R&D Models in Cambridge
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Tony Clarke - 26 Mar 2007 19:17 GMT I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages and it was shut at 5pm with a big sign in the window saying CLOSING DOWN SALE. Not entirely unpredictable since Doug Bell seems to have run the shop on his own for ages with quiet trade, but any modellers in the Cambridge area might want to nip in and help him liquidate his stock. Usually a fair range of current Hornby and Bachmann in the display case, plus some secondhand, Dapol/Wills kits, Expo tools, etc. Usual disclaimers: I've been shopping there for years since they were in King Street and it's always a bit sad to see another shop go. Dunno if he'll continue to do stalls at local shows - he's previously been seen at Shelford (which will be this Sat) and Royston (Nov) among others.
Tony Clarke
cctransuk - 27 Mar 2007 14:23 GMT Tony,
I was there on opening day when Doug went into business - at that time at Mitchum's Corner.
Doug is offering 25% off all stock - well worth a visit even under such sad circumstances.
Regards, John Isherwood.
John Turner - 27 Mar 2007 15:43 GMT > I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages Therein lies the problem.
John.
Chris Wilson - 27 Mar 2007 21:27 GMT "John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:8 _KdnUCozI0fsJTbRVnytAA@eclipse.net.uk:
>> I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages > > Therein lies the problem. Yup that's my problem with my own local shop (about half an hour away).
But the problem is that I'm regularly working 10 and 12 hour days (and sometimes longer) and I'm simply to shagged to nip out for a quick browse.
And of course when I do have a day or two off SWMBO has a list as long as your arm of "little jobs" for me to do ... and likewise I'm shagged anyway from the previous week and all I want to do is put my feet up.
That's why I buy so much from the internet - I'd love to spend more in my local shop, the chaps who run it are a pair of really great guys but I can't aford the couple of hours involved in a visit.
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Elliott Cowton - 28 Mar 2007 18:12 GMT Tony Clarke said:
> > > I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages John Turner said:
> > Therein lies the problem. And "Chris Wilson" said:
> But the problem is that I'm regularly working 10 and 12 hour days (and > sometimes longer) and I'm simply to shagged to nip out for a quick browse. An interesting thought on this sentiment...
In the mid 90s I was lent to the Americans and I spent a very interesting 3 years living and working in and around Washington DC.
Shopping there was "different". For a start, it was my introduction to 24 hour supermarkets and that was where I learnt that the best time to food shop is often at 0500.
I worked for the US Govt and we typically started at around 0700 in the morning and worked until 1600. For most of my staff this meant an 0500 start from home and an 1800 return time.
"Business" (at least those I dealt with) typically seemed to start up at around 0800 and finish at around 1700
"Retail" on the other hand started up at 10 and my local hobby shop (Action Hobbies of Burke, Va.) closed at 2000; and the big stores and malls often stayed open until 2200.
My take on this was that it actually made it easier for me to drop into my "local" store at a time that was convenient to me, often on my way home, and the guys running Action Hobbies certainly seemed to do quite a lot of their business in the evenings. It also made us change our general shopping habits quite a lot, often popping out to the shops at around 1800, something we just can't do in the UK.
BIG BUT: As some of you will be aware, I am currently helping out in a model shop down this way, and I am not sure I would actually want to work that sort of regime myself, but it might make an interesting experiment to see if it would actually work in this country, and more to the point to see if it would make life any easier for people in Chris's situation.
Elliott
John Turner - 28 Mar 2007 19:12 GMT > "Retail" on the other hand started up at 10 and my local hobby shop > (Action > Hobbies of Burke, Va.) closed at 2000; and the big stores and malls often > stayed open until 2200. When we first opened back in 1987 we made a serious attempt to attract those who couldn't get to the shop during 'normal' shopping hours, but after three or four years of sitting twiddling our thumbs until 8pm (admittedly on just one night per week) we gave this up as a bad job and started opening the same hours as all the other shops around us. Remarkably enough our turnover increased slightly following this!
John.
Mark Goodge - 28 Mar 2007 20:48 GMT >> "Retail" on the other hand started up at 10 and my local hobby shop >> (Action [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >same hours as all the other shops around us. Remarkably enough our turnover >increased slightly following this! I think that's fair enough. On the whole, most people expect most shops (with the exception of supermarkets and conveniwence stores) to have "normal" opening hours, and aren't particularly interested in shopping outside those times. If your shop is in a typical street location with other shops, then there's little point in being open when they're not anyway as you'll get no passing trade. People who can't go shopping durimg normal shopping hours tend to turn to the Internet as the best alternative rather than hunting around for a shop that opens at odd times.
It might be different if we had a culture of all-hours shopping (and if you're part of a shopping area that has a "late night shopping" period in the run-up to Christmas then it can be very lucrative), but it generally doesn't work for individual shops that don't sell food, fags or booze.
Mark
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Chris Wilson - 28 Mar 2007 21:07 GMT ..
> I think that's fair enough. On the whole, most people expect most > shops (with the exception of supermarkets and conveniwence stores) to > have "normal" opening hours, and aren't particularly interested in > shopping outside those times. ... To damned true!
<male chauvenist pig mode>What it means if there is any late night shopping to be done is that Mrs W has forgotton to stock up on the groceries during the day so she can nip out and set the situation right, I'll be beggared if I'm stepping out of the house once I've got home.</male chauvenist pig mode>
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Chris Wilson
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Bruce Fletcher - 28 Mar 2007 23:49 GMT > <male chauvenist pig mode>What it means if there is any late night shopping > to be done is that Mrs W has forgotton to stock up on the groceries during > the day so she can nip out and set the situation right, I'll be beggared if > I'm stepping out of the house once I've got home.</male chauvenist pig > mode> Up here in the more civilised bit of the UK we have two shops on the island. If you run out of something REALLY important (gas, petrol, booze, fags) then a quick phone call to either of our shops will soon solve the problem.
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theoldsalt - 29 Mar 2007 01:06 GMT > Up here in the more civilised bit of the UK we have two shops on the > island. If you run out of something REALLY important (gas, petrol, booze, > fags) then a quick phone call to either of our shops will soon solve the > problem. Well, down here in the sunny south-west (which, it has to be said, is even more civilised than your frozen northern viking bit!), we don't have *any* shops, so if you run out of *anything*, irrespective of how important it is, you're stuffed and you do without until another day. (That's how I gave up smoking a few years ago - ran out of tobacco!)
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Brian Watson - 28 Mar 2007 09:36 GMT >> I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages > > Therein lies the problem. Exactly.
The hypocrites who decry the loss of local businesses are the same ones who "one stop shop" at supermarkets and obsess about shopping online.
Use it or lose it.
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Tony Clarke - 31 Mar 2007 00:53 GMT "John Turner"
"Tony Clarke" wrote
> > I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages > > Therein lies the problem. I'd love to confess to being the source of his decline, but I'm not. By "ages" I mean about four or five weeks. I don't buy modelling stuff online, I'm not a "collector" who only goes into a shop when there's a limited edition from a RTR manufacturer and then moan because he charges a quid more than some some garage outlet (no Mint Boxed me, I want stuff to weather and run), and I have no interest in military modelling or dolls house kits which is where much of his stock is concentrated. I buy secondhand items, bits of K&S brass for scratchbuilds and the odd Dapol or Coopercraft kit, but I've never moaned for discount. I've bought oddments from his trade stall at shows where he's bothered to stand there all afternoon, so I understand what an ungrateful area model retailing is. The best model outlet in my area for variety of stock is KS Models of Stevenage but I go there once in a blue moon. Big shopping list stuff I do at events like Expo EM, being an EMGS member (and Alan Gibson wants to sell up now, so who's taking on his market share?). So who's not supporting the retail trade? He's had money off me over the years without a word of complaint. It's happening all over: Doug wants to retire having done his bit (and put in the hours since his loyal sidekick Mike retired a couple of years ago having also trogged out to Saturday exhibitions) and Cambridge shop rents have long ago forced out any modest enterprise.
Did we all read Tim Shackleton's editorial in MRJ a couple of issues ago, in which he reckons that railway modelling however finescale will be all but extinct in a generation, both exhibition and retail? We are the last of it. What will we do to change it, eh? Something I'm pondering, being also possibly the last generation who'll enjoy traditional chemical photography before that too gets turned compulsorily digital and made into a managed pursuit for a culture permanently indoors, monetised, and alienated from any idea of a tactile hobby.
Tony Clarke
Chris - 27 Mar 2007 18:39 GMT > I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages and it > was shut at 5pm with a big sign in the window saying CLOSING DOWN SALE. Not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tony Clarke Been there a few times when visiting Cambridge sad to see it go.
Chris
Ed Callaghan - 27 Mar 2007 21:17 GMT > I went past the shop this afternoon for the first time in ages and it > was shut at 5pm with a big sign in the window saying CLOSING DOWN SALE. Not > entirely unpredictable since Doug Bell seems to have run the shop on his own > for ages with quiet trade, I'm afraid I found it rather intimidating because the man behind the counter (I don't know if it was the proprietor) was always so miserable and unwelcoming, and you had to walk past him to get in. Never once saw him smile. Quite a contrast to the welcome I once got as a stranger in Hull. For that reason I generally went to Great Eastern at Norwich when I could.
Tony Clarke - 31 Mar 2007 01:23 GMT "Ed Callaghan" wrote ,
> I'm afraid I found it rather intimidating because the man behind the > counter (I don't know if it was the proprietor) was always so > miserable and unwelcoming, and you had to walk past him to get in. > Never once saw him smile. Quite a contrast to the welcome I once got > as a stranger in Hull. For that reason I generally went to Great > Eastern at Norwich when I could. Doug has a funny manner about him, but I'd not regard it as "intimidating", more traditional Norfolk deadpan. Maybe being a shop proprietor makes you a bit mad? Seriously, a nation of shopkeepers is also a nation of introvert eccentrics, spending too much time in seething silence, which is why the French (who originally levelled this accusation at the English via Napoleon) do Basil Fawlty to the max to this day without a shred of self-reproach, sitting in their rural subsidised glory complaining that politicians take no notice.
I've been to GE Models too but not much liked their stock - and frankly three-quarters of their stock is toys, which is the way most shops make a living, but it's not that much of an excuse to go out to the far end of Plumstead Road, since I visit Norwich by train - so give me Doug and his corncrake manner any day. He's stuck with model retailing thirty years which is way longer than most do it.
Yes, at shows, you see the best of the trade, because people turn up with shiny cards and wads of tenners and BUY BUY BUY because it's the premium event of the year and all the high players are there. Gibson, Connoisseur, Comet, SE Finecast, C&L, Eileen's, the whole lot. Outside of Ally Pally, Expo, Scaleforum - what's the volume that pays the wages? I think all British retail is in the same situation: show selling does for modelling what farmers' markets do for food; a spasm of proper profit that pays for the misery of waiting for someone to find you in between times. Brit railway modelling supplies are a thing of some wonder in the mass, but individually it's all one-man bands doing stuff in a shed and making a living - part or full time, they don't like to embarrass us with their finances - that pays maybe a five figure salary off five figure sales. Adam Smith would be impressed, but maybe many a bank manager isn't.
MRJ's Small Suppliers Forum valiantly announces what's new, but delving through back issues I frequently wonder "are they still going?" We rarely see an RIP for micro-enterprises that call it a day for whatever reason, do we? Luckily there's been consolidation: C&L have taken over the legacy of the late Carl Legg (CPL Products) and I hope that Alan Gibson's empire will likewise be a goer in new packaging when he quits at Christmas.
Tony Clarke
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