Exhibition: American layouts, Lancing, 28 October
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Mike Hughes - 23 Oct 2006 18:38 GMT Exhibition of American layouts at Boundstone School, Lancing, West Sussex Saturday 28 October 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
run by West Sussex American Group. All welcome
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Roger T. - 23 Oct 2006 20:03 GMT > Exhibition of American layouts at No Canadian ones then?
If not, I'm not going!
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Roger T.
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Mike Hughes - 24 Oct 2006 13:49 GMT >> Exhibition of American layouts at > >No Canadian ones then? > >If not, I'm not going! Of course there are! Including a G scale layout with sound.
I was using the word American in its continental sense rather than the country sense. Honest Injun guv :-))
If anyone can make it and feel up to some problem solving come and try my timesaver layout (it's just track so it's not pretty!). Looks easy - until you try it, I don't know of many that can do the very hard level but you're welcome to try !!!
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Roger T. - 24 Oct 2006 17:50 GMT "Mike Hughes"
>>No Canadian ones then? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was using the word American in its continental sense rather than the > country sense. Honest Injun guv :-)) You're forgiven. It's common error made by the Brits. It rates up there with the USAians calling everyone (Brits, Scots, Welsh, Irish) "English". As in, "I went to England and we visited Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast and London. All very nice 'English' cities."
If you don't want to piss off the Canadians and Mexicans, it's "North America", the correct name for this continent. The other Half is known as "South America".
Canadians, Mexicans and all the other peoples of North America do not like to be called "Americans". Sadly, the USofA as purloined "America" and "Americans" to as a national name and that's how they describe themselves, so the rest of us prefer "North America" or "North Americans". :-)
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Roger T.
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Jane Sullivan - 24 Oct 2006 19:30 GMT >"Mike Hughes" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >America", the correct name for this continent. The other Half is known as >"South America". Then there's the third half, called "Central America".
>Canadians, Mexicans and all the other peoples of North America do not like >to be called "Americans". Sadly, the USofA as purloined "America" and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Home of the Great Eastern Railway >http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/
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Roger T. - 24 Oct 2006 20:43 GMT "Jane Sullivan"
> Then there's the third half, called "Central America". Not "officially".
"Officially" there's only North and South America.
"Central America" is only a convenient description for those countries south of Mexico and north of Columbia. Central America is a narrow isthmus of southern North America extending from the Isthmus of Tehuantepec in Mexico south-eastward to the Isthmus of Panama where it connects to the Colombian Pacific Lowlands in north-western South America. It consists of the counties of Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panama. All "official" I believe, part of North America.
South America, I believe, starts south of Panama,
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Roger T.
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Mike Hughes - 24 Oct 2006 19:41 GMT >If you don't want to piss off the Canadians and Mexicans, it's "North >America", the correct name for this continent. The other Half is known as >"South America". Believe me I *do* know only too well. I've relatives in Edmonton, Alberta :-)
Now if you know any good places to go railfanning between Edmonton and Vancouver when I go there next year then just let me know!
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Roger T. - 24 Oct 2006 20:55 GMT > Now if you know any good places to go railfanning between Edmonton and > Vancouver when I go there next year then just let me know! > > -- > Mike Hughes Mike.
Sorry but I'm not much of a "railfan".
Edmonton has some large yards and if you are driving to Vancouver, there are excellent sites in the Rockies. Banff has some good sites, Revelstoke on the CPR is another good location. Get out of the car (In a safe spot) almost anywhere in the Frazer Canyon, the views are spectacular and you have the CNR and CPR on opposing sides of the canyon. When you reach Vancouver, Coquitlam for the CPR and Port Mann for the CNR, both have major yards. There are also places in Vancouver to photograph the Southern Railway of BC and Burlington Northern and, across the bridges to North Vancouver for the old BC rail (Now CNR) yards.
The best advice when photographing trains in North America is to head for the scruffiest and most rundown part of the city. That's where the rail yards are.
Remember, you'll be in North America. Take advantage of the fact that rail lines are NOT fenced, but beware of trespassing (Required official warning) though railway rights of way are freely used by many people as pathways. Don't be afraid to ask permission to enter rail facilities. If you ask the right person, at the right time, your frequently have no problems.
Keep in mind that other than the few passenger trains that you'll see, NO North America freight trains run to a timetable of any sort. trains leave when they are ready and arrive at their destination when they get there. So, expect movement on any track, in any direction, at any time.
Be safe and enjoy your trip.
-- Cheers
Roger T.
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Mike Hughes - 25 Oct 2006 17:17 GMT >> Now if you know any good places to go railfanning between Edmonton and >> Vancouver when I go there next year then just let me know! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Edmonton has some large yards and if you are driving to Vancouver, there are >excellent sites in the Rockies. Banff has some good sites, So does Jasper. Went there last year. Saw the Via rail trains in both directions and was able to drive right up next to the Rocky Mountaineer train in the yards
>Revelstoke on >the CPR is another good location. Get out of the car (In a safe spot) >almost anywhere in the Frazer Canyon, the views are spectacular and you have >the CNR and CPR on opposing sides of the canyon. Went through there *in the cab* of the loco about 20 years ago. Was taking photos when the engineer suggested that I would get better photos by opening the door. Did so, looked down about 500 ft or more and decided that I'd prefer it shut :-))
> When you reach Vancouver, >Coquitlam for the CPR and Port Mann for the CNR, both have major yards. Now that is somewhere I really want to see. Anyone know whether the stem train to Squamish (Royal Hudson?) will be running at end of July next year?
>There are also places in Vancouver to photograph the Southern Railway of BC >and Burlington Northern and, across the bridges to North Vancouver for the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Don't be afraid to ask permission to enter rail facilities. If you ask the >right person, at the right time, your frequently have no problems. Did that before and managed to get a cab ride from Vancouver to Boston Bar. Also was freely allowed to drive around the yard at Jasper. Canadian railway employees certainly seem to welcome railfans.
>Keep in mind that other than the few passenger trains that you'll see, NO >North America freight trains run to a timetable of any sort. trains leave >when they are ready and arrive at their destination when they get there. >So, expect movement on any track, in any direction, at any time. I'm aware of that but thanks for the reminder
>Be safe and enjoy your trip. Will do but I have to wait until next July
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Roger T. - 25 Oct 2006 18:25 GMT "Mike Hughes"
> Now that is somewhere I really want to see. Anyone know whether the stem > train to Squamish (Royal Hudson?) will be running at end of July next > year? As BC Rail has been taken over by the CNR a year or two ago and the "Hudson" hasn't been running for a few years before that, I'm not sure what the status of it is right now.
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Roger T.
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Larry Blanchard - 25 Oct 2006 22:35 GMT > Now if you know any good places to go railfanning between Edmonton and > Vancouver when I go there next year then just let me know! Not exactly railfanning, but there is a nice, albeit small, railroad museum in the north end of Edmonton IIRC. And Fort Edmonton Historical Park is worth a days time, even if the only train is a one mile or so tourist loop.
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Mike Hughes - 25 Oct 2006 23:29 GMT >> Now if you know any good places to go railfanning between Edmonton and >> Vancouver when I go there next year then just let me know! > >Not exactly railfanning, but there is a nice, albeit small, railroad museum in >the north end of Edmonton IIRC. And Fort Edmonton Historical Park is worth a >days time, even if the only train is a one mile or so tourist loop. Haven't ridden the train, but the Edmonton Model Railroad club has a large permanent layout there. Just hope I'm there when they have their monthly operating session next year.
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Larry Blanchard - 26 Oct 2006 16:44 GMT >>Not exactly railfanning, but there is a nice, albeit small, railroad museum >>in the north end of Edmonton IIRC. And Fort Edmonton Historical Park is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > large permanent layout there. Just hope I'm there when they have their > monthly operating session next year. Oops - I forgot to mention that. In fact, when I was there, I stood with my nose pressed to the glass long enough that one of the few members that were working that day took pity on me and gave me the grand tour. Quite a layout. And some of the best scenery I've seen, especially on a club layout.
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Steve W - 29 Oct 2006 01:58 GMT > You're forgiven. It's common error made by the Brits. It rates up there > with the USAians calling everyone (Brits, Scots, Welsh, Irish) "English". [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Americans" to as a national name and that's how they describe themselves, > so the rest of us prefer "North America" or "North Americans". :-) Roger, sadly or not, the fact remains that the USA *has* purloined the term "American".
Remember, it only appears to you to be an "error" because *you* are "there", whereas *we* are "here", that is to say, in the cradle of civilisation which exists entirely within the bounds of the M25.
Of all the places you have named, apart from London, all are outside the M25. Therefore it is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever how they like to be called, as *we* know to where we are referring.
It is believed that the Mexicans have been very tardy about instituting proper Gender Sensitivity and Sexual Orientation Guidance outreach programmes in their schools, and therefore it is entirely permissible to piss them off whenever the opportunity presents itself.
As for the other country to the south of Alaska, wasn't that called British North America? If the inhabitants wanted to be considered as "Americans", wouldn't they have re-named their country "Not-British Not-USA North America" or something equally catchy? Seems to me that they chose *not* to be Americans. Just like the British chose *not* to be Europeans, despite the efforts of the scum-bag traitor politicians who want to get on board the Brussels Gravy Train (available next year as a Hornby model with DCC fitted - just to keep it on-topic).
The fact that the Scots, Welsh, and Irish are not English is simply a result of Edward I's English soldiery being unable to find enough sheep, goats, and pigs to impregnate. So I'm told, anyway. And I certainly can't imagine anyone referring to Cardiff or Belfast as "nice" cities, English or otherwise. <shudder>
Hope this helps. Always happy to contribute to cordial relations between the nations.
Cheers, Steve
John Nuttall - 29 Oct 2006 07:21 GMT > Roger, sadly or not, the fact remains that the USA *has* purloined the > term "American". [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Cheers, > Steve I have a very good friend who is a Californian. When we want to wind him up we refer to him as a South Canadian.
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simon - 29 Oct 2006 22:36 GMT >> You're forgiven. It's common error made by the Brits. It rates up there >> with the USAians calling everyone (Brits, Scots, Welsh, Irish) "English". [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Cheers, > Steve Never been to Belfast or London then ! Wall of insularity kept em within M25 before motorway was built. Now they cant pack enough sandwhiches to last till they reach an exit. Cheers, Simon
Steve W - 30 Oct 2006 02:43 GMT >>> You're forgiven. It's common error made by the Brits. It rates up >>> there [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Cheers, > Simon The M25 was built primarily as a patrol perimeter road for the Army to keep out undesirables. Why would anyone need to reach an exit? If we need to go anywhere, we get a plane from the City Airport.
At least, that's what we will be doing until the Moslems get their hands on some SAMs.
Happy days, Steve
David Jackson - 30 Oct 2006 15:27 GMT The message <GMc1h.58492$3x1.9101@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk> from "Steve W" <deadend@yourservice.com> contains these words:
> The M25 was built primarily as a patrol perimeter road for the Army to keep > out undesirables. ITYM "keep the residents *in*" A couple of escapees reached here the other week, but their claims for asylum fell on unsympathetic ears and they were sent back to their miserable prison.
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emudas - 26 Oct 2006 22:55 GMT Mike.
Is there a list of what layouts and are attending please, so that we can decide if it's worth going?
Cheers
DaS
> Exhibition of American layouts at > Boundstone School, Lancing, West Sussex [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton > at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England Mike Hughes - 27 Oct 2006 10:08 GMT >Mike. > >Is there a list of what layouts and are attending please, so that we >can decide if it's worth going? > >Cheers http://www.samrc.co.uk/wsag1.htm
Not really a full listing as the site has not been updated recently. I have to say that the photos just do not do justice to the layouts.
In addition there will be a G scale 'layout' (an oval with 4 double ended sidings and a passing loop) on the stage.
I will be taking my 'Brakeman's Puzzle' layout which does not have any scenery. It looks easy to do - until you actually try it. If anyone on this group does turn up make yourself known and I might let you actually do the driving rather than just telling the operator (usually me) which direction to go and where to stop!
Mike
>DaS > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton >> at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England
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