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Model Forum / General / Railroads / December 2006Hornby Blue Pulman
See http://www.railssheffield.co.uk/products.asp?StockID=6748 Looks like the FM/HRT blue pulman train > See > > http://www.railssheffield.co.uk/products.asp?StockID=6748 > > Looks like the FM/HRT blue pulman train Interestingly "ex-lima Class 47" ! Looks as if the old Margate model has finally bitten the dust? (kim) >> See >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Looks as if the old Margate model has finally bitten the dust? What a shame, it was only 30 years old as well! :) Fred X > What a shame, it was only 30 years old as well! :) Indeed and how old is the Lima tooling? I'd reckon approaching 20 years, and of course it's pretty inacurrate as well! The bogie wheel base for starters is way out. John. > > What a shame, it was only 30 years old as well! :) > > Indeed and how old is the Lima tooling? I'd reckon approaching 20 years, > and of course it's pretty inacurrate as well! The bogie wheel base for > starters is way out. What annoys me is that at no more cost than the minority interest Class 50, 60 and now 56, Hornby could have produced world class versions of the 47, 37 and 40 which have a much wider appeal. (kim) > > > What a shame, it was only 30 years old as well! :) > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 60 and now 56, Hornby could have produced world class versions of the 47, 37 > and 40 which have a much wider appeal. Hmm, I would call all those locos anything other than minority interest, it just depends on era - someone cooing over a class 60 has little interest in a class 40, someone cooing over a class 40 has little interest in a class 60. My gripe is, for the less than the cost of yet another sector livery they could print pre TOPS numbers onto some of the already painted Rail Blue locos rather than their TOPS numbers... > What annoys me is that at no more cost than the minority interest Class > 50, > 60 and now 56, Hornby could have produced world class versions of the 47, > 37 > and 40 which have a much wider appeal. I'd agree that the 50 is minority interest, but the 56 and 60 are pretty mainstream. Hornby are supposedly releasing a 66 this year, and I'm told this will also be the old Lima model with a modified power bogie. It should give the Bachmann model a run for its money ....................... not! John. > > What annoys me is that at no more cost than the minority interest Class > > 50, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'd agree that the 50 is minority interest, but the 56 and 60 are pretty > mainstream. For a short while until ousted by even more modern locomotives whereas the stuff from 40 years ago remains popular for decades. The 56 and 60 will be "mainstream" one day but not for very many years. I deliberately cited the 37, 40 and 47 as they were used nationwide and I believe the market can support three concurrent versions of each, Bachmann, Hornby and Heljan. > Hornby are supposedly releasing a 66 this year, and I'm told this will also > be the old Lima model with a modified power bogie. It should give the > Bachmann model a run for its money ....................... not! There will still be people who buy it if it is by Hornby and is cheaper than the Bachmann alternative. (kim) > > What a shame, it was only 30 years old as well! :) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. The bogie wheelbase is about right - for us HO scale modellers! Regards, Greg.P. > See > > http://www.railssheffield.co.uk/products.asp?StockID=6748 > > Looks like the FM/HRT blue pulman train Also look at: http://www.railssheffield.co.uk/list/1prod_list.asp?ManufacturerID=1 for other new for 2007 stuff. Was this already public or have Rails let the cat out of the bag a little early? ROB >> See >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ROB Oh dear, poor rails. But thank you, what a wonderful sight those new beauties ! Simon > > See > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > for other new for 2007 stuff. Was this already public or have Rails let the > cat out of the bag a little early? How much is really new as opposed to reworking of existing products? The Stanier 2-6-4t is just a rebodied Fowler but very welcome all the same. As for the rebuilt Scot and Patriot, mutton dressed as lamb. (kim) >> > See >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > (kim) Youve confused me there ... new as a model or new as in different prototype ? Just from memory theres the sequence :- Fowler tank -> Stanier tank -> Fairburn tank -> Ivatt Tank -> standard tank This is just the obvious development, but some say theres been nothing new in the development of the steam loco - except minor refinements - since 1905. Rebuilt Scot and Patriot as "mutton dressed as lamb", are you in wind up mode or is it that you only like D&E ? This is once again the year for the discerning modeller (there was the one with LMS Pacifics, then the Black 5 and 8F). Cheers, Simon > >> > See > >> > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > Youve confused me there ... new as a model or new as in different prototype Only the body is new. The chassis is the same as the existing Fowler. > Just from memory theres the sequence :- > Fowler tank -> Stanier tank -> Fairburn tank -> Ivatt Tank -> standard tank The Fairburn was 2-6-4t. The Ivatt was 2-6-2t. > This is just the obvious development, but some say theres been nothing new > in the development of the steam loco - except minor refinements - since > 1905. > > Rebuilt Scot and Patriot as "mutton dressed as lamb", are you in wind up > mode or is it that you only like D&E ? It's a re-release of the old "Super Detail" models. You don't imagine Hornby have tooled completely new versions do you? (kim) > It's a re-release of the old "Super Detail" models. You don't imagine > Hornby > have tooled completely new versions do you? I didn't realise that Hornby had ever done Rebuilt Scots or Patriots in the past. John. > > It's a re-release of the old "Super Detail" models. You don't imagine > > Hornby > > have tooled completely new versions do you? > > I didn't realise that Hornby had ever done Rebuilt Scots or Patriots in the > past. I stand corrected. Apologies to Simon. So what happens to Bachmann's proposed new LMS locos now? Do they go head-to-head with Hornby or quietly drop them from the range? (kim) >> > It's a re-release of the old "Super Detail" models. You don't imagine >> > Hornby [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So what happens to Bachmann's proposed new LMS locos now? Do they go > head-to-head with Hornby or quietly drop them from the range? The thing that interested me on the list was the GWR 4-2-2.  Signatureestarriol > The thing that interested me on the list was the GWR 4-2-2. Just the old 'Lord of the Isles' model, of which a limited edition train pack arriuved in stock this week. John. >> The thing that interested me on the list was the GWR 4-2-2. > > Just the old 'Lord of the Isles' model, of which a limited edition train > pack arriuved in stock this week. Damn I was hoping for something new and nice. Signatureestarriol Did you mean this one: Caledonian Single Train Pack Ltd Ed 2500 (DCC Ready) *NEW 2007* Craig >> The thing that interested me on the list was the GWR 4-2-2. > > Just the old 'Lord of the Isles' model, of which a limited edition train > pack arriuved in stock this week. > > John. > Caledonian Single Train Pack Ltd Ed 2500 (DCC Ready) *NEW 2007* Aye but Hornby's idea of *NEW* isn't the same as mine. In their case it simply means it wasn't in the previous year's catalogue in that guise. John. With pre-grouping rtr models a bit thin on the ground I have to say that the re-release of the triang model is welcome. hopefully it will have some small refinements such as sprung buffers perhaps? Obviously the standard of decoration will be far higher in comparison with the triang model and in particular, the coaches (CR bogie coaches have not been produced for years, hopefully these will be availiable either as a coach pack or individually at some point in the future?) >> Caledonian Single Train Pack Ltd Ed 2500 (DCC Ready) *NEW 2007* > > Aye but Hornby's idea of *NEW* isn't the same as mine. In their case it > simply means it wasn't in the previous year's catalogue in that guise. > > John. > With pre-grouping rtr models a bit thin on the ground I have to say that the > re-release of the triang model is welcome. How do you mean? Bachmann only just released a Fairburn in Caledonian Blue :o) (kim) And now you come to mention it there was that Bulleid Merchant Navy in CR colours.... Craig >> With pre-grouping rtr models a bit thin on the ground I have to say that > the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) > So what happens to Bachmann's proposed new LMS locos now? Do they go > head-to-head with Hornby or quietly drop them from the range? Who knows, I hope Bachmann go ahead with them, I personally prefer their models to the flimsy things Hornby are currently churning out, and expect my locos to be able to pull more than the Hornby Black 5 which has pathetic haulage qualities. John. >> So what happens to Bachmann's proposed new LMS locos now? Do they go >> head-to-head with Hornby or quietly drop them from the range? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. If you with your contacts say who knows then presume even Bachmann dont ! Hornby have left the field open for bachmann to do parallel boilers, all Jubilees, all Claughtons and all prince of wales - so that should keep em busy till 2025. The black 5 - best runner I've got, pulls everything in sight without problem. Crab is a good runner too, but thats a bit light on its feet - sure youre not thinking of that one ? I'm going, I'm going ... Simon > The black 5 - best runner I've got, pulls everything in sight without > problem. Crab is a good runner too, but thats a bit light on its feet - > sure youre not thinking of that one ? I've tried three (I think) different Black 5s and not one will pull 30 modern items of freight rolling stock on my layout which is without gradients and has generous curves. In fact it doesn't perform as well as Bachmann's recent Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0, although I agree the 'Crab' isn't too hot in the haulage stakes either. I expect a model to be capable of hauling something approaching that which the prototype could manage, so I'd expect a Black 5 to be comfortable with 50 vans. John. >> It's a re-release of the old "Super Detail" models. You don't imagine >> Hornby [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John. If they come out as tender drive (as modified from current Patriot and Airfix tooling - if theyve got it) then someone (JT) will have a field day ! Simon > If they come out as tender drive (as modified from current Patriot and > Airfix tooling - if theyve got it) then someone (JT) will have a field day > ! They'll need to do rather more than modify either of those to get me excited - both models are/were a joke. John. >> If they come out as tender drive (as modified from current Patriot and >> Airfix tooling - if theyve got it) then someone (JT) will have a field [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John. You were supposed to wait till it was announced - just after hell froze over. But why do I like them - wish had seen Airfix one before Mainline. Simon >> >> > See >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > (kim) True, did say from memory ! OK, but it would have been :- Fowler tank -> Stanier tank -> Fairburn tank -> (Ivatt Tank - but he only had a couple of years and Fairburn Tank was most likely designed by or for Ivatt anyway) -> (Standard Tank - had Riddles not been such an excellent manager and let Brighton have some work). 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