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Model Forum / General / Railroads / April 2005Early coaches.
Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ I am looking specifically at the four wheel 1840-ish type - that look a bit like a stagecoach with U shaped bottoms of carriage compartments? I am playing with the LSWR but they all seem to have used the same manufacturers then and the style across companies seems to be broadly similar (such that only someone nerdy like me who has actually read the book would know if its wrong and if I don't care then......) and, yes, i have got Annie and Clarabelle (but they seem to be generic 1860, and i am hoping for something a trifle better......) and i do know the Falcon range. Ken > Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > > I am looking specifically at the four wheel 1840-ish type - that look a bit > like a stagecoach with U shaped bottoms of carriage compartments? No idea, but Hornby did some early Liverpool & Manchester Railway coaches to go with their OO-scale model of Stephenson's *Rocket*, sadly now long out of production. John. > Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > book > would know if its wrong and if I don't care then......) As you are asking specifically for c. 1840 coaches, this may be a bit off target, but it could still be of interest to people modelling the 19th century scene. In N gauge, the Japanese manufacturer Micro Ace makes some 4-wheel coaches dating from the 1870s. These were British-built, although I don't know how closely they resembled coaches used in Britain. They are available via the Hobby Search website, even though they are not actually listed on the English pages. (The product code is Micro Ace A0274) http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/rail/ You can see a photo at the address below. http://www.1999hobbysearch.com/dbimages/user/hobby/itbig/10029230a.jpg  SignatureDave Fossett Saitama, Japan http://jtrains.fotopic.net/ >Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > >I am looking specifically at the four wheel 1840-ish type - that look a bit >like a stagecoach with U shaped bottoms of carriage compartments? Coaches from the Hornby "Rocket" set. Second hand. >I am playing with the LSWR but they all seem to have used the same >manufacturers then and the style across companies seems to be broadly >similar (such that only someone nerdy like me who has actually read the book >would know if its wrong and if I don't care then......) The larger companies made their own. >and, yes, i have got Annie and Clarabelle (but they seem to be generic 1860, >and i am hoping for something a trifle better......) and i do know the >Falcon range. Annie and Clarabel are shortened modern carriages. 1860 would be lower, narrower and have more compartments for the length. >Ken Trix Produced some early coaches as par of the Der Adler set: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=5970166629&rd=1 Bachmann USA produce a few early models, the DeWitt Clinton is probably of most interest: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=17033&item=5970503824&r d=1&ssPageName=WD4V These however model foreign prototypes and are th HO scale. Craig > Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ken wow those prices are outrageous! I have seen Bachmann's complete set of three (Clinton, Lafayette etc.) go for less on eBay. In fact, Walthers has the Clinton for $50US I was going to buy them and display them in a case until I saw them in real life - they are so small that even at <$100 US for the three I felt it just wasn't worth it....just my opinion, but to me they look like N gauge gear with overscale wheels. Steve > Trix Produced some early coaches as par of the Der Adler set: > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=5970166629&rd=1 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Ken But only the first class travelled in "stagecoaches"; the second made do with cattle wagons and third class with open wagons, albeit with doors and (sometimes) seats. The earliest 4mm kits for the LSWR are for the period round about 1860. They were a semi private initiative by the South Western Circle. However, I was responsible for sweeping up spare capacity for a Blackfriars project (yes I know it's London Chatham & Dover but needs a couple of LSWR rakes. >Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Ken SignatureJohn Bishop > Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ > > I am looking specifically at the four wheel 1840-ish type - that look a bit > like a stagecoach with U shaped bottoms of carriage compartments? Hi Ken, There are some kits of broad gauge protoypes from 1838 onwards available from the Broad Gauge Society: http://www.broadgauge.org.uk/models/products-4mm.html I'm not much experience of the early GWR coach designs so they may or may not look like what you need. At best they will need narrowing to suit the narrow-gauge loading gauge. Cheers, Bill. -- "rabbits" is "rarebits" >> Does anyone make kits for the v early type of coaches/ >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Cheers, >Bill. IIRC the GWR did something similar, converting some broad gauge stock to the other gauge. > IIRC the GWR did something similar, converting some broad gauge stock > to the other gauge. Over the last 20 years or so of the broad gauge all new stock was constructed to allow easy conversion to narrow gauge, the ultimate demise of the broad gauge did not come as any surprise. Convertible coaches generally bodywork built to the narrow loading gauge, but fitted onto broad underframes. These coaches would have been much more modern in design than the 1840s/50s types. There is at least one genuine convertible coach with the GWS at Didcot, I believe the long term plan is to rebuild it in broad gauge form, Cheers, Bill. >>IIRC the GWR did something similar, converting some broad gauge stock >>to the other gauge. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > Bill. Ah, thanks Bill, that confirms my guess, ignore previous post. [...] >>Hi Ken, >>There are some kits of broad gauge protoypes from 1838 onwards available [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > IIRC the GWR did something similar, converting some broad gauge stock > to the other gauge. Looking at some of the extant photos, it seems to me GWR also built a number of narrow bodies coaches on wide broad-gauge frames. I think they just mounted them on "narrow gauge" frames when the time came. Is my speculation correct? |
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