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Gerald H - 19 Jun 2007 20:51 GMT Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with the wheels (not the one reproduced by Ultrascale unfortunately) for a Mainline Warship?
John Turner - 19 Jun 2007 21:02 GMT > Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a > Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with > the wheels (not the one reproduced by Ultrascale unfortunately) for a > Mainline Warship? The bogie wheel shouldn't be too much trouble, there should be enough dead Jubilees around to allow you to pick one up easily enough. Try Model Spares in Burnley or one of the other retailers that specialise in breaking models for spares.
The Warship gear is another matter. I would say out of the last 24 'used' Mainline Warships which have been through my hands around 22 had the split/broken gear issue to some extent or other.
I generally reckon you can make one good Warship out of three, so if you're looking to acquire another one for spares be careful you don't duplicate your existing problem.
John.
Peter Abraham - 20 Jun 2007 07:03 GMT >> Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a >> Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with >> the wheels (not the one reproduced by Ultrascale unfortunately) for a >> Mainline Warship?
Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies.
Regards
John Turner - 20 Jun 2007 08:32 GMT > Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. Indeed, except the Bachmann Jubilee is discontinued and in the process of being completely re-tooled. I doubt they will have any/many spares for the old model, but it's certainly worth investigating.
John.
kim - 20 Jun 2007 21:31 GMT >> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. > > Indeed, except the Bachmann Jubilee is discontinued and in the process of > being completely re-tooled. They don't even list the replacement chassis for the Jubilee any more.
(kim)
Peter Abraham - 21 Jun 2007 06:05 GMT >>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >(kim) Granted , but then -- the parallel boiler scot chassis fits all of those 4-6-0 models. I have been buying individual spares from Bachmann for all kinds of "oldies" at very respectable prices. It takes just an email to make the enquiry.
kim - 21 Jun 2007 18:29 GMT >>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > for all kinds of "oldies" at very respectable prices. It takes just > an email to make the enquiry. I wasn't complaining. I think it was noble of Bachmann to have supported Mainline with spares for as long as they did.
(kim)
Peter Abraham - 21 Jun 2007 21:00 GMT >>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >(kim) Hum, I didn't think that you were. It was not obvious that Bachmann would and could support so many discontinued lines. On the contrary it seems that Hornby body spares will never be available by commercial policy. To me, this is a poor decision as profit is greater in this field. This type of mistake was made by the UK car industry back in the 60's and they never recovered from it after the japanese stepped into the gap.
simon - 21 Jun 2007 23:39 GMT >>>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the 60's and they never recovered from it after the japanese stepped > into the gap. It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new chassis.
Cheers, Simon
John Turner - 21 Jun 2007 23:45 GMT > It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were > really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new > chassis. I'm not so sure they were quite that altruistic. Spares were provided for their then range of products some of which happened to be developments of the old Mainline range. Some parts were common to both ranges, others like the complete chassis were direct replacements. I'm sure it makes more financial sense for a manufacturer to sell a complete chassis rather than mess around with individual components.
John.
simon - 22 Jun 2007 00:16 GMT >> It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were >> really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John. Agree with you totally, no sugesstion of altruism - more likely they spotted a good way to make some money with the complete chassis. Excellent idea that.
CHeers, Simon
kim - 22 Jun 2007 01:31 GMT >>> It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were >>> really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > spotted a good way to make some money with the complete chassis. Excellent > idea that. They could have forced Mainline customers to buy a whole new engine instead of selling them a replacement chassis.
(kim)
Greg Procter - 22 Jun 2007 01:57 GMT > >>> It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were > >>> really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > They could have forced Mainline customers to buy a whole new engine instead > of selling them a replacement chassis. True, but think of the goodwill generated by the sale of superior chassis at a small saving over the new loco price!
Greg.P.
John Turner - 22 Jun 2007 08:40 GMT > They could have forced Mainline customers to buy a whole new engine > instead of selling them a replacement chassis. Nah, we (and other retailers) would have split chassis from complete locos and then sold the loco body and tender seperately.
John.
John Nuttall - 22 Jun 2007 11:33 GMT >>>> It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were >>>> really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > (kim) The chassis were useful for jobs other than replacement of Mainline units. I can't be the only person who fitted a Bachmann Manor chassis to a K's Grange or a Bachmann Pannier chassis to a Lima 94xx.
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John
kim - 22 Jun 2007 01:43 GMT >>>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > Hum, I didn't think that you were. And I didn't think that you thought I was :o)
> It was not obvious that Bachmann > would and could support so many discontinued lines. On the contrary [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the 60's and they never recovered from it after the japanese stepped > into the gap. In the case of British car marques and their spare parts departments of which I have personal knowledge you are mistaken. When I queried the cost of parts at the time, a friend who worked at Stanpart (later Unipart) assured me they made far more from the sales of spares than they ever did from selling complete cars. Apparently, if you were to assemble a complete vehicle from the parts supplied by his company, it would cost you ten times what it cost in the showroom. I could bore you to death with stories of what was wrong with the British car industry but an ability to make money from their spares departments was not one of them. Also in "Motoring Which" surveys of the period, British marques came head and shoulders above any foreign import with regard to the costs of repairs and parts.
(kim)
Greg Procter - 22 Jun 2007 02:02 GMT > >>>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > (kim) I remember back in the days when I owned an old Morris (c1970), the main agent didn't have a part I needed in stock and informed me that their policy was to only stock spares for vehicles up to eight years old. (all their current designs were at leat eight years old at the time) I stopped buying BMC vehicles from that moment on.
Regards, Greg.P.
Peter Abraham - 22 Jun 2007 08:41 GMT >> In the case of British car marques and their spare parts departments of >> which I have personal knowledge you are mistaken. When I queried the cost of [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Regards, >Greg.P. W hen I spent a short while under training at GEC (ex BTH) at Rugeley they took in two Generators from India for repair. The oldest dating from 1908 and the pair were pre WWII.
Whilst based at Portland Naval Base I was presented with a Norwegian U class submarine (ex UK circa 1936) and a Portugese loch class frigate ( unchanged in any way since 1940).
The expectation (and sentiment in general) was :- It is British, please mend it!
It was our function and we never let anyone down.
Modelling to me is an extension of this and rarely do I bin things --- if I am brutally honest, the empty boasts of the guys with newly financially acquired perfection tend to irritate . You cannot buy the kind of pleasure I get from my models.
Greg, living in NZ ( don't know his era) would have parents or even grand parents who like my Kiwi friends thought of cars in the 1950's as being new if they were under 10 years old, as unlike salt ridden UK, their road vehicles never rotted away.
Greg Procter - 22 Jun 2007 21:46 GMT > >> In the case of British car marques and their spare parts departments of > >> which I have personal knowledge you are mistaken. When I queried the cost of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > as being new if they were under 10 years old, as unlike salt ridden > UK, their road vehicles never rotted away. In 1970 the average age of cars in NZ must have been about 12 years, with plenty of 1950s and even pre-wars around.
As far as my models go, I have steadily upgraded my (European) rolling stock as better models have appeared. The oldest items in my model collection (as opposed to "collectors items" HD/TTR/Triang) are now 30 years old. I'd happily replace those with better detailed items if they existed, but meanwhile they represent prototypes required. While British models offered have gone through vast improvements in recent years I'll bet there are still 30 year old models in use with no modern replacements!
Greg.P.
beamendsltd - 22 Jun 2007 14:35 GMT > >>>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > (kim) And still do! Average time in our workshop waiting for LR or Rover (yes, still available - in fact one of our suppliers is setting up new supply chain!) really obscure spares - 24hr. Average time for Jap 4x4's (often for trivial spares) 3 weeks. Jeep win hands down though - often months. Jap cars are ok, but only as most stuff is available from the aftermarket. Spares are still available for 1948 Series I Land Rovers too - try getting anything for a 10 year old Land Cruiser!
Richard
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Greg Procter - 22 Jun 2007 21:53 GMT > > >>>>>> Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies. > > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > aftermarket. Spares are still available for 1948 Series I Land Rovers > too - try getting anything for a 10 year old Land Cruiser! Here in NZ a minor ding or breakdown can take some Jap cars off the road for months! The likes of Honda make their spares so that aftermarket manufacturers have a difficult time, eg axle shafts and sockets with two splines filled, alternating every month or so, headlights with pegs to match body sockets etc. The parts have to match the chassis number. With such a small market and much the same range as other nations it just isn't economic to hold all the spares.
Greg.P.
Peter Abraham - 22 Jun 2007 22:25 GMT >> And still do! Average time in our workshop waiting for LR or Rover >> (yes, still available - in fact one of our suppliers is setting up [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Greg.P. OK , I capitulate: Jap = crap.
I have driven Opel Astras for the past 37 years and will not have a word said against them! My Renault Trafic is also 12 years old and still going strong.
Many of my models are at least 25 years old although I do like the Bachmann range ( few of which are in the present catalogue).
Greg Procter - 23 Jun 2007 04:34 GMT > >> And still do! Average time in our workshop waiting for LR or Rover > >> (yes, still available - in fact one of our suppliers is setting up [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > OK , I capitulate: Jap = crap. I didn't say that - only their spares supply is crap.
> I have driven Opel Astras for the past 37 years and will not have a > word said against them! We don't get those here - Holdens and Vauxhalls - something is probably the same but with different badges.
> My Renault Trafic is also 12 years old and > still going strong. I had 1960s-70s Renaults - R8s, R8/10 auto and R12s. The R8 has to be my favourite car of all time (in memory :-)
> Many of my models are at least 25 years old although I do like the > Bachmann range ( few of which are in the present catalogue). Peter Abraham - 23 Jun 2007 06:40 GMT >> >Greg.P. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Many of my models are at least 25 years old although I do like the >> Bachmann range ( few of which are in the present catalogue). There have been worse things in the car world! Mercedes did everything the hard way and charged back teeth for spares. My top gamme Volvo 760 cost 1000 GBP to service 15 years ago and yet several main dealerships could not remedy defects in the cruise control or air conditioning. I never did buy another one. Opel = Vauxhall = Bedford = GM = Isuzu, did GM take over Holden?
I equate DCC with Volvo, one control failure = death to the system!
Long live DC.
Greg Procter - 23 Jun 2007 22:25 GMT > >> >Greg.P. > >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > conditioning. I never did buy another one. Opel = Vauxhall = > Bedford = GM = Isuzu, did GM take over Holden? Holden has been GM since 1948 - I think there might have been an Aussie importer (of something else) taken over at that time but the cars are and always have been pure GM. I think the first one was a still-born US small car :-) design uprated for Aussie conditions. (I'm gonna have the Holden fans battering my door for that one)
The basic big Holden since has been Aussie designed since but their smaller models have been strengthened Opels ... with various motors. They tried to produce a 4 cylinder version of their six for the Opel'escue shell (Holden Misfire) but quickly bought Opel motors, then Izusu, then ... The little ones are rebadged Jap stuff.
> I equate DCC with Volvo, one control failure = death to the system! > > Long live DC. Wilson.R.Adams - 23 Jun 2007 21:03 GMT > Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a > Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with > the wheels (not the one reproduced by Ultrascale unfortunately) for a > Mainline Warship? Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry spares for the Mainline Class 45 ?
Wilson
Wilson.R.Adams - 28 Jun 2007 18:21 GMT >> Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a >> Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Wilson Thanks for the help. I guess it was a waste of time asking a simple question. Since nobody bothered to reply.
Wilson
estarriol - 28 Jun 2007 18:27 GMT >>> Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a >>> Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wilson That's probably a No then, unless you wanted everyone to say they didn't.
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simon - 28 Jun 2007 23:33 GMT >>> Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry >>> spares for the Mainline Class 45 ? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > That's probably a No then, unless you wanted everyone to say they didn't. As the gentleman seems a little upset, heres a positive 'no idea' from me :- Sorry, no idea.
Cheers, Simon
John Turner - 28 Jun 2007 23:37 GMT > Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry > spares for the Mainline Class 45 ? No idea here Wilson - your best source of spares is probably going to be another similar loco, but whether you'll find one in Northern Ireland is a different matter.
John.
Peter Abraham - 29 Jun 2007 07:41 GMT >> Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry >> spares for the Mainline Class 45 ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >John. Good Morning Wilson, Please do not get upset at the lack of negatives. Mainline is not supported and its fans have to innovate or cannibalise. It is not at all uncommon to get zero replies to supply, technical or operational questions. Nit picking is very popular, as is the indication of acquiring the latest cherry! A quick scan of the last n thousand posts will not reveal much on modelling, plenty of wit(?) and an amazing lack of patience with newcomers or novices in need of help.
Have a good day.
Peter A Montarlot
Wilson Adams - 29 Jun 2007 22:57 GMT >>> Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry >>> spares for the Mainline Class 45 ? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Peter A >Montarlot Hi Peter, Thanks for the advice. I just thought I'd ask a simple question, and hoped someone might come up with an answer. But as it turned out I struck lucky on ebay in picking up a class 45 for spares. Problem is, this one is a runner, it just needs some of the wheels replaced. The only part I was looking for was the cogs to connect the wheels to the motor, so as I could get my class 45 running again. Still, it will be broken up for spares to keep my three other class 45's running when the need arise's.
Wilson
Wilson Adams - 29 Jun 2007 22:57 GMT >> Does anybody know of any model railway shops that might still carry >> spares for the Mainline Class 45 ? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >John. Thanks John,
Got it sorted. The next time I'll check out ebay.
Wilson
Ps; not able to make it over in July, but should be over either late August or early September.
John Turner - 30 Jun 2007 16:04 GMT > Ps; not able to make it over in July, but should be over either late > August or early September. They way things are going mate I'd bring a brolly and some wellies.
John.
John Turner - 30 Jun 2007 16:33 GMT > They way things are going mate I'd bring a brolly and some wellies. And a wet-suit. ;-)
John.
kim - 30 Jun 2007 16:53 GMT >> They way things are going mate I'd bring a brolly and some wellies. > > And a wet-suit. ;-) I'll tell you an old-fashioned story That Grandfather used to relate, Of a joiner and building contractor; 'Is name, it were Sam Oglethwaite.
In a shop on the banks of the Irwell, Old Sam used to follow 'is trade, In a place you'll have 'eard of, called Bury; You know, where black puddings is made.
One day, Sam were filling a knot 'ole Wi' putty, when in thro' the door Came an old feller fair wreathed wi' whiskers; T'ould chap said 'Good morning, I'm Noah.'
Sam asked Noah what was 'is business, And t'ould chap went on to remark, That not liking the look of the weather, 'E were thinking of building an Ark.
'E'd gotten the wood for the bulwarks, And all t'other shipbuilding junk, And wanted some nice Bird's Eye Maple To panel the side of 'is bunk.
Now Maple were Sam's Monopoly; That means it were all 'is to cut, And nobody else 'adn't got none; So 'e asked Noah three ha'pence a foot.
'A ha'penny too much,' replied Noah 'A Penny a foot's more the mark; A penny a foot, and when t'rain comes, I'll give you a ride in me Ark.'
But neither would budge in the bargain; The whole daft thing were kind of a jam, So Sam put 'is tongue out at Noah, And Noah made Long Bacon* at Sam
In wrath and ill-feeling they parted, Not knowing when they'd meet again, And Sam had forgot all about it, 'Til one day it started to rain.
It rained and it rained for a fortni't, And flooded the 'ole countryside. It rained and it kept' on raining, 'Til the Irwell were fifty mile wide.
The 'ouses were soon under water, And folks to the roof 'ad to climb. They said 'twas the rottenest summer That Bury 'ad 'ad for some time.
The rain showed no sign of abating, And water rose hour by hour, 'Til the only dry land were at Blackpool, And that were on top of the Tower.
So Sam started swimming to Blackpool; It took 'im best part of a week. 'Is clothes were wet through when 'e got there, And 'is boots were beginning to leak.
'E stood to 'is watch-chain in water, On Tower top, just before dark, When who should come sailing towards 'im But old Noah, steering 'is Ark.
They stared at each other in silence, 'Til Ark were alongside, all but, Then Noah said: 'What price yer Maple?' Sam answered 'Three ha'pence a foot.'
Noah said 'Nay; I'll make thee an offer, The same as I did t'other day. A penny a foot and a free ride. Now, come on, lad, what does tha say?'
'Three ha'pence a foot,' came the answer. So Noah 'is sail 'ad to hoist, And sailed off again in a dudgeon, While Sam stood determined, but moist.
Noah cruised around, flying 'is pigeons, 'Til fortieth day of the wet, And on 'is way back, passing Blackpool, 'E saw old Sam standing there yet.
'Is chin just stuck out of the water; A comical figure 'e cut, Noah said: 'Now what's the price of yer Maple?' Sam answered: 'Three ha'pence a foot.'
Said Noah: 'Ye'd best take my offer; It's last time I'll be hereabout; And if water comes half an inch higher, I'll happen get Maple for nowt.'
'Three ha'pence a foot it'll cost yer, And as fer me,' Sam said, 'don't fret. The sky's took a turn since this morning; I think it'll brighten up yet.'
[Marriott Edgar]
Peter Abraham - 30 Jun 2007 17:04 GMT >>> They way things are going mate I'd bring a brolly and some wellies. >> [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > >[Marriott Edgar] Great stuff!
estarriol - 30 Jun 2007 18:53 GMT >>>> They way things are going mate I'd bring a brolly and some wellies. >>> >>> And a wet-suit. ;-) snip
>>[Marriott Edgar] > > Great stuff! orefer Albert and the Lion, but yep great stuff.
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