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Model Forum / General / Railroads / June 2006Royal Train - further question
Hi again all I have just been musing about the concept pf the Royal Train and am wondering if anyone has available further info on 19th and early 20th century trains that were decked out to take royalty around. The questions I have include: Were they a special livery? Did the trains have elaborately fitted interiors, inc. sleeping, entertaining and dining? Was Pullman involved in any of the trains? IS there any available RTR stock that is readily available that I could convert to be a suitable facsimile of particularly the earliest Royal Trains? What additional livery do I need to apply to locomotives to indicate who it is carrying? Thanks Steve > Hi again all > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > What additional livery do I need to apply to locomotives to indicate who it > is carrying? For basic prototype information suggest you visit the NRM in York - even my wife, not a railway enthusiast, enjoyed looking at the carriages from the Victorian & Edwardian Royal Trains. And read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Train>  SignatureBruce Fletcher ricardianATbtinternetDOTcom Stronsay, Orkney <www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont> thanks for responding - I would love to go to the NRM but unfortunately am unable to do so, being in Australia. It isn't off the cards in the future though. Thanks Steve >> Hi again all >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the Victorian & Edwardian Royal Trains. > And read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Train> > Was Pullman involved in any of the trains? Pullman haven't been involved with trains in the UK since, I think, before W.W.II war years. -- Cheers Roger T. Home of the Great Eastern Railway http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ understand that - I was referring to the period preceding that time Thanks Steve >> Was Pullman involved in any of the trains? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Home of the Great Eastern Railway > http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ >Hi again all > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Steve Hi Steve There is a good book on the history of royal trains including may pictures and drawings of the stock used. Title Royal Trains Author Patrick Kingston ISBN 06000562875 Publisher Spring Books 1985 The full royal trains were for extended tours and had bedrooms, dining rooms and state rooms. Pullmans were used probably after your date of interest particulartly for short journeys say to portsmouth from London. There is a special head code for royal trains of 4 lamps. Regards Tony Cane Sceretary World War Two Railway Study Group excellent news =- now to find the book! Thanks Steve >>Hi again all >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Tony Cane > Sceretary World War Two Railway Study Group > Hi again all > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > could convert to be a suitable facsimile of particularly the earliest > Royal Trains? My understanding is that most if not all of what were to become the Big Four had their own Royal Train sets. I've got pics of the vehicles that made up the GWR sets and even some basic plans (from the Russel Books) from them. Drop me an email over the weekend and I'll scan them for you if required (the books are with the layout in the garage) > What additional livery do I need to apply to locomotives to indicate > who it is carrying? The engine would most usually carry the crest applicable to the most important passenger, the Royal Crest, those french flower things the Prince of Wales has and so forth. Often one on the front and one on each side. Engines could often also be temporarily re-named for the occassion to make their names more applicable to the passenger. The crests would be quite large, around the size of a smokebox door. Another thing they would do is dress up special trains for other important passengers .. say Gen Kitchener on a trip home following a little brush in the brushout in the Empire. In such cases the engines would often carry crests but they in this case they would often be a Union Jack wreath type afair draped around a effergy of a very pretty Britannia. Funeral trains ... purple ribbons for Royalty ... esp a King/Queen HIM The Empress of India etc. And as a final aside the GWR built a 060 pannier tank in to a pretend coach body for day to day use on the Windsor route for the use of lesser royals and the court. SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway will email now - do I remove the rubbish? Steve >> Hi again all >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > coach body for day to day use on the Windsor route for the use of lesser > royals and the court. > will email now - do I remove the rubbish? > > Steve Sorry Steve a combination of very long hours at work and a failed internet connection means that this is the first time I've seen your note. I'll do some scanning over the weekend re the GWR vehicles. my email: cwilson at britwar dot co dot uk ... as you've found out combinations of the other addresses get bounced. Sorry about that but I'm associated with so many sites (and of course emails) up until recently I've been getting several hundred invitations to meet "sally", enhance my manhood (not necessary!!!!) and invest in up and coming stocks a day. A new filterting regime has cut that down now to a few dozen a day ... quite managable. Hence I'm now just a little paranoid about providing links to working emails. SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway >> will email now - do I remove the rubbish? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >dozen a day ... quite managable. Hence I'm now just a little paranoid about >providing links to working emails. You mean you don't want a clockwork Percy? Hi Chris If you could email me - remove the obvious - I will be pleased to reply. Both my email attempts failed thanks Steve >> Hi again all >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > coach body for day to day use on the Windsor route for the use of lesser > royals and the court. For the visit of a foreign head of State, say the French President, the loco would be all bulled up to the nines, probably crossed British and French flags on the smokebox door, maybe red,white and blue drapings along the boiler handrails. For a short run such as from a Channel port to London, possibly Pullman cars could have been used, maybe one of the State cars as well. The make-up of Churchill's funeral train should be fairly easy to find out. Regards, Bill. > > Hi again all > > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > coach body for day to day use on the Windsor route for the use of lesser > royals and the court. > For the visit of a foreign head of State, say the French > President, the loco would be all bulled up to the nines, probably [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards, > Bill. E.g., http://www.semg.org.uk/misc/win-church_1.html SignatureMartin S. |
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