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Model Forum / General / Railroads / October 2003Which 0-6-0 ?
Salvé To the members of this august body....even if it is the end of October..... in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( especially slowly)0-6-0. steam loco, preferably prenationalisation?, company and area of operations are not important! RTR N and 00 ( pity there arent any H0, no need to mention the non existent 0 scale :( mind you any input on live steam would also be welcome :) radio controlled indoor live steam 16mm certainly make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now which wall to knock down.......... Beowulf >Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now which wall to knock down.......... >Beowulf I'd be interested in the N - My old farish stuff runs fine, the two more recent ones basically dont run at all, waiting to hear before I risk buying a Bachman example The Union Mills models in 'N' gauge are also good runners. All of their models seem to based around the same tender drive unit, That said you can get ex LNER j39, j38, j25 and j26 0-6-0's. Reasonably good control at low speeds, but more sensititive to the controller than farish. As an aside LIMA at one stage produced the LMS 4F 0-6-0 in N, HO and O gauges. Mike@notigg.not.no wrote in message ... >>Salvé >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >more recent ones basically dont run at all, waiting to hear before I >risk buying a Bachman example The message <bnfd04$2g1v$1@news.wplus.net> from "Clive Burdikin" <clive@publiconline.co.uk.NOSPAM> contains these words: > LIMA at one stage produced the LMS 4F 0-6-0 in N, ITYM "They produced an LMS 4F 0-6-0 which ran on N gauge track". It was seriously over-scale, especially when coupled to a LIMA Mk.1 coach which was rather under-scale. They also made a Deltic which also had problems with scale-inflation... They all went in part-ex for something more suitable: the 4F was replaced by the GEM (IIRC) 4F kit which looks absolutely right (to my eyes), the LIMA coaches were replaced by Grafar Mk.1s. The Deltic was swapped for cash - I don't need a diesel loco. I'm still using a couple of LIMA Siphons in the parcels train, so not everything was totally bad (although I think I changed the bogies).  SignatureDave, Frodsham > The Union Mills models in 'N' gauge are also good runners. All of their > models seem to based around the same tender drive unit, That said you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As an aside LIMA at one stage produced the LMS 4F 0-6-0 in N, HO and O > gauges. And the O-gauge one had all the obvious faults in the N and OO versions, scaled up. It had the same flat 3-pole motor that their OO stuff had. But the boiler - ugh. It wasn't even round but flared downwards - which was excusable in the smaller scales to fit around a mechanism. But in O-gauge where there was plenty of room for one? And the flared skirt stopped with a gap above the footplate. Shudder. > Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > certainly make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now which wall to knock > down.......... Beowulf I have a Bachmann 00 J72 (LNER). When it's been out of use for a while, when first put on the track it runs very slowly and emits smoke (from the cab, not the chimney). It must be getting oil on the commutator - I've tried disassembling it (not easy) and can't figure where it's coming from. Anyway, once whatever it is has burned off, it is a very smooth runner with good low speed control (5-pole motor). SignatureMartin S. Beowulf > in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( especially > slowly)0-6-0. steam loco, preferably prenationalisation?, company and area > of operations are not important! If you can wait a while, the new Hornby Q1 could fit your bill. If it has the same slow running characteristics as the Black 5 and 8F, then it should be a winner. -- Enzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. The Hornby terriers run very well and very slowly, > Beowulf > > in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( especially [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. All, I run Hornby 0-6-0 "Terrier" Tank engines - reliable slow-running. Formerly made by Dapol. Tony > Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now which wall to knock down.......... > Beowulf >Salvé > >To the members of this august body....even if it is the end of October..... >in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( especially >slowly)0-6-0. steam loco, preferably prenationalisation?, company and area >of operations are not important! RTR N and 00 ( pity there arent any H0, I can think of at least one RTR (but now obsolete) HO scale 0-6-0, and that's the Lima 4F. Its running qualities leave a lot to be desired however. SignatureSpyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. > Salvé > To the members of this august body....even if it is the end of > October..... in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > indoor live steam 16mm certainly make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now > which wall to knock down.......... Beowulf Bachmann OO Blue Riband GWR 2251 Class 0-6-0 and 8750 Class 0-6-0PT are both good runners in my experience. David >> Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >David Tomix (out of Japan) makes a very smooth-running 0-6-0T in N scale, and there are both small coaches and an assortment of freight wagons (open and closed) available for it to pull. If you are going to repaint anyway, you probably won't mind the bright blue color - or the Sodor Island RR livery... Might want to do something about the face on the front, tho.... <<grin>> SignatureJoe Ellis € The Synthetic Filker TesserAct Studios Please Note: ALL email from hotmail.com is deleted UNREAD | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | W W | W W W | |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| Filk € Fly Fishing € Model Railroading € Digital Photography http://home.mindspring.com/~filker/ > To the members of this august body....even if it is the end of October..... > in the opinion of the group , which is the best running ( especially > slowly)0-6-0. steam loco, preferably prenationalisation?, company and area > of operations are not important! RTR N and 00 ( pity there arent any H0, no > need to mention the non existent 0 scale But there is an r-t-r O-scale 0-6-0 - admittedly expensive and in brass, but Bachmann do a 7mm scale ex-MR 4F 0-6-0. John. The finest running, and detailed, plastic 0-6-0 in the World is the Life-Like Heritage 0-6-0. It runs so slowly, that if you don't shut the throtle (controller) completely "off", it'll creep ever so slowly along the track. Unfortunately for you UK modellers, the loco is a USRA 0-6-0 switcher built in the U.S. of A around 1919. http://www.lifelikeproducts.com/proto/usra060.htm Look and weep. -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway Hi Roger, You've overlooked Brawa's Württemberg Fc class 0-6-0! Regards, Greg.P. > The finest running, and detailed, plastic 0-6-0 in the World is the > Life-Like Heritage 0-6-0. It runs so slowly, that if you don't shut the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ > Home of the Great Eastern Railway "Gregory Procter" > Hi Roger, > You've overlooked Brawa's Württemberg Fc class 0-6-0! Didn't know about it. Any idea how it compares to Life-Like's 0-6-0? I have one of the Life-Like ones, engine number 25 on my photo album, so I know it runs like a Swiss watch. -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway > "Gregory Procter" >> Hi Roger, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I have one of the Life-Like ones, engine number 25 on my photo > album, so I know it runs like a Swiss watch. You mean it jerks forward and stops 60 times a minute? ;-) SignatureMartin S. > > "Gregory Procter" > >> Hi Roger, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You mean it jerks forward and stops 60 times a minute? ;-) Does that mean we need a second opinion? "Christopher A. Lee" < > > I have one of the Life-Like ones, engine number 25 on my photo > > album, so I know it runs like a Swiss watch. > > You mean it jerks forward and stops 60 times a minute? ;-) Does that mean we need a second opinion? Good timing. -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway > > > "Gregory Procter" > > >> Hi Roger, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Does that mean we need a second opinion? What's wrong with hour opinion? Gregory Procter > What's wrong with hour opinion? Oh dear! Isn't there enough of this in ratucs??? :-) -- Enzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Gregory Procter >> What's wrong with hour opinion? > > Oh dear! Isn't there enough of this in ratucs??? :-) Let's give Enzo a big hand! SignatureMartin S. > > Gregory Procter > >> What's wrong with hour opinion? > > > > Oh dear! Isn't there enough of this in ratucs??? :-) > > Let's give Enzo a big hand! Not while he's standing so close to the edge! =8^{ Greg.P. > > >> What's wrong with hour opinion? > > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Not while he's standing so close to the edge! =8^{ Of the escarpment? -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway Roger T > Of the escarpment? Look, you lot! Leave me alone or I'll tell Ophelia.....! And then where will we be? -- Enzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Roger T > > Of the escarpment? > > Look, you lot! Leave me alone or I'll tell Ophelia.....! And then where > will we be? When? Greg.P. "Enzo Matrix" > > Of the escarpment? > > Look, you lot! Leave me alone or I'll tell Ophelia.....! And then where > will we be? OK Enzo, time out. -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway "MartinS" < > > I have one of the Life-Like ones, engine number 25 on my photo > > album, so I know it runs like a Swiss watch. > > You mean it jerks forward and stops 60 times a minute? ;-) Good one Martin. :-) -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway > "Gregory Procter" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Any idea how it compares to Life-Like's 0-6-0? -As different in appearance as two 0-6-0s could look. -Superb operation. -Mix of diecastings and plastic. -From the same manufacturer as your Life-Like 0-6-0. (Brawa is also the German importer of Life-Like) http://www.Brawa.de/produktdetail.php3?kategorieid=21&artikelid=46&sprache=0 > I have one of the Life-Like ones, engine number 25 on my photo album, so I > know it runs like a Swiss watch. My two run like German watches! Regards, Greg.P. Roger T > Unfortunately for you UK modellers, the loco is a USRA 0-6-0 switcher built > in the U.S. of A around 1919. > Look and weep. So what? I can run one if I want to. If my LMS layout can run Bulleid pacifics, I see no reason why I can't have something from a little further afield.... :-) -- Enzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. > Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > make the idea of dcc pall.... :) now which wall to knock down.......... > Beowulf Ofcourse I might have mentioned UK outline...... personally I think US outline 0-6-0's are ugly, now I know I'm going to be accused of racism..... how come anyway that if its not UK outline its automatically US or European? what happened to Indian Outline or Australian?, Or for that matter the most attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is ...........) Swedish outline, however I was hoping for more than one 0-6-0 (Hornby's Terrier) this is a pretty sad indictment of the UK RTR market that only one loco can be put forward, and I have a J72 and no I'm not impressed, Fleischman had better running characteristics back in the 60´s :( Actually I could accept innaccuracy if it ran properly, hence my considering a GWR repaint of a certain german n scale model.........atleast it runs superbly and doesnt lurch, groan, scream, wobble or fall off the tracks as soon as someone whispers the P word (points). Beoewulf > > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > how come anyway that if its not UK outline its automatically US or European? > what happened to Indian Outline or Australian?, Lima did the horrible HO LMS F4 in Australian markings - add a cow catcher, a headlight etc and you have an Indian 0-6-0. ;-) > Or for that matter the most > attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tracks as soon as someone whispers the P word (points). > Beoewulf Can I have the valve gear?? ;-) Regards, Greg.P. >> Ofcourse I might have mentioned UK outline...... personally I think >> US outline 0-6-0's are ugly, now I know I'm going to be accused of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Lima did the horrible HO LMS F4 in Australian markings The link below shows the type of 0-6-0 that the Lima model was meant to represent. IMO they are an attractive little engine, as were almost all the engines built by Beyer, Peacock for the New South Wales railway. http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/rslee/1923.jpg > >> Ofcourse I might have mentioned UK outline...... personally I think > >> US outline 0-6-0's are ugly, now I know I'm going to be accused of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/rslee/1923.jpg Well, it's got all the bits: buffers, chimney, dome, cab, six wheels underneath and a tender behind and all in the right order - what more could you ask for? Regards, Greg.P. Salvé > > >> Ofcourse I might have mentioned UK outline...... personally I think > > >> US outline 0-6-0's are ugly, now I know I'm going to be accused of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. Isnt saying its got a tender behind sexist? Beowulf > Isnt saying its got a tender behind sexist? Hi Peter, Why is *behind* sexist? Have both sexes not got one? John. > > Isnt saying its got a tender behind sexist? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. Dear John, Always thought of steam engines as She...................mind you some of those behinds are rather cute.....especially victorian............. beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Isnt saying its got a tender behind sexist? You probably mean "sexual"? (try not to get off track!) Salvé > > > Salvé > > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Lima did the horrible HO LMS F4 in Australian markings - add a cow catcher, a > headlight etc and you have an Indian 0-6-0. ;-) Now there's an idea :) where4 can I buy sacrd plastic cows and cow pats? > > Or for that matter the most > > attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Can I have the valve gear?? ;-) No! I like heusinger valve gear it's pretty :))) Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Now there's an idea :) where4 can I buy sacrd plastic cows and cow pats? I'm sure there must be an Indian firm making plastic cows somewhere, or failing that try Preiser. I can post you some genuine cow pats! > > > Or for that matter the most > > > attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > No! I like heusinger valve gear it's pretty :))) OK, but in that case I'll send you two cow pats! ;-) Greg.P. Salvé > > Salvé > > Now there's an idea :) where4 can I buy sacrd plastic cows and cow pats? > > I'm sure there must be an Indian firm making plastic cows somewhere, or failing > that try Preiser. > I can post you some genuine cow pats! Actually and I kid you not, being as this is Sweden it is possible to buy bottled Älg (moose) droppings, specially bottled for german tourists, and no I dont know whwy they waqnt to spend £5 on a bottle of sh** but they do........ > > > > Or for that matter the most > > > > attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > OK, but in that case I'll send you two cow pats! ;-) I'll wait till an älg (moose) comes into the garden to eat the damn apples and leave calling "cards" and send you some of them :) Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I dont know whwy they waqnt to spend £5 on a bottle of sh** but they > do........ LOL. They also buy Maerklin at much higher prices! > > > > > Or for that matter the most > > > > > attractive after British in my opinion (Mighty and powerful as it is [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I'll wait till an älg (moose) comes into the garden to eat the damn apples > and leave calling "cards" and send you some of them :) I'm not sure that would get past our Customs department - well, they do let me import Maerklin. ;-) Greg.P. > Actually and I kid you not, being as this is Sweden it is possible > to buy bottled Älg (moose) droppings, specially bottled for german > tourists, and no I dont know whwy they waqnt to spend £5 on a bottle > of sh** but they do........ So that's what's in that stuff they sell at Ikea. ;-) SignatureMartin S. Salvé > > Actually and I kid you not, being as this is Sweden it is possible > > to buy bottled Älg (moose) droppings, specially bottled for german [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Martin S. Älg (moose)are probably the only animal that smell as delicious as they taste :) you just want to sink yer teef into its thigh....mind you as they weigh as much as a shire and are just as big as a shire horse this is probably not wise. but they are delicious :) they arealso used to produce th worlds most expensive cheese £200 per pound, not tasted that yet....the idea od trying to milk a moose...now that would make a wonderful model :))) Beowulf > Salvé > "MartinS" <me@my.place> skrev... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > pound, not tasted that yet....the idea od trying to milk a > moose...now that would make a wonderful model :))) Beowulf We have plenty of moose in Canada. If you hit one with a car, you tend to knock out their long legs, and that huge body often lands on top of the passenger compartment, doing extensive damage to car and occupants. SignatureMartin S. "MartinS" < > We have plenty of moose in Canada. If you hit one with a car, you tend > to knock out their long legs, and that huge body often lands on top of > the passenger compartment, doing extensive damage to car and occupants. Usually the occupants of the vehicle are killed, especially when the moose comes through the windshield/screen. When I lived in Prince Rupert, back in the mid 1980s, four young woman, 20 somethings, were less than a hour into their vacation when they hit a moose on highway 16. Killed all four of them. :-( -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway >> Älg (moose)are probably the only animal that smell as delicious as >> they taste :) you just want to sink yer teef into its thigh....mind [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >to knock out their long legs, and that huge body often lands on top of >the passenger compartment, doing extensive damage to car and occupants. ISTR hearing that there is a Swedish Y6 railbus, in a museum somewhere in the UK, with a very large moose-shaped dent in its roof. It was at the rear unit of a train which hit a moose, the front unit throwing it up into the air and it landed on right on top of the rear unit. Apparently the X2000 sets with their sloped fronts are also good at sending moose airborne, though being electric, it tends to cause problems with the OLE. SignatureSpyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. >ISTR hearing that there is a Swedish Y6 railbus, in a museum somewhere >in the UK, with a very large moose-shaped dent in its roof. It was at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >sending moose airborne, though being electric, it tends to cause >problems with the OLE. Along similar lines, I recall hearing about an incident in Alaska on the railroad... The engineer saw a bull moose walking away from them on the track ahead and sounded the horn, hoping the animal would run off the track. Unfortunately, it was the rut... and the moose took the blaring horn horn to be a rival's challenge. He turned, lowered his rather impressive rack, and _charged_ the train head-on! It killed the moose, of course... ...but also managed to derail the locomotive! > >> Älg (moose)are probably the only animal that smell as delicious as > >> they taste :) you just want to sink yer teef into its thigh....mind [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do > not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. Considering just how high a y6 is thats quite a feat :) or should I say feet? I have a narrow guage version of the y6 prk outside my flat during the summer, they're rather pretty :) and yes it is on rails..... Skara-Lundsbrunn Järnväg I live across from the Lundsbrunn Station so have éverything from an c1870 Fletcher jennings to ratehr more modrn dressineswobbling up and down the line, and Swedish narrow guage is BIG!!! Mind you X2000 are very nice too but quiet.... Beowulf > > Salvé > > "MartinS" <me@my.place> skrev... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > Martin S. This is true, but Volvo's and Saabs are actually built to take a moose landing on the roof :) seriously, its one of the selling points here in Sweden but totally unkown outside of Sweden :D An accident 2 yers back happened were a car startled a moose crossing a road causing the moose to jump vertically , the Volvo passed unharmed excpet for scrape marks from its hooves on the roof... the moose them landed on another volvo behind the first one causing a lot of damage to its roof and shocking the people inside, but who were otherwise ok due to the safety factors (anti-moose roof!!) built in , I will never drive anything other than a volvo now, they are really built for safety... Beowulf > > > Salvé > > > "MartinS" <me@my.place> skrev... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > are really built for safety... > Beowulf Not to worry, Ford will soon have that defect sorted! Salvé > > > > Salvé > > > > "MartinS" <me@my.place> skrev... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Not to worry, Ford will soon have that defect sorted! Not as long as they are built in Sweden...its law :) Beowulf > Älg (moose)are probably the only animal that smell as delicious as > they taste :) you just want to sink yer teef into its thigh....mind [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pound, not tasted that yet....the idea od trying to milk a > moose...now that would make a wonderful model :))) Beowulf I saw a "N" layout at a recent train show in the US that had a scene representing a forested recreation area. A car was supposed to have hit a black bear, and had swerved into the guard rail, leaving skid marks. The bear was lying in the middle of the road; police and forest rangers were in attandance, and traffic including a number of RVs was backed up. Other bears, maybe 1/4 inch high, played in a nearby car park. SignatureMartin S. "Beowulf" > Älg (moose)are probably the only animal that smell as delicious as they > taste :) you just want to sink yer teef into its thigh....mind you as they > weigh as much as a shire and are just as big as a shire horse this is > probably not wise. but they are delicious :) They are indeed. Yummy. :-) -- Cheers Roger T. http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/ Home of the Great Eastern Railway > > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > for more than one 0-6-0 (Hornby's Terrier) this is a pretty sad > indictment of the UK RTR market that only one loco can be put forward You appear to have overlooked my suggestion of the Bachmann Blue Riband 2251 and 8750 classes which are both excellent runners. David > > Ofcourse I might have mentioned UK outline...... however I was hoping > > for more than one 0-6-0 (Hornby's Terrier) this is a pretty sad > > indictment of the UK RTR market that only one loco can be put forward > > You appear to have overlooked my suggestion of the Bachmann Blue Riband > 2251 and 8750 classes which are both excellent runners. I've always liked the Dapol/Hornby J94 - is that second league these days? My Dapol one is noisy but effective. Of course the best advice is to wait for the Bachmann Jinty, which will surpass everything. (Free pie in the sky with every purchase.) In fact, they might as well modify the pannier mould to produce a few 97xx models in the meantime... It. Better. Had. Be. Worth. The. Wait. Mark. salvé > > > Salvé > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > David Sorry David, but still, considering the models available four suggestions is still not very good, considering the sheer volume of 0-6-0's that the UK had. :( Beowulf > salvé > Sorry David, but still, considering the models available four suggestions > is still not very good, considering the sheer volume of 0-6-0's that the UK > had. :( I'd certainly like to see more new and upgraded 0-6-0 and 0-6-0t models, although frankly I'd settle for cheaper tender-driven types with better mechanisms and pickups for re-issues (at least for the moment, given my budget). That said, I'd love a Midland 2F or a LNWR Cauliflower, a J67/J69 or J15, etc. I'm surprised there aren't more body kits these days, incidentally. Mark. |
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