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Detailed Lima 47 Vs Hejan 47

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Richard D - 29 Oct 2003 09:20 GMT
I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
tried) my lima locos.
What are anyone's thoughts on this, and what exaclty are the flaws of the
Heljan 47 I keep hearing about.
Thanks
Rich
Nick Gurney - 29 Oct 2003 10:28 GMT
>I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
>undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
>tried) my lima locos.
>What are anyone's thoughts on this

No contest, go with the Heljan 47.

Nick
http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
ViP - 29 Oct 2003 12:44 GMT
Dont replace all your limas with heljans, make the heljans extras, seems a
waste, how many limas you got??

> >I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
> >undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
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> Nick
> http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Richard D - 29 Oct 2003 13:23 GMT
6 all together, IC exec (x2), Provincial (47 475), LL Blue, Scotrail & BR
Blue.

Just wondered if they would look silly together, or if I got one Heljan, end
up thinking how better (or worse?!) they look and end up replacing all of
the limas.
I have never seen a Heljan up close (been away from the scene for a while
and just getting back into it all - my, don't times change!)

Of course, once I sort the 47 issue out, I will be turning my attentions to
my 4 lima class 37's -> Bachmann!!  :-)

> Dont replace all your limas with heljans, make the heljans extras, seems a
> waste, how many limas you got??
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> > Nick
> > http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Alan Rathbone - 29 Oct 2003 13:40 GMT
They don't look too great together actually...  The Bachmann 37 is
definately better than the Lima, although Bachmann only produce the
refurbished batch currently.

I've also been away from the scene for a while (came back a few years ago) I
stopped when privatisation was looming (subscription to Rail was
cancelled...)

Alan

> 6 all together, IC exec (x2), Provincial (47 475), LL Blue, Scotrail & BR
> Blue.
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> > > Nick
> > > http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Richard D - 29 Oct 2003 18:45 GMT
That's roughly when I stopped. (also around the same time as going
university!!)
But I am finding it more interesting modelling a *past era* than a present
one and find myself paying more attention to detail.
Anyway, lets hope Bachmann decide a 37/0 split headcode would be a good
idea!

> They don't look too great together actually...  The Bachmann 37 is
> definately better than the Lima, although Bachmann only produce the
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> > > > Nick
> > > > http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Gyle TMD - 29 Oct 2003 23:32 GMT
Yes, I seem to have a large collection of Blue era stock and I have a sudden
jump to present day freight!

I would love a split headcode 37 in blue large logo with Scottie dog :)

Alan

> That's roughly when I stopped. (also around the same time as going
> university!!)
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> > > > > Nick
> > > > > http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Alan Rathbone - 29 Oct 2003 13:26 GMT
I've still got a Lima example- I've been using it for practicing on.....

The only thing I can find wrong with the Heljan is that body width does'nt
look 100% right, and I don't like the detailing pack & bufferbeams.  Apart
from that the motor seems to be top quality.

Alan

> Dont replace all your limas with heljans, make the heljans extras, seems a
> waste, how many limas you got??
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> > Nick
> > http://www.dyserth-road.co.uk
Ian J. - 29 Oct 2003 14:28 GMT
> I've still got a Lima example- I've been using it for practicing on.....
>
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>
> Alan

Agreed about the body width. But I do feel the Heljan 47 is better in all
other respects (running particularly - it's not hard to be better than the
Lima pancake ringfield!) including detail.

Ian J.
PhilD - 29 Oct 2003 15:43 GMT
> I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
> undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
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> Thanks
> Rich

I suppose it all really depends on cost, fun and a whole host of other
things.  If I had to make the same choice, I would choose to keep the
Lima stock and detail it, because:

*  Lima (just about) runs well enough for my needs;
*  Doing the detailing stuff if the fun part of the hobby for me;
*  (Relating to previous statement) I don't get much satisfaction
buying a ready made, "perfect" model (I know, even Heljan have errors,
but I mean in comparison);
*  I cannot afford to get rid of a load of models and pay for a load
more, ostensibly the same, models.
*  There is also the satisfaction of saying, "I did that".

Of course, your values and priorities may be different.  However, with
a bit of care and *take*your*time*, you should be able to create a
reasonable product.  Don't try to hurry detailing though.  Trying to
get instant results, I find, gives instant poor results.

Best wishes.

PhilD

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Richard D - 29 Oct 2003 18:39 GMT
Thanks for all of the pointers guys. I have never detailed a loco before,
but like to prospect of doing so.
I think I will try detailing a lima and see what the outcome is.

> > I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
> > undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
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Colin - 29 Oct 2003 21:23 GMT
> I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
> undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
> tried) my lima locos.
> What are anyone's thoughts on this, and what exaclty are the flaws of the
> Heljan 47 I keep hearing about.
> Thanks

Forget the Lima and go for Heljan.....
After removing the Heljan loco' body !!!, the body and chassis can be
altered by removing plastic from the inside of the body at each end and the
four corner areas, after disconnecting the electrics, proceed to remove the
required amount of metal from the chassis sides, corners and ends.     If
you look at the chassis you will notice mould-lines/areas which can be filed
down to narrow the width.    This will help by avoiding the body being
forced out more than necessary....you can also warm the body slightly and
bend the sides inwards.    Smear a little suitable grease to the corner
areas of the chassis.
The body should now be easier to remove and refit.

Regards,

Colin.
ViP - 30 Oct 2003 03:01 GMT
Agree with PhilD, go for detailing your limas and get some heljans, then
they both will seem to look the same, I have 2 heljans and one lima, only
recently coming back to modeling. Im surprised at the cost of locos as I
bought 4 brand new class 56s from mainline when they were released, they
cost £23?? £26 each?? cant remember exactly, early 80s, now they go for £50
brand new and £30 to £45 on ebay!! what I do like is the idea of is dcc, but
its too expensive for me at the mo, not worth me spending that amount when
all I have is a large circle just to keep them loose.

> > I am looking to do one of two things, either replace my current fleet of
> > undetailed Lima 47's with Heljan 47's or super detail (which I have never
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>
> Colin.
Colin - 30 Oct 2003 21:22 GMT
> Agree with PhilD, go for detailing your limas and get some heljans, then
> they both will seem to look the same, I have 2 heljans and one lima, only
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> its too expensive for me at the mo, not worth me spending that amount when
> all I have is a large circle just to keep them loose.

At the end of the day, one man's meat is another man's poison...but Lima and
Heljan don't look quite right together somehow....
There is a big difference in cost....... and quality.

Colin.
Mike Parkes - 30 Oct 2003 19:58 GMT
>After removing the Heljan loco' body !!!, the body and chassis can be
>altered by removing plastic from the inside of the body at each end and the
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>down to narrow the width.    This will help by avoiding the body being
>forced out more than necessary.

I found it helped to trim down the width of the cab interior insert as
well. Remember the Heljan might be too wide but the Lamer is too
narrow.

Mike Parkes  
mike@mphgate.removetoreply demon.co.uk
Colin - 30 Oct 2003 21:17 GMT
> >After removing the Heljan loco' body !!!, the body and chassis can be
> >altered by removing plastic from the inside of the body at each end and the
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> well. Remember the Heljan might be too wide but the Lamer is too
> narrow.

Don't forget to trim down the cab-width...;-)
Colin.
 
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