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Model Forum / General / Railroads / January 2005Bachmann 2005 new release predictions
A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on the following: BR Class 108 dmu BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T Best wishes, John Turner, 53A Models, Hull. > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on > the following: > > BR Class 108 dmu Presumably any colour you like so long as it's green?  SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson That's cwilson at britwar with a dot uk and dot co on the end. (Reply address is blackholed) http://www.the-dormouse.org - The Dormouse Line Model Railway - UPDATED > > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product > Bachmann > > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on > > the following: > > > > BR Class 108 dmu Could be nice, especially if they produce the correct intermediate coaches as well. > Presumably any colour you like so long as it's green? No ! How about Blue or West Yorkshire PTE.... > "Chris Wilson" <bounce@britwar.co.uk> wrote in message ... > > > the following: > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No ! How about Blue or West Yorkshire PTE.... If we've got to have those smelly diesel thingies then, No! green. SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson That's cwilson at britwar with a dot uk and dot co on the end. (Reply address is blackholed) http://www.the-dormouse.org - The Dormouse Line Model Railway - UPDATED > If we've got to have those smelly diesel thingies then, No! green. What's wrong with green? I think it compares well with the grimy excesses of Rail Blue or LU silver (look at that horror movie poster), let alone some of the more recent toddler-designed stuff and WAGN - I think - grey. I'm sure it may cause bad memories for steam lovers though, and the very early loco scheme can make a bad design look even worse. Mark. > > If we've got to have those smelly diesel thingies then, No! green. > > What's wrong with green? Nothing quite the opposite ... my ambiguous grammar, the "no" was my answer to the previous poster's suggestion, "green" being mine. SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson That's cwilson at britwar with a dot uk and dot co on the end. (Reply address is blackholed) http://www.the-dormouse.org - The Dormouse Line Model Railway - UPDATED >> What's wrong with green? > > Nothing quite the opposite ... my ambiguous grammar, the "no" was my > answer > to the previous poster's suggestion, "green" being mine. Oh, poop. And there was I hoping for a great rant about the Worst Livery Ever. It'll be peace, harmony and understanding on [insert random model rail forum here] next. Mark. > > > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product > > Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > No ! How about Blue or West Yorkshire PTE.... I don't think any 108's were ever painted in PTE liveries. Bevan >> > > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >> > Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I don't think any 108's were ever painted in PTE liveries. 108s only carried green, green with full yellow ends (a Heaton repaint), BR blue/grey (with option WYPTE brandings, IIRC), and finally NSE. Signature*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com > 108s only carried green, green with full yellow ends (a Heaton repaint), > BR blue/grey (with option WYPTE brandings, IIRC), and finally NSE. D'oh, and refurbished white/blue! Signature*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com > > 108s only carried green, green with full yellow ends (a Heaton repaint), > > BR blue/grey (with option WYPTE brandings, IIRC), and finally NSE. > > D'oh, and refurbished white/blue! Well considering that I had a photo of one front of me when I posted my remarks.... >> > 108s only carried green, green with full yellow ends (a Heaton >> > repaint), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well considering that I had a photo of one front of me when I posted my > remarks.... But neither style of WYPTE livery (cream and green as per the 141s, or the long-lived maroon/white successor) have been carried by 108s... SignatureRich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com > >> > 108s only carried green, green with full yellow ends (a Heaton > >> > repaint), [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > But neither style of WYPTE livery (cream and green as per the 141s, or the > long-lived maroon/white successor) have been carried by 108s... I was looking at the photo and quoting out of the reference (page 50 / 51 of BR Fleet Survey - No. 8 DMU first generation, Ian Allan)..... > But neither style of WYPTE livery (cream and green as per the 141s, or the > long-lived maroon/white successor) have been carried by 108s... That's true but the very similar class 114 did carry South Yorkshire Transport chocolate & cream livery see http://web.ukonline.co.uk/53amodels//picture/E53045a-HU-230484.jpg whilst http://web.ukonline.co.uk/53amodels//picture/E53619-HU-120784.jpg shows a 108 in WYPTE MetroTrain blue/grey livery. John. > No ! How about Blue or West Yorkshire PTE.... Got to say I can't wait for a blue AND a blue/grey 108. John. >> > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >> Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Could be nice, especially if they produce the correct intermediate coaches > as well. I see a potential problem there unless both ends of the two-car unit contain at least one drive bogie. My guess is only one of the two-car units announced so far will contain any drive mechanism at all and that may be only at one end. Even if both bogies of one end coach are driven (and all windows blacked out) the emu as a whole is going to run much better in one direction than the other. (kim) [ re BR Class 108 dmu ] > > Could be nice, especially if they produce the correct intermediate coaches > > as well. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > windows blacked out) the emu as a whole is going to run much better in one > direction than the other. [ assuming a single motor bogie ] It would depend on the power on the motor and the weighting of each item of stock. Remember that Hornby are talking about a 4 car EMU, they can't be too concerned.... > [ re BR Class 108 dmu ] >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Remember that Hornby are talking about a 4 car EMU, they can't be too > concerned.... I am guessing that will have at least one powered bogie at each end. (kim) > > [ re BR Class 108 dmu ] > >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I am guessing that will have at least one powered bogie at each end. Well, if they produce a CEP (for example) there is only one place they could hide a motor in the body and that is in the second coach in from one end - a push, push layout what ever way it's running !... >Well, if they produce a CEP (for example) there is only one place they could >hide a motor in the body and that is in the second coach in from one end - a >push, push layout what ever way it's running !... You seem to be thinking of the refurbished unit. If they produce an original unit, the motor coaches also have brake compartments, so a motor bogie could be hidden in there. SignatureJohn Sullivan OO in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html > >Well, if they produce a CEP (for example) there is only one place they could > >hide a motor in the body and that is in the second coach in from one end - a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > original unit, the motor coaches also have brake compartments, so a > motor bogie could be hidden in there. No, I was thinking of CIG / BIG's, sorry (it was getting late....). > Remember that Hornby are talking about a 4 car EMU, they can't be too > concerned.... I'm sure it's likely, but have they actually said anything certain? They might as well develop a mechanism that can cope with more vehicles, I suppose. I'm hoping they go for a 2-EPB or similar, a 4-CEP being far too big for my plank. I'd probably by a 4-EPB, but I hope someone notices all the unsold EFE underground centre cars somewhere, which must be indicative of something. Mark. <snip> > I'm hoping they go for a 2-EPB or similar, a 4-CEP being far too big for > my plank. I'd probably by a 4-EPB, but I hope someone notices all the > unsold EFE underground centre cars somewhere, which must be indicative > of something. Yes, very few model rats in tubes, most find the outside of a tube rather boring (no pun intended...) ! >>I hope someone notices all the >> unsold EFE underground centre cars somewhere, which must be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rather > boring (no pun intended...) ! That's if they're producing more centre cars than drivers. There must be quite a few 2 (or 1)-car tube models out there. As they're sold singly - or can be - and not motorised, I don't know if it proves that much. And despite what you say, I'm convinced a major RTR model would sell, even if I suspect a lot would end up on HO layouts... Mark. > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes, very few model rats in tubes, most find the outside of a tube rather > boring (no pun intended...) ! My experience of the 'underground' is limited to Finchley where the station is exposed (albeit in a deep cutting) and in places the line actually runs overhead. It always puzzled me why Londoners never wanted to model it? (kim) > ":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.net> wrote... >> "Mark Dickerson" <mark.dickerson@prm.ox.ac.uk> wrote... <snip> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > actually runs overhead. It always puzzled me why Londoners never > wanted to model it? There are UndergrounD modellers, and kits (and EFE conversions) are available - see http://www.metromodels.net/ I have motorised an EFE 4-car train with 2 Tenshodo SPUDs. SignatureMartin S. "kim" < > I see a potential problem there unless both ends of the two-car unit > contain at least one drive bogie. My guess is only one of the two-car > units announced so far will contain any drive mechanism at all and that > may be only at one end. Even if both bogies of one end coach are driven > (and all windows blacked out) the emu as a whole is going to run much > better in one direction than the other. Not a problem. All wheel pick-up and motor, with flywheel, in the guard's compartment unit. The again, on either the two or three car unit, they could even have all wheel pick-up on all four or six bogies and run jumpers between the cars. -- Cheers Roger T. Home of the Great Eastern Railway http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ >"kim" < > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >all wheel pick-up on all four or six bogies and run jumpers between the >cars. Kato's N scale "bullet trains" have a single power car in the middle with drive on both trucks. All cars have electrical pickup, but they're not connected to the motor, it's just for lighting. They run just fine (and VERY fast!) in both directions. SignatureJoe Ellis > "kim" < > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > All wheel pick-up and motor, with flywheel, in the guard's compartment > unit. I was assuming that to begin with. With a centre car added that still leaves one car powered from one end only driving two cars with no power at all. That means it will always run better in one direction than the other. Also, the 108 isn't the best design they could have chosen for hiding the mechanism in the guard's compartment. Even so I will probably buy the BR green variant with cat's whiskers as soon as it becomes available. (kim) "kim" < > I was assuming that to begin with. With a centre car added that still > leaves one car powered from one end only driving two cars with no power at > all. That means it will always run better in one direction than the other. Why? -- Cheers Roger T. Home of the Great Eastern Railway http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ > "kim" < > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Why? Weight distribution, plus wheels always pull better than they push. (kim) >>> at >>> all. That means it will always run better in one direction than the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Weight distribution, plus wheels always pull better than they push. I have a Hornby 110 which has one of the motor cars fitted with the chassis from a Bachmann 158, there is no discernable difference in running whichever end is leading. If the new 108 uses a similar mechanism it will be a good runner. Forget motor bogies. Keith Make friends in the hobby. Visit <http://www.grovenor.dsl.pipex.com/> Garratt photos for the big steam lovers. >>>> at >>>> all. That means it will always run better in one direction than the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > running whichever end is leading. If the new 108 uses a similar > mechanism it will be a good runner. Forget motor bogies. So how do you hide the mechanism? We are talking about a mass-market RTR model here and if the mechanism is clearly visible throught the windows that will put off a lot of potential buyers. Tinted windows are an option but that will rule out any kind of internal illlumination. (kim) >>>>> at >>>>> all. That means it will always run better in one direction than the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that will put off a lot of potential buyers. Tinted windows are an option > but that will rule out any kind of internal illlumination. And 108s never had tinted windows anyway - I'm interesting in seeing how Bachmann pull this one off - if they do it well, a couple of 108s will be on order. :-) Signature*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com > So how do you hide the mechanism? We are talking about a mass-market RTR > model here and if the mechanism is clearly visible throught the windows > that will put off a lot of potential buyers. Tinted windows are an option > but that will rule out any kind of internal illlumination. I posted this in the Yahoo "demodellers" group a while back, but if Tomix can manage to conceal a motor and flywheel drive below the window line in N gauge (see link below), is something similar not possible in 00? http://www.tomytec.co.jp/tomix/report/n/nj_036.htm SignatureDave Fossett Saitama, Japan http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JRForum/ > > So how do you hide the mechanism? We are talking about a mass-market RTR > > model here and if the mechanism is clearly visible throught the windows [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > gauge (see link below), is something similar not possible in 00? > http://www.tomytec.co.jp/tomix/report/n/nj_036.htm From my reply about the 2005 wagons and catalogue, which i now have. ,> -- > Ok, will the 108 have directional lighting? ;o) Yes, 2 car unit, differing style cab roofs, DMBS and DMCL cars, Full under floor equipment, detailed interior, hidden drive unit, Pieman > -- > Dave Fossett > Saitama, Japan > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JRForum/ > From my reply about the 2005 wagons and catalogue, which i now have. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > under > floor equipment, detailed interior, hidden drive unit, Which suggests it is a single drive bogie hidden in the guard's compartment. (kim) >> So how do you hide the mechanism? We are talking about a mass-market RTR >> model here and if the mechanism is clearly visible throught the windows [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >gauge (see link below), is something similar not possible in 00? >http://www.tomytec.co.jp/tomix/report/n/nj_036.htm The '158' mechanism sits below the window line and needs painting black to be inconspicious, you do have to sacrifice some interior detail, if you want a display case model you don't need a drive unit anyway, if it runs on a layout performance is more important than interior detail. If you build your own you can fit the mech entirely under the floor and have both. Keith Make friends in the hobby. Visit <http://www.grovenor.dsl.pipex.com/> Garratt photos for the big steam lovers. > BR Class 108 dmu > BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 > LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T The Fairburn would/will be great for me, but the Midland type Jinty would've been better. We'll see if you get the early bird award this time... Mark. >> BR Class 108 dmu >> BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 >> LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T Would be so nice to have a 9F that was loco drive! (And a Crosti boiler version would be the icing on the cake) Mike H >A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 > LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T I reckon their 2005 releases will include Mk1 Pullmans, Mk2s, OAA and OBA wagons... ;-) (and yes, I know what you mean :-P ) Signature*** http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/ *** Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk) MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com >>A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >>Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >(and yes, I know what you mean :-P ) What about a re-release of the Maroon Mark 1 BSK? SignatureJohn Sullivan OO in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html > What about a re-release of the Maroon Mark 1 BSK? I'd settle for a wholesale re-issue of the Bachmann Mk1s in maroon - I could have sold eight of the buggers to one chappie today! So what have they got in the immediate pipeline? Mk1s in ........... wait for it ........ Network South East livery! Guess someone somewhere will buy some! John. > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on > the following: > BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 > LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T I heard a few weeks ago about a 9f but thaught no! It and the Fowler would explain the term "Southern Region" locos that has been bouncing about. > Best wishes, > John Turner, > 53A Models, Hull. > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on > the following: > > BR Class 108 dmu > BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 Wow, Bachman going into tender drive at last! > LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T > > Best wishes, > John Turner, > 53A Models, Hull. >>A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>John Turner, >>53A Models, Hull. For what it's worth it'll be nice to have a good DMU model for a change. How about a 101 then Hornby? > For what it's worth it'll be nice to have a good DMU model for a change. > How about a 101 then Hornby? Having experience of Hornby (and Lima) dmus I'd much sooner that Bachmann produce one using their much leaked proposals for a 108 as the basis - at least for the mechanism! John. >> For what it's worth it'll be nice to have a good DMU model for a change. >> How about a 101 then Hornby? > > Having experience of Hornby (and Lima) dmus I'd much sooner that Bachmann > produce one using their much leaked proposals for a 108 as the basis - at > least for the mechanism! I'll be interested to see what kind of mechanism and how they hide it. (kim) > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > John Turner, > 53A Models, Hull. I fail to see how these steam locomotives could be described as "Southern Region", other than the fact that SOME of the 2-6-4's were built at Brighton after the war, and that some 9F's were used on passenger turns on the S&D and on freights from Eastleigh to the Midlands. You could describe either as Midland Region and be more accurate. If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a Ivatt 2-6-0 using its exisiting Ivatt 2-6-2 chassis, or even something like a Standard 3 2-6-2. > > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > passenger turns on the S&D and on freights from Eastleigh to the > Midlands. You could describe either as Midland Region and be more accurate. Bachman have been saying there would be two new southern Region steam engines for 2005. They were obviuosly trying to keep the locos a secret as long as possible hence labelling them SR. the 2-6-4 worked on the Sr, so that counts as did the 9fs, as well as the S&D. > If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, > but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a > Ivatt 2-6-0 using its exisiting Ivatt 2-6-2 chassis, or even something > like a Standard 3 2-6-2. > Bachman have been saying there would be two new southern Region steam > engines for 2005. They were obviuosly trying to keep the locos a secret as > long as possible hence labelling them SR. the 2-6-4 worked on the Sr, so > that counts as did the 9fs, as well as the S&D. Yes, but its a little disengenuous to do so. That would be like saying they were going to make a new Southern Region diesel locomotive, and everyone expecting a highly detailed class 33, or perhaps a 73 ED - only to end up with a Hymek with the excuse that some of them worked on ex-SR lines after the WR had taken them over. There were more Fairburns on the ER than there were on the SR - in fact once there were enough Standard 2-6-4's about in the mod 50's, they were swapped with the Fairburns going to the LMR. And only a handful of the 200-odd 9F's were ever allocated to the SR, and thats including the 4 allocated to Bath in 1960/1/2. And only a handful of the > 200-odd 9F's were ever allocated to the SR, and thats including the 4 > allocated to Bath in 1960/1/2. I don't recall Bath ever been part of the Southern? John. > And only a handful of the > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John. Bath Green Park was part of the Southern Region. The Western Region gradually took over and ran down the S&D. > Bath Green Park was part of the Southern Region. The Western Region > gradually took over and ran down the S&D. Yes, 71G in 1955 - my apologies. For some strange reason I thought it was part of BR(MR) before it was switched to the Swindonites. John. >> Bath Green Park was part of the Southern Region. The Western Region >> gradually took over and ran down the S&D. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. There had been two sheds at Bath, the S&DJR one and a Midland one . This latter was a sub-shed of Barton Road- I suspect the two had been combined for operational purposes long before Nationalisation Brian >>>Bath Green Park was part of the Southern Region. The Western Region >>>gradually took over and ran down the S&D. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for operational purposes long before Nationalisation > Brian Indeed. Prior to natiolisation, Bath (as well as Templecombe and Branksome) was actually a Midland shed (I forget the actual code - I think Ivo Peters mentions it in one of his books) but on Nationalisation, the entire S&D was turned over to the Southern Region, with the stock being "on loan" from the LMR - hence Stanier class 5's, Bulldog 3F's Jinty's, etc running down the S&D. > > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > passenger turns on the S&D and on freights from Eastleigh to the > Midlands. You could describe either as Midland Region and be more accurate. The 2-6-4T's were not only built but used on the south coast in the Eastbourne area IIRC. The 9F's were designed at Brighton and used as you mention. > If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, > but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a > Ivatt 2-6-0 using its exisiting Ivatt 2-6-2 chassis, or even something > like a Standard 3 2-6-2. The answer to a reader's query in the last Bachmann club magazine categorically ruled out a Standard Class 3 2-6-2t (kim) >> If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, >> but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The answer to a reader's query in the last Bachmann club magazine >categorically ruled out a Standard Class 3 2-6-2t They weren't very widely used. Class 2 were seen all over the country, and class 4 almost as widely. So there is a much bigger market. I would like to see a class 3 though - if only for the fact that it used a modified Churchward number 4 boiler. >(kim) > They weren't very widely used. Class 2 were seen all over the country, > and class 4 almost as widely. So there is a much bigger market. > > I would like to see a class 3 though - if only for the fact that it > used a modified Churchward number 4 boiler. On the SR, you could see them anywhere from Waterloo on empty stock movements to as far west as Bude and Launceston, as well as on the East Devon brnaches. >>If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, >>but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (kim) Was it ruled out merely for this year, or for ever? It would fill a gap in the Standard engines, and as a BR(S) modeller, I have to admit to a personal wish here, as at one point over half the 45 members of the class were based on the Southern. >>>If the 9F is loco drive and of a high standard, then it will be welcome, >>>but I would still like Bachmann to make the oppotunity to create say, a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > personal wish here, as at one point over half the 45 members of the class > were based on the Southern. "There are no plans at present for Bachmann to produce a '3MT' class tank locomotive , though it may be a possibility for the long term". My own interest was for a Stanier 3P 2-6-2t of which almost as many examples were produced and since they often served as station pilots they would be recognised by many more people than the big passenger expresses with which the big manufacturers seem to be obsessed. (kim) Don't know about the 108 or 9F, but Bachmann told me several years ago when they were preparing the 4MT 2-6-4 that it was their intention to do a Fairburn version. Graham Plowman > Don't know about the 108 or 9F, but Bachmann told me several years ago > when they were preparing the 4MT 2-6-4 that it was their intention to > do a Fairburn version. The class 108 dmu has been the least well guarded secret in years. Other than that, if you believed everything which Bachmann claimed they were going to do, the list would be longer than any of us would have time to read. John. >A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BR Standard 9F 2-10-0 > LMS/BR Fairburn 2-6-4T Not bad, John, as Jason from Windmill Junction Models has just reported back from the Toy Fair with the following: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windmill Junction" <admin@windmilljunction.co.uk> To: <admin@windmilljunction.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Windmill Junction - Bachmann Update > Dear Guest/Members > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > www.windmilljunction.co.uk > Tel: 01536 522533 All look tempting, especially the railfreight 20s, the 108s and the steam loco's, but I'm intrigued by the Fairburn "261". Could this have been a typo or was there such a loco? Cheers, John. The message <ctboii$iko$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> from "John Lancaster" <john@elkinroad.freeserve.co.uk> contains these words: > I'm intrigued by the Fairburn "261". Could this have been a typo > or was there such a loco? Yup. 261 was the LMS number of the loco which became 42261 SignatureDave, Frodsham >>We have just returned from the Excel Toy Fair 2005 and can tell you that >>the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>Loco Drive 9F 32-850 - 32-852 92220, 92192, 92116 all pristine. £109.95 >>RRP 92220 'Evening Star' was allocated to Bath Green Park for Spetember 1962, specifically to work the last Pines Express via the S&D, and from August to October 1963 to help cover a motive power shortage. At this time, Bath Green Park was a WR shed. The other 9F's were never allocated to the Southern Region - I think 92192 was a WR engine. >>Fairburn 2-6-4 Tank Engine 32-875 - 877 261, 42096, 42073 £68.95 RRP 42096 was allocated to Ashford until it was transferred back to the LMR at the end of 1959. > All look tempting, especially the railfreight 20s, the 108s and the steam > loco's, but I'm intrigued by the Fairburn "261". Could this have been a typo > or was there such a loco? I would assume it is a typo for 2061, being the LMS number for one of this class. >> All look tempting, especially the railfreight 20s, the 108s and the steam >> loco's, but I'm intrigued by the Fairburn "261". Could this have been a >> typo or was there such a loco? > > I would assume it is a typo for 2061, being the LMS number for one of this > class. John (and David), Jason advises me that it is indeed a typo and should in fact be 2691, although he didn't say which livery it will carry (LMS black?). Cheers, John. > Jason advises me that it is indeed a typo and should in fact be 2691, > although he didn't say which livery it will carry (LMS black?). If it's in authentic LMS livery then it would have great difficulty in being anything other than black. John. > > Jason advises me that it is indeed a typo and should in fact be 2691, > > although he didn't say which livery it will carry (LMS black?). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. Do Bachmann announce their UK programme at the same time as their Liliput programme at the Nürnberg Spielwaren? (early Feb) Regards, Greg.P. This was from Pat Hammonds site Model railway Express the news is it is to be a 9F Bachmann's three new locomotives this year are to be the Class 108 Heritage DMU, a Fairburn 2-6-4 tank and a Class 9F. The news broke at the Toyfair in London today when the new Bachmann catalogue was released. The company's MD, Graham Hubbard, also confirmed that they are giving rolling stock a rest this year while they catch up with the current programme. This is a new commitment by Bachmann to avoid announcing models which cannot be released in the current year. Three versions of the 9F are planned for release in the Autumn, all in pristine condition. These are '92192' with late decals and a BR1F tender, '92116' with early decals and a BR1C tender and '92220 Evening Star' with the BR1G tender. Questioned about the problem of hiding the mechanism with so much daylight under the boiler, Bachmann's head of development, Merl Evans, showed me the drawings for the model which indicated how the chassis is to be built in two layers with daylight between and the gear train concealed behind the bracket supporting the valve gear. The Class 9F was third in the BR Standard Steam section in last year's MREmag poll while third in the LMS section was the Fairburn tank. The latter will also be available in three pristine versions this year. These will be '2691' in LMS livery, '42096' in BR lined black with early decals and '42073 ' in BR lined black with late decals. These will have build variations and heavy internal weights to ensure good pulling power. The Class 108 DMU includes two cars (DMBS and DMCL) and, again, three pristine versions will be released this year. These will be BR green with whiskers, BR blue/grey and one in NSE livery. The numbers on these are not yet available. They will have differing cab and roof styles, full underfloor equipment, detailed interiors and directional lighting. Amongst models on display were six versions of the new Class 66. These were '66405' Malcolm Logistics Services blue, '66612 Forth Raider' in Freightliner green, '66200 Railway Heritage Committee' in EWS red and yellow, '66135' also in EWS red and yellow, '66610' in Freightliner green and '66701' in GBRf blue. Amongst the new liveries on existing models in the Bachmann range are the 0-4-0 saddle tank (Percy) in GWR lined greed as '311'; four new Class 20s - '20023' Raifreight red stripe with discs, '20132' Raifreight red stripe with code boxes, '20052' weathered BR blue with discs, 'D8307' weathered BR blue with code boxes; 3 pristine Class 08s - '08683' EWS, '08375' BR blue and 'D3032' BR green; 3 pristine Class 57XX Pannier tanks - '5786' GWR, '7739' BR black with early decals and '5757' BR black with late decals; Jinty '47506' in BR plain black with late decals and '47279' with early decals (also on display was '47253' in BR red with late decals); Class 40 'D210 Empress of Britain' in BR green and '40169' in BR blue; Class 170/4 in ScotRail First Group livery; Class 55 '55013 The Black Watch' in BR blue; 3 Ivatt Class 4s - '43047' with late decals, '43160' with early decals and '3001' in LMS black; 3 Class 57s - '57301 Scot Tracy' in Virgin livery, '57602 Restormel Castle' in First Great Western green and '57008 Freightliner Explorer' in Freightliner livery; '30850 Lord Nelson' in BR green with early decals; 3 Class 158s - ScotRail First Group livery, Metro WYPTE livery and Transpennine First Group livery; Class 04 'D2254' in weathered BR blue and '11217' weathered BR black with early decals. While there may be no new rolling stock tooling this year, there will be plenty of new liveries on wagons and new batches of renumbered coaches. All the best Steve > Ivatt Class 4s - '43047' with late decals, '43160' with early decals Do we mean coat-of-arms and emblem? ;-) John. >> Ivatt Class 4s - '43047' with late decals, '43160' with early decals > > Do we mean coat-of-arms and emblem? ;-) No, CREST!!! ;op Cheers, John. > No, CREST!!! ;op So you contradict the College of Heraldry's terminology? ;-) Even crest is better than fuffing *decals*! John. > So you contradict the College of Heraldry's terminology? ;-) Ooops, that should read College of Heralds I think. Whisky speaking again! ;-) John. > > So you contradict the College of Heraldry's terminology? ;-) > > Ooops, that should read College of Heralds I think. Whisky speaking again! > ;-) > > John. Were you working on quality or quantity? Greg.P. <snip> > While there may be no new rolling stock tooling this year, there will be > plenty of new liveries on wagons and new batches of renumbered coaches. Does this mean that they have given up on the BR Mk1 Pullmans or are they included in the 'catching up' process ? > From: "Windmill Junction" > Subject: Windmill Junction - Bachmann Update > Loco Drive 9F 32-850 - 32-852 92220, 92192, 92116 all pristine. Why does this horrendous expression *pristine* keep getting used. Locos which were in tip-top condition after new-build or overhaul were always traditionally referred to as *ex-works*. I hate this Hornby-speak. It reminds me of the days when they traditionally referred to any non-brake coach as a *composite* without any regard for the true meaning of the word. John. > A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product Bachmann > would be announcing for 2005, it could be worth gambling a pound or two on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > John Turner, > 53A Models, Hull. For some strange reason, some idiot has put the 2005 Price list on ebay!! I presume he is connected with the trade, else how did he gain access to the toy fair? but why would anyone buy it - I am sure the prices will be available on the web site shortly, and your local dealer will no doubt have a copy of the price list for you. <snip> > For some strange reason, some idiot has put the 2005 Price list on > ebay!! I presume he is connected with the trade, else how did he gain > access to the toy fair? but why would anyone buy it - I am sure the > prices will be available on the web site shortly, and your local dealer > will no doubt have a copy of the price list for you. No doubt there will also be some idiot who will buy it ! >A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > John Turner, > 53A Models, Hull. MREmag (http://www.mremag.demon.co.uk/hpsite/index.htm) has just been updated with much more detail. Cheers, John. >>A little bird told me that if I'd to have a bet on what new product >>Bachmann [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Cheers, > John. Well, I for one can use a loco drive 9F... Not sure about the Fairburn, and have no need of a 108 that I can think of... Shame there's to be no work on the rolling stock this year tho (what abt the Mk2 and Mk1 Pullmans, already partially tooled up???) Keeps a bit more money in the piggy bank tho... Ian J. > Well, I for one can use a loco drive 9F... Not sure about the Fairburn, > and have no need of a 108 that I can think of... Shame there's to be no > work on the rolling stock this year tho (what abt the Mk2 and Mk1 > Pullmans, already partially tooled up???) Presumably Bachmann mean no new rolling stock *other than outstanding models previously announced*. As MREmag states, "The company's MD, Graham Hubbard, also confirmed that they are giving rolling stock a rest this year while they catch up with the current programme. This is a new commitment by Bachmann to avoid announcing models which cannot be released in the current year." Cheers, John. > Well, I for one can use a loco drive 9F... Not sure about the Fairburn, > and have no need of a 108 that I can think of... Hmm, let me think.... The first RTR 1st generation DMU to become available in many years in BR Green with cat's whiskers and possibly with a decent drive mechanism as well? No, I can't think of any use for it either ;o) (kim) |
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