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Bachmann Class 37 Loch Rannoch 37408 For Sale

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Emma - 20 Jun 2004 20:31 GMT
I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for sale on
ebay, if your interested please check out the following url:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5905409156&ssPageName=ADME:
B:LC:UK:1


Regards
Emma
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Rich Mackin - 20 Jun 2004 20:46 GMT
> I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for sale on
> ebay, if your interested please check out the following url:

One of my MAJOR e-bay pet hates is when people stick things like "Lima
Hornby" into the auction's subject title so it shows up in more search
results! >:(

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John Ruddy - 20 Jun 2004 21:25 GMT
>One of my MAJOR e-bay pet hates is when people stick things like "Lima
>Hornby" into the auction's subject title so it shows up in more search
>results! >:(

It does seem self defeating to me - after all, people are likely to be
searching for something specific by Hornby or Lima - not any old model
made by them!
MartinS - 20 Jun 2004 23:01 GMT
> "Emma" <e.thompson@army.mod.uk.net> wrote...
>> I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "Lima Hornby" into the auction's subject title so it shows up in
> more search results! >:(

Emma is well-known for spamming her eBay stuff on here.

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Chris Wilson - 20 Jun 2004 23:53 GMT
> > "Emma" <e.thompson@army.mod.uk.net> wrote...
> >> I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for
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>
> Emma is well-known for spamming her eBay stuff on here.

I think in all fairness it has to be pointed out that she doesn't post that
often and the charter does allow commercial posts (within reason) and
despite the description which also gets on my t**s with a start price of £1
which unlike some ebay "professionals" doesn't appear to exploitative. If I
remember correctly she also sends the odd non-commercial post this way as
well ... unlike several.

... and no I'm not related ... and another "no", if it hasn't got a tender
... or at least a bunker and tanks I'm not interested. ;-)

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UncleWobbly - 21 Jun 2004 00:53 GMT
yep... "Lima (not Farish)" or "RARE" when it isn't -
aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range..."

> > I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for sale on
> > ebay, if your interested please check out the following url:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
> MSN Messenger: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com
csp - 21 Jun 2004 05:39 GMT
If you have such an objection it would have been nice to have dropped me
an email, unlike who ever it was who went moaning to ebay.

I don't commercially list locos unlike some on this news group, so I
hope no one minds the odd sale notice appearing, does not exactly take
up much bandwidth compared to all the other topics.

If anyone wants to discuss the subject please drop me an email direct,
its much nicer and I respond directly to the sender, and that way I can
answer any comments.

Regards
Emma

>>I have the following locomotive for sale 37408 Loch Rannoch for sale on
>>ebay, if your interested please check out the following url:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
> MSN Messenger: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

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UncleWobbly - 21 Jun 2004 07:29 GMT
AH! that would explain why the first link dint work.

Look Emma, if you are listing stuff in a misleading way, whether
deliberately or not, it is Joe Public's right and ebay's duty, to have the
matter corrected. Are you telling me that you have never been irritated by
having a search "corrupted" by stuff you don't want mainly by someone trying
to channel interest in their auction?

If it's Hornby, say "Hornby" not "Hornby/Lima"

Above all, don't start whinging that "someone grassed me up", it makes you
look small... have the conkers to fess up when you get caught out.

So, memo to Emma: list accurately. Then people have no need to get grumpy.

H

If you have such an objection it would have been nice to have dropped me
an email, unlike who ever it was who went moaning to ebay.
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The total rubbish quotes above is totally meaningless, especially when
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Chris Wilson - 21 Jun 2004 10:22 GMT
> In message <BwuBc.8$Mj3.2@newsfe2-win>, csp <csp@army.mod.uk.net> writes
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Yeah, but you know full well how much various companies and organisations
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The people I work for are just the same.

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MartinS - 21 Jun 2004 18:16 GMT
> "John Sullivan" <john@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>> csp <csp@army.mod.uk.net> writes
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> appended to their messages or not. The people I work for are just
> the same.

What's she doing advertising private sales on eBay from a company
computer? Emma seems to contribute very little to the hobby, although
admittedly she made an on-topic post yesterday. The vast majority of her
posts on this group are about buying and selling (presumably at a
handsome profit) so-called "rare" model locomotives.

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John Ruddy - 21 Jun 2004 18:48 GMT
>What's she doing advertising private sales on eBay from a company
>computer? Emma seems to contribute very little to the hobby, although
>admittedly she made an on-topic post yesterday. The vast majority of her
>posts on this group are about buying and selling (presumably at a
>handsome profit) so-called "rare" model locomotives.

She has made few contributions to this newsgroup, but that doesnt mean
she doesnt contribute to the hobby. The occaisional post about an
auction is allowed by the charter, and could be of interest to those
who dont spend every day on ebay. After all, more bandwidth has been
wasted talking about the alleged problem, that was used by the
original posting.
Chris Wilson - 21 Jun 2004 19:55 GMT
> > "John Sullivan" <john@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote...
> >> csp <csp@army.mod.uk.net> writes

...

> What's she doing advertising private sales on eBay from a company
> computer?

Who really cares?

> Emma seems to contribute very little to the hobby, although
> admittedly she made an on-topic post yesterday.

And not the first.

> The vast majority of her
> posts on this group are about buying and selling (presumably at a
> handsome profit) so-called "rare" model locomotives.

Starting price £1 ... pretty difficult to rip people off at those sort of
prices.

Seriously I don't see the point of having a go at a person who only
occasionally posts commercial messages and doesn't appear to rip people off.
Now if we were to be discussing one or two other particular ebay magnates
...

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James S - 22 Jun 2004 18:09 GMT
> > > "John Sullivan" <john@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote...
> > >> csp <csp@army.mod.uk.net> writes
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> Starting price £1 ... pretty difficult to rip people off at those sort of
> prices.

Is it really worth £73 and is it that rare? It's not a limited edition is it
so surely they'll make some more..

James
MartinS - 22 Jun 2004 19:55 GMT
> "Chris Wilson" <bounce@britwar.co.uk> wrote...
>> "MartinS" <me@my.place> wrote...
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> Is it really worth £73 and is it that rare? It's not a limited
> edition is it so surely they'll make some more..

Is that what it sold for, or what she claimed it was worth?
Strangely, the page is no longer available on eBay.

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> The total rubbish quotes above is totally meaningless, especially when
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> snip

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I'm sorry, but I cant accept you as a mature, reliable and self
important contributor until you have transalated your email appendage
into Welsh ;-)
John Sullivan - 22 Jun 2004 10:16 GMT
>I'm sorry, but I cant accept you as a mature, reliable and self
>important contributor until you have transalated your email appendage
>into Welsh ;-)

Cnach o'r bant  :-)
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Brian Williams - 22 Jun 2004 18:38 GMT
> >I'm sorry, but I cant accept you as a mature, reliable and self
> >important contributor until you have transalated your email appendage
> >into Welsh ;-)
>
> Cnach o'r bant  :-)
Is that how it's spelt, John- my dad would splutter when I asked him.
Noswaith da
Brian
John Sullivan - 22 Jun 2004 19:07 GMT
>> >I'm sorry, but I cant accept you as a mature, reliable and self
>> >important contributor until you have transalated your email appendage
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>Is that how it's spelt, John- my dad would splutter when I asked him.

I'm not sure if the verb is cnachu or cnychu. It's not something I can
find in any of my dictionaries. :-)

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Ac i chwi hefyd.
>Brian

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EverettPet - 22 Jun 2004 19:25 GMT
Shrewsbury Model Centre are advertising this very loco on their website for a
mere £47.99

Some other model shops don't seem to have it so I'm not sure how rare it
actually is.
Next item I sell on eBay will have the words 'rare' and 'hard to find' in the
description!
John Ruddy - 22 Jun 2004 20:47 GMT
>Shrewsbury Model Centre are advertising this very loco on their website for a
>mere £47.99
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Next item I sell on eBay will have the words 'rare' and 'hard to find' in the
>description!

At the end of the day with a starting price of £1 its not exactly a
rip off - the final price will just be what someone is prepared to pay
for the model. If they pay more than what it could be bought for
elsewhere, then that is their problem!
Emma - 23 Jun 2004 07:39 GMT
I think what John said below below sums up ebay, people are prepared to
pay what they feel they want to for a model based upon 2 factors:

How much they desire the locomotive

And how available it is,

In the case of 37408 Loch Rannoch, this locomotive is proofing very
difficult to get hold of and as a result the if you want to buy one then
it may be more expensive, kind of like property, depending upon how much
you desire a house and the competition, its all down to a simple law of
economics, supply and demand dictates value..

REGARDS
Emma

>>Shrewsbury Model Centre are advertising this very loco on their website for a
>>mere £47.99
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> for the model. If they pay more than what it could be bought for
> elsewhere, then that is their problem!

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Emma - 23 Jun 2004 07:48 GMT
I noticed that John Sullivan and some other members of the group were
discussing the message attached to the bottom of my postings.

As I have a computer provided through work, I have no option on the
wording is applied to all messages I send, either private or work
related inclusive of news group postings.

Just to settle a few odd comments, I am allowed to use my laptop for
personal use, including email and the internet.

And as for the Welsh stuff, sorry I do not speak welsh, this message was
applied via my IT desk, to keep those who I have to email in Wales
happy, I just hope that IT do not decide it should be in all the
languages of the European Union next, just imagine the length of the
foot note that would apply.

Hope this reply puts an end to comments.

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>I noticed that John Sullivan and some other members of the group were
>discussing the message attached to the bottom of my postings.
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>
>Hope this reply puts an end to comments.
Sorry.

All this message does is show that the people responsible for it do not
understand the law of contract. Apart from the statements of fact (i.e.
the "personal to the author" bit) the message is totally meaningless and
its terms are unenforceable. Since I have (obviously) not agreed to it,
I can do what I like with anything you might send in my direction,
whether accidentally or deliberately. The only way you can get any
disclaimer to be effective is to send out a preliminary mail saying "I
want to send you a mail but I will only do so if you agree to the
following conditions" and get agreement first before sending the mail.

I had a prime example of this some time ago, when I and quite a lot of
other people received a message addressed only to the author of the
message (with obviously everyone else listed as Bcc) trying to get us to
apply for jobs with their organisation. I complained to the person
mentioned in the disclaimer at the bottom of the mail, since I was
obviously not the intended recipient, and this person (a) did not
understand what I was on about even though I spelt it out very clearly,
and (b) couldn't care less.

Any organization that puts crap like that at the end of a message shows
its ignorance of the law of contract. What other laws are they ignorant
of? I would be very wary of doing any sort of business with them. It
also shows their lawyers up for their ignorance as well. And by
implication, it shows you up.

>Emma

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Emma - 25 Jun 2004 21:05 GMT
John,
You must have a lot of time on your hands to send such a lengthy
message, as I explained the ending is tagged on automatically and I
don't have a say on it.

If it causes you annoyance just ignore it.

Emma

> Sorry.
>
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>
>> Emma

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John Sullivan - 26 Jun 2004 08:13 GMT
>John,
>You must have a lot of time on your hands

Depends what you mean by "time on your hands". I'd just phoned in sick
to work (not to do with the footy as I'm bored stiff by a load of
poofters kicking a pig's bladder around) and was reading the mail and
news before going back to bed.

>to send such a lengthy message, as I explained the ending is tagged on
>automatically and I don't have a say on it.
>
>If it causes you annoyance just ignore it.

That wasn't a rant at you in particular, but organizations in general
that use those messages.

It is a bit difficult to ignore parts of a message until one has read
them to see if they ought to be ignored. Or are you suggesting that
everyone should ignore your messages?
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> IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual

> E&OE.

Nice one John, I'll steel that sig of you if I may and use it to a few
friends :-)
John Sullivan - 22 Jun 2004 20:36 GMT
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>> John Sullivan
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>Nice one John, I'll steel that sig of you if I may and use it to a few
>friends :-)

Help yourself. I stole it myself anyway.
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John Sullivan - 21 Jun 2004 07:52 GMT
In message <BwuBc.8$Mj3.2@newsfe2-win>, csp <csp@army.mod.uk.net> writes
>If you have such an objection it would have been nice to have dropped
>me an email, unlike who ever it was who went moaning to ebay.

What's the point? You don't listen to what we say. The only way to get
you to obey ebay's rules is to complain to ebay.

And no, it wasn't I who complained. I don't ever buy anything via ebay.
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Rich Mackin - 21 Jun 2004 07:59 GMT
> If you have such an objection it would have been nice to have dropped me
> an email, unlike who ever it was who went moaning to ebay.
>
> I don't commercially list locos unlike some on this news group, so I
> hope no one minds the odd sale notice appearing, does not exactly take
> up much bandwidth compared to all the other topics.

Who commerically lists locos? I can't recall such posts.

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EverettPet - 20 Jun 2004 20:51 GMT
I think the URL should be

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5905409156&ssPageN=
 
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