standard' larger lathe: is there
> any
> concensus?

Some nice stuff on eBay M300 lathe Item number: 320584978422
David Littlewood - 06 Sep 2010 16:54 GMT
>> --Have reached a point where I need a lathe with greater capacity
>> (in terms of diameter that can be held in a chuck) than my Super 7B. I'm
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>Some nice stuff on eBay M300 lathe Item number: 320584978422

Yes, I noticed that one; it's one of the nicest examples I've seen on
eBay, been looking (for accessories) for the last couple of years. If it
goes for anything remotely near the current price it would be a bargain.

David
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steamer - 16 Sep 2010 18:13 GMT
    --Update: finally got in touch with the US distributor, Clausing.
The price for a new M-300 is $11,000 plus tax. Sigh.. Definitely gotta buy
used so am taking my time to do it right..

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David Littlewood - 16 Sep 2010 18:59 GMT
>       --Update: finally got in touch with the US distributor, Clausing.
>The price for a new M-300 is $11,000 plus tax. Sigh.. Definitely gotta buy
>used so am taking my time to do it right..

That's actually cheaper than most new Myford Super 7s - see

http://www.myford.com/

.... but I kind of see what you mean; second hand ones do give you much
more bang for your buck (literally in your case).

David
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Mark Rand - 16 Sep 2010 19:52 GMT
>    --Update: finally got in touch with the US distributor, Clausing.
>The price for a new M-300 is $11,000 plus tax. Sigh.. Definitely gotta buy
>used so am taking my time to do it right..

Cheaper than a Myford then :-)

Mark Rand
RTFM
Peter Fairbrother - 16 Sep 2010 20:53 GMT
>>     --Update: finally got in touch with the US distributor, Clausing.
>> The price for a new M-300 is $11,000 plus tax. Sigh.. Definitely gotta buy
>> used so am taking my time to do it right..
>
> Cheaper than a Myford then :-)

Cheaper than most new Myfords, but not all - the cheapest new basic
model Myford super 7 plus is £6,502 without tax, or $10,149.62.

Of course with UK tax that's $11,925.80 - so if the US tax is less than
8.4%, which I believe it often is, then the UK with-tax price of even
the cheapest model Myford is more than the price of a M-300 ..

</pedant mode>

-- Peter Fairbrother
David Billington - 16 Sep 2010 21:00 GMT
>     --Update: finally got in touch with the US distributor, Clausing.
> The price for a new M-300 is $11,000 plus tax. Sigh.. Definitely gotta buy
> used so am taking my time to do it right..
>
>  
I got a quote for one in 2001  which included coolant pump tank and
fittings, 160mm super precision 3 jaw chuck, 205mm 4 jaw chuck, quick
change toolpost with 4 holders and 1 plain bore holder, and a few other
standard things.

£10890 + VAT for 25" and £11640 + VAT for the 40".

I bought second hand.
 
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