Make of Pullman Coach

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James Gardiner - 23 Nov 2005 22:08 GMT

I have has one of the blue Pullman "Golden Arrow" coaches sitting around
in a cupboard for years and now I think Ebay might be a better place
for it.
Now it does not seem to have any makers brands or marks in a visible spot.
Could anyone help me with what brand it is, it has the running number s
3095 and would appear to have the same dimensions as the mid 1970's
Hornby pullmans.

Thanks
Jim

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Rich Mackin - 23 Nov 2005 22:08 GMT

>I have has one of the blue Pullman "Golden Arrow" coaches sitting around in
>a cupboard for years and now I think Ebay might be a better place for it.
> Now it does not seem to have any makers brands or marks in a visible spot.
> Could anyone help me with what brand it is, it has the running number s
> 3095 and would appear to have the same dimensions as the mid 1970's Hornby
> pullmans.

Sounds like a Hornby R230 to me - the running number should be 'S309S'

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John Turner - 24 Nov 2005 00:28 GMT

I think only Hornby and Wrenn did the Golden Arrow Pullmans. I'd have
thought that the Hornby version would carry their name on the underside of
the chassis, so you may possibly have one of the Wrenn examples. Not 100%
sure but I think the Wrenn model has die-cast bogies, whilst those from
Hornby should be plastic.

John.

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Greg Procter - 24 Nov 2005 01:09 GMT

> I have has one of the blue Pullman "Golden Arrow" coaches sitting around
> in a cupboard for years and now I think Ebay might be a better place
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> 3095 and would appear to have the same dimensions as the mid 1970's
> Hornby pullmans.

Tri-ang did a three unit Pullman train with two power cars and a center coach.
Extra coaches to extend the train were available.
Kitmaster did the same train in plastic kit form.
Triang did their brown/creme SR Pullman coach in blue with CIWL markings for a
short time. (recognisable by the interior compartments not lining up with the
windows)

I'd imagine the Kitmaster model would have the name plastered on the
underframe somewhere, but then I'd expect "Tri-ang Made in England" to be on
Tri-ang models.

Regards,
Greg.P.

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John Turner - 24 Nov 2005 09:46 GMT

> Tri-ang did a three unit Pullman train with two power cars and a center
> coach.

That was the Midland Pullman and not the Golden Arrow which the OP was
asking about. The Golden Arrow Pullmans were just the standard Hornby
'Lucille' Pullman car painted in later blue/white lovery.

John.

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James Gardiner - 28 Nov 2005 22:13 GMT

>>Tri-ang did a three unit Pullman train with two power cars and a center
>>coach.
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>
> John.

Looks like its a Hornby.
Thanks to those that replied.

Cheers
Jim

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David Costigan - 29 Nov 2005 20:39 GMT

> >>Tri-ang did a three unit Pullman train with two power cars and a center
> >>coach.
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> Cheers
> Jim

I have seen (somewhere, can't remember where) that although the old Tri-ang
Blue Pullman was marketed as the "Midland Pullman" there were some
differences between the LMR and the WR sets. If I recall correctly and
amongst other things, the LMR sets were first class only while the WR
coaches included second class accommodation. What Tri-ang had actually
reproduced were (quite good) replicas of the WR power cars and intermediate
coaches. Anyone wanting a very accurate "Midland Pullman" would have had to
build the Kitmaster kits, and motorise the same.

David Costigan

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Make of Pullman Coach