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44211 - 05 Jul 2005 12:52 GMT
Hi again from OZ,

After many fruitless hours on the 'net, trying to navigate web sites of
Australian hobby shops (useless)....can anyone out there tell me of a hobby
shop in the UK that deals in Athearn HO.   I am looking for their Santa Fe
CF7 in Yellow Bonnet scheme, serial # ATH91555.
Thanks
44211.
mutley - 05 Jul 2005 14:17 GMT
>Hi again from OZ,
>
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>CF7 in Yellow Bonnet scheme, serial # ATH91555.
>Thanks

Try Totally Trains in Ross on Wye, they have boxes and boxes of Athearn
stuff.

Phone:01989567577 (no website)

Pete
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44211 - 06 Jul 2005 01:13 GMT
THanks Pete......

>>Hi again from OZ,
>>
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> Pete
MartinS - 06 Jul 2005 04:34 GMT
> Hi again from OZ,
>
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> Thanks
> 44211.

Wouldn't it be easier to buy direct from the USA, e.g. Walthers?
But then they'd probably charge you 2 arms & 3 legs for shipping.

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Martin S.

44211 - 06 Jul 2005 05:23 GMT
>> Hi again from OZ,
>>
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> Wouldn't it be easier to buy direct from the USA, e.g. Walthers?
> But then they'd probably charge you 2 arms & 3 legs for shipping.
kajr@mwfree.net - 06 Jul 2005 08:52 GMT
> >> Hi again from OZ,
> >>
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> > I have already tried my old mate John Turner.
> >Cheers
Model Motors in Bourne End near High Wycombe have Athearn stuff, and
other American models, but like above if they don't have it they will
order from Walthers. OK saves me the trouble but if they have to send
to Australia then I suppose you might aswell order direct.

Kevin
Jane Sullivan - 06 Jul 2005 09:06 GMT
>>> Hi again from OZ,
>>>
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>> I have already tried my old mate John Turner.
>>Cheers

Try Mac's Model Railroading, 64A Sinclair St., Helensburgh, G84 8TP.
Tel: 01436 679444.
http://www.macsmodels.co.uk/
Email sales@macsmodels.co.uk

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Jane
OO in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html

44211 - 08 Jul 2005 12:03 GMT
Thanks Jane
44211

>>>> Hi again from OZ,
>>>>
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> http://www.macsmodels.co.uk/
> Email sales@macsmodels.co.uk
John Turner - 06 Jul 2005 09:43 GMT
> Wouldn't it be easier to buy direct from the USA, e.g. Walthers?
> But then they'd probably charge you 2 arms & 3 legs for shipping.

Walthers no longer stock Athearn following the latter's acqusition by
Horizon Hobbies.

Buying from the USA is expensive, but Canada might be worth trying; the CA$
is not too strong at the moment.

Wolf Kirchmeir, a regular contributor in these columns hails from there and
runs a small model business, he may possibly be able to help.  I can
thoroughly recommend him.

Contact me off-group if you want a contact email address for Wolf.

John.
kajr@mwfree.net - 06 Jul 2005 11:55 GMT
Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
Horizon wont supply Walthers or are Walthers boycotting Horizon. Either
way wouln't that be illegal in the UK.

Kevin
John Turner - 06 Jul 2005 12:44 GMT
> Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
> Horizon wont supply Walthers or are Walthers boycotting Horizon. Either
> way wouln't that be illegal in the UK.

Horizon Hobbies are wholesalers of model railway gear and I believe they are
not willing to supply Walthers.  I heard it alleged that this is because
Walthers wouldn't supply other wholesalers with their own branded products.

John.
kajr@mwfree.net - 06 Jul 2005 13:05 GMT
> > Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> > Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
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>
> John.
Just goes to show just how unfree America can be. I take it then that
UK retailers have to buy from Horizon. Is this why it is a devil of a
job to get hold of a Challenger.

Kevin
kim - 06 Jul 2005 12:59 GMT
> Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
> Horizon wont supply Walthers or are Walthers boycotting Horizon. Either
> way wouln't that be illegal in the UK.

A manufacturer or wholesaler can refuse to suplly anyone they like. What
they can't do - with a few legal exceptions - is specify the minimum price
their products are sold at or the minimum level of customer service
provided. That is why the retail industry in the UK has gone down the
toilet.

(kim)
google@sheerstock.fsnet.co.uk - 06 Jul 2005 13:23 GMT
> Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
> Horizon wont supply Walthers or are Walthers boycotting Horizon. Either
> way wouln't that be illegal in the UK.
>
> Kevin

In the UK it's neither illegal for a manufacturer/wholesaler to refuse
to supply a retailer, nor for a retailer to refuse to stock a
manufacturers/wholesalers products.

Andrew
kajr@mwfree.net - 07 Jul 2005 08:23 GMT
> > Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> > Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
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>
> Andrew
There was of course the case in the 70's when the Government
blacklisted Ford for breaking the pay restrainst laws. Ford threatened
to take the Government to court, I can't remember the outcome. I also
seem to remember there being a recent case of a supplying refusing to
supply a customer. I will have to dig around. Surely restraint of trade
come in somewhere?

Kevin
kim - 07 Jul 2005 18:31 GMT
>> > Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
>> > Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
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> blacklisted Ford for breaking the pay restrainst laws. Ford threatened
> to take the Government to court, I can't remember the outcome.

1979. The government was voted out of office, pay restraint was abandoned
and the new government started buying Fords again.

(kim)
Wolf Kirchmeir - 06 Jul 2005 14:29 GMT
> Walthers no longer stock Athearn following Athearns acquisition by
> Horizon. I thought that this was the land of the free. Is this because
> Horizon wont supply Walthers or are Walthers boycotting Horizon. Either
> way wouln't that be illegal in the UK.
>
> Kevin

In the USA, it's legal for anyone to not to do business with anyone
else, subject only to civil rights law. Since neither Horizon Hobbies
nor Walthers are discriminating against each other on the basis of
gender, marital status, race, religion, etc, their business arrangements
or lack thereof are (almost) entirely their own business.

Someone might think that "restraint of trade" laws might apply, but so
long as neither Walthers nor Horizon have de facto control of the model
train market, relevant US laws will not apply. (They don't even apply to
Microsoft, so long as MS makes necessary technical information about
Windows available to 3rd-party software developers, and does so on the
same terms for everybody.) In this case, only if Horizon demanded more
costly terms from Walthers than from other distributors would Walthers
have a case.

AFAICT, US anti-competition laws work well only when some identifiable
consumer group sues for redress, but even then it's not easy to prove
that a more competitive market would have resulted in lower prices.
Economic theory does make a legal case: only actual facts are relevant,
and the fact is that sometimes monopolies have resulted in lower prices
because of efficiencies of scale.

Will model railroaders complain that Horizon Hobbies is gouging them?
Not likely. Model railroading is a disposable income market, which means
that price-demand theories actually apply: model railroad prices are as
high as the market will bear (which is higher than some segments of the
market like, but it's what the majority will pay that governs prices.)

It's possible that in the UK (and EU) the kind of integration of
production and distribution businesses that's at play here would be
illegal, but I see no evidence of that in the business news that I read.
MartinS - 06 Jul 2005 17:16 GMT
> Buying from the USA is expensive, but Canada might be worth trying;
> the CA$ is not too strong at the moment.

I would disagree with that. The Canadian $ has been very strong against
the US$, currently around $0.80, compared to around $0.65 a couple or so
years ago. This has had an adverse effect on US tourism in Canada and
Canadian exports to the US. It has also gained against the euro and the
pound AFAIK. Regardless, you may get lower shipping costs. (A small
package under 500g can cost more to ship within Canada than overseas.)

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44211 - 07 Jul 2005 10:34 GMT
>> Buying from the USA is expensive, but Canada might be worth trying;
>> the CA$ is not too strong at the moment.
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> pound AFAIK. Regardless, you may get lower shipping costs. (A small
> package under 500g can cost more to ship within Canada than overseas.)
 
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