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Ian Cornish - 19 Jul 2005 08:33 GMT
Hi all,

I've been building quite a few of the plastic kits out there, and am
quite impressed with the way my skills have developed.

Now, I want to turn my hand to a loco kit...
I'm looking for recommendations as to a good quality, complete, OO Gauge
kit that it relatively simple to build/paint etc, and does not need
specialist tools (I don't have a complete metal working kit etc, but can
solder quite well).

Can anyone recommend a suitable kit (steam loco, probably an 0-4-0 or
0-6-0) that I can buy that includes *all* parts, that would be
relatively easy for a novice to put together.

Regards,

Ian
manatbandq@hotmail.com - 19 Jul 2005 08:59 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Ian

Very few loco kits are complete in any normal sense of the word. There
are so many tastes in motor and wheels that it would be impossible for
it to be otherwise.

Some that spring to mind are the DJH starter kits at
http://djhmodelloco.co.uk/oo-gauge.asp?region=Starter%20Kits

You still need to provide glue and paints.

MBQ
Paul Boyd - 19 Jul 2005 10:20 GMT
"Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com"> wrote...

> Can anyone recommend a suitable kit (steam loco, probably an 0-4-0 or
> 0-6-0) that I can buy that includes *all* parts, that would be relatively
> easy for a novice to put together.

You have two basic choices; whitemetal or etched brass.  My own preference
is for etched brass or nickel silver, so my comments will be biased in that
direction.  Firstly, I'm not aware of any kits that are complete in the true
sense, but any manufacturer worth dealing with will be more than happy to at
the very least tell you exactly what extra bits you need to buy, and they
may even sell you the bits themselves so you do in effect get a kit.  It is
also worth buying a kit from a quality manufacturer, as one of the biggest
problems has come about because people buy a cheap, poorly designed kit,
then blame themselves when it doesn't go together, so never try again.  High
Level Kits http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/ comes to mind as an excellent
designer of small locos, one of which may do you.  They also sell the
appropriate motors, and will be able to tell you exactly which wheels you
need and where to get them.  Everything else is included.  These are
beautifully designed, and the parts really do go together nicely with a
minimum of tools - filing to make bits fit just doesn't happen.  This is
important, as it gives you the confidence that you can do it!  Falcon Brass
is best avoided at the beginner stage even if they are cheap, as these kits
do need a little more skill to turn into a good model. (Was that diplomatic
enough?!)

It is also well worth getting one or two of the Iain Rice books published by
Wild Swan.  He does books on whitemetal and etched brass construction, and I
find that his style of writing makes everything appear so easy, and it
really is!  Unfortunately Wild Swan are still in a previous century (19th?)
and don't have a website or email, but their books are very widely
available.

Good luck, and if you think you can't do it, then you're wrong!

Paul Boyd
Kevin Martin - 19 Jul 2005 13:25 GMT
> "Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com"> wrote...
>
>>Can anyone recommend a suitable kit (steam loco, probably an 0-4-0 or
>>0-6-0) that I can buy that includes *all* parts, that would be relatively
>>easy for a novice to put together.

The closest I know is the DJH beginner kits, 1 steam 1 diesel, never
built one though :-)

http://www.djhengineering.co.uk/loco/oo-gauge.asp?region=Starter%20Kits

Kevin Martin
Mick Bryan - 20 Jul 2005 21:41 GMT
> > "Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com"> wrote...
> >
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>
> Kevin Martin

I built the DJH starter kit for the Class 02 diesel in 2 hours!! (Then it
took another two to replace the cast handrails with wire ones...........)
Everything in the box except glue, paint and transfers. Although I soldered
mine together, they are easy to glue.
Most definitely recommended as a first loco kit.

Then you can proceed onto some of the "larger" DJH kits, of which *most* can
be put together without recourse to a soldering iron.

These other kits will however need motor and gears. *Most* other
manufacturer's kits also require wheels.

A pic of my 02 can be found at www.belmrs.co.uk and clicking on the link to
"Tontine Street" - and it's the third picture down

HTH,
Mick
David Jackson - 20 Jul 2005 22:10 GMT
The message <dbmcth$tau$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>
from "Mick Bryan" <mick@nospampleasenewbryford.freeserve.co.uk> contains
these words:

> I built the DJH starter kit for the Class 02 diesel in 2 hours!!

I bet yer paint dries quicker than mine does...     ;-))

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Frodsham

Andy Sollis-  Churnet Valley model Railway Dept. - 21 Jul 2005 17:27 GMT
"Mick Bryan" <mick@nospampleasenewbryford.freeserve.co.uk> wrote A pic of my
02 can be found at www.belmrs.co.uk and clicking on the link to
"Tontine Street" - and it's the third picture down

HTH,
Mick

Mick,
   Great shoy and love the scenery, but where is the shunters pole across
the buffers? :-)

Andy Sollis
CVMRD
http://www.cvmrd.freeserve.co.uk - Home of the Churnet Valley Model Railway
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Paul Boyd - 21 Jul 2005 20:03 GMT
On 21/07/2005 17:27, Andy Sollis- Churnet Valley model Railway Dept. wrote,

> HTH

Que??????

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Jane Sullivan - 21 Jul 2005 20:20 GMT
>On 21/07/2005 17:27, Andy Sollis- Churnet Valley model Railway Dept. wrote,
>
>> HTH
>
>Que??????

Hope that helps.
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Jane
OO in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html

Paul Boyd - 21 Jul 2005 21:25 GMT
On 21/07/2005 20:20, Jane Sullivan wrote,

>>>HTH
>>
>>Que??????
>>
> Hope that helps.

Yes it does - thanks!!!!!!!

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Andy Sollis-  Churnet Valley model Railway Dept. - 22 Jul 2005 14:59 GMT
??? No I didn't ?

Wasn't me being quoted.

Andy

On 21/07/2005 17:27, Andy Sollis- Churnet Valley model Railway Dept. wrote,

> HTH
Nigel Cliffe - 19 Jul 2005 19:56 GMT
> "Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com"> wrote...
>
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> also sell the appropriate motors, and will be able to tell you
> exactly which wheels you need and where to get them.

He will say what's needed. For most High Level kits you need wheels,
crankpins, axles and motor.
The wheels are usually from Alan Gibson, specifying the gauge (OO, EM, P4).
Gibson's crankpins are quite nice, though the bits are small and easily
lost - keep a strong magnet handy to find the washers and nuts should you
drop them in the carpet !
Motors are usually Mashima can motors, which High Level can supply.

> Everything else
> is included.  These are beautifully designed, and the parts really do
> go together nicely with a minimum of tools - filing to make bits fit
> just doesn't happen.

I'd go along with the plug for High Level for the same reasons.  But, I
would recommend building a few etched wagon kits (or similar) first to get
the hang of things - its a lot less expensive in cash and morale to build a
sub-standard wagon than a loco.

A High Level 0-4-0 is probably OK with a rigid chassis in OO, which removes
the complication of springing or three-point compensation. A OO version
would also have the wheels closer together which means any of the types with
outside cylinders have less critical clearance on the connecting rods and
crossheads.

I've just about finished assembling a High Level Hudswell Clark "Coronation"
0-4-0 to run on P4 track. Its a really nice loco to build, though you won't
do it in a couple of days. The instructions are very thorough, and it builds
to something which comes apart with nuts and bolts to make servicing and
painting easy; my only very minor cricisms are that the wheelsets don't drop
out (unless you change the design), and you have to be imaginative on how to
paint the cab interior (I've chosen to fit the cab roof with springy wires
so it can be removed).
The resulting loco has a 100:1 (or thereabouts) gearbox, which makes for a
very slow and controllable loco.
Its a lot simpler build than the Neilson "piano tank", where the tank
assembly is a bit complicated to make.

To build it I think this is a rough tools list which I used (*):
- soldering iron (I'm using a 50w temperature controlled Antex),
- solders and fluxes (eg. Carrs 188 for most of it, low melt useful for the
whitemetal bits),
- araldite to fix the backhead to the firebox (you might also want superglue
or araldite for a few other parts instead of soldering).
- small drill bits (and archemedian spiral drill) for drilling out wire
holes in castings (for cab fittings, etc).
- small saw to separate lost wax castings from sprues
- small vice for holding things
- tapered broaches for opening out holes in etches to take wire (small
packet of broaches is about £8 from tool suppliers such as Eileens or
Squires)
- small files (for holes and removal of tabs after assembly where they need
filing flush).
- tool for pushing out rivets, such as a scriber hit gently with a small
hammer
- hard cutting surface (eg. perspex sheet) to cut parts from etch.
- garryflex block and glass fibre pencil for cleaning up parts prior to
soldering
- bending tool (a brass door hinge is ideal and a lot cheaper than a "hold
and fold" tool !)
- screwdriver, small pilers, wire cutters, tweezers
- Eveleigh Clamp to hold things whilst soldering (
http://www.2mm.org.uk/mag0897/clamps.htm )

(* excluding the lathe & gubbins I used to fashion my own hornblocks for
suspension as you can either build it rigid or use commercial hornblocks).

- Nigel

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Ian Cornish - 19 Jul 2005 21:04 GMT
Nigel,
You suggest building some etched metal wagon kits first - I think that's
a good idea... can you recommend some suppliers?

>>"Ian Cornish" <"icornish at talk21 dot com"> wrote...
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>
> - Nigel
David Costigan - 19 Jul 2005 21:20 GMT
Another option would be to buy a ready-to-run locomotive chassis and a body
kit - the latter including the tender where appropriate.  An advantage of
this is that you start off knowing that the completed article should work -
unless you've inadvertently messed up the electrics - so you can concentrate
on the body.  I haven't got a copy of "Railway Modeller" handy but have a
fair idea that Southern Finecast (ex-Wills?) produce such white metal kits
and many fit onto a Hornby chassis.  Hope this helps, David Costigan
> Nigel,
> You suggest building some etched metal wagon kits first - I think that's
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> >
> > - Nigel
Alistair Wright - 19 Jul 2005 21:57 GMT
> Nigel,
> You suggest building some etched metal wagon kits first - I think that's a
> good idea... can you recommend some suppliers?

'5522' Models do a beginner's fret for a simple box van.  Designed to give
you practice in all the things you will be needing to do to build more
elaborate (and expensive) etched kits.
Price is GBP7 for one fret or GBP12 for a pair. Builds into LMS D 2079 or
LNER Cov B.  This a fret only hence the low price. You need to get all the
solid parts from other sources (but all are easily obtained). The idea is
that if you get the fret together OK then you buy the other bits to finish
the model.  If on the other hand you don't manage to build the thing then
you have only lost a small sum and have learned that maybe etched kits are
not for you. 300 frets have been sold so with no complaints so far so it
must be a reasonable test.

AlistairWright
'5522' Models
mailto: awhwright@btinternet.com if you are interested.
Nigel Cliffe - 20 Jul 2005 19:16 GMT
>> Nigel,
>> You suggest building some etched metal wagon kits first - I think
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> build more elaborate (and expensive) etched kits.
> Price is GBP7 for one fret or GBP12 for a pair.

Sounds like a decent suggestion for 4mm scale.

- Nigel

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