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Model Forum / General / Railroads / February 2008Mad modifcations
Anyone done any? Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass strip and some spare gears > Anyone done any? > > Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass > strip and some spare gears The first Lima British outline diesel locomotives was a class 33 Bo-Bo and rather surprising was produced in HO scale. Needless to say this received little interest from British OO-scale modellers but there was a feature in one of the contemporary model railway magazines (sorry but the title eludes me) suggesting how this undersize effort could be 'cut & shut' into something approximating 4mm scale. Subsequently Lima abandoned HO-scale for British models, and the B&RCW diesel was subsequently re-tooled into OO. John. > > Anyone done any? > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > John. Trix did the same with the Western (the only way to get one then), sadly they just threw the towel in rather than re-tooling. A shame, since it was a lovely runner and the buffet car I had to go with it had metal wheels - a real novelty then, it even made the right noises going over track joints! Cheers Richard  Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb I once tried to butcher a triang DMU power bogie into a very approximate model of an old 4-wheeled ballast tamper unit called, I think, a "Matisa"? It didn't look right or work right so was scrapped. It was based loosely on the real thing that used to exist with the SRPS when they were based in Springfield Yard in Falkirk, a long time ago! (still in existance, but as the Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway) Badger. > I once tried to butcher a triang DMU power bogie into a very approximate > model of an old 4-wheeled ballast tamper unit called, I think, a "Matisa"? Matisa is the name of a "yellow machine" manufacturer: http://www.matisa.ch SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK > > I once tried to butcher a triang DMU power bogie into a very approximate > > model of an old 4-wheeled ballast tamper unit called, I think, a "Matisa"? > > Matisa is the name of a "yellow machine" manufacturer: http://www.matisa.ch Interesting, thanks. I remember on the real thing the "driver" sat at the rear next to an old BMC disiesel engine that powered it along, and the "operator" sat towards the front in the centre, in the middle of all the operating gubbins! The machine was probably around 15 to 18 feet long, had 2 driving wheels at one end of roughly 1 foot diameter and 2 tiny little wheels at the other end (that had a remarkable liking for jumping the track at the slightest provoking within springfield yard!) Dimensions are not accurate, I am relying on the memory of a 42-year old thinking back to when I was about 12! Badger. >> Anyone done any? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > me) suggesting how this undersize effort could be 'cut & shut' into > something approximating 4mm scale. Some years ago I converted a HO scale Class 33 which I picked up for GBP3 into a Class 153 DMU. Okay, not much more than the bogies were left, but still... (has anyone tired motorising a Revell Ludmilla kit with a cheap chassis likely to be available in the UK? That's next on my list) SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK >>> Anyone done any? >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > GBP3 into a Class 153 DMU. Okay, not much more than the bogies were > left, but still... A very long time ago I started converting a Lima N gauge class 86 into a class 31 ! I still have it somewhere and the one end I did looks quite good. I don't remember how I thought that I was going to get around the slight lack of two wheels on each bogie.. The power bogie from it was subsequently converted into the worst running 0-4-0 in history. Some years later I successfully converted a Lima N gauge French diesel into a class 33. Chris Packman Railway pictures website http://chrispackman.fotopic.net > In <13rrh176o25e...@corp.supernews.com> Arthur Figgis wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > slight lack of two wheels on each bogie.. The power bogie from it was > subsequently converted into the worst running 0-4-0 in history. The lack of any pickups on the power bogie would be a definite problem. Other than that, my example was a superb runner. the non- powered bogie was compensated which resulted in excellent pickup. MBQ > Anyone done any? > > Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass > strip and some spare gears A Lima Western converted to broad gauge and re-painted in GWR colours. SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway > > Anyone done any? > > > > Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass > > strip and some spare gears > > A Lima Western converted to broad gauge and re-painted in GWR colours. A certain Mr. Brunel had to convert and entire railway after getting the gauge wrong. Mind, I expect the original instructions were a bit vague. Cheers Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb > A certain Mr. Brunel had to convert and entire railway after getting > the gauge wrong. Mind, I expect the original instructions were a > bit vague. Not to mention many miles of slotted cast iron pipes with lots of rat attractive leather flaps and grease and oh, a few "vacuum" engines built along the line. Kevin Martin SignatureTo Reply, delete what is "Not Required" in abbreviated form >> Anyone done any? >> >> Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass >> strip and some spare gears > > A Lima Western converted to broad gauge and re-painted in GWR colours. Hmmm a broad gauge with late GWR/BR prototypes, that sounds like an interesting what if project. Bet the banana would be fun in that as well. estarriol said the following on 22/02/2008 10:54: > Hmmm a broad gauge with late GWR/BR prototypes, that sounds like an > interesting what if project. I remember a clip from some book or other where the author wrote "Imagine what a broad gauge HST would be like?" Hmmm.... SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > estarriol said the following on 22/02/2008 10:54: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hmmm.... Yep, I even went so far as to try and work out the most convenient scale for track if I don't want to handbuild it all at the start... (that and RTR chassis and motors would help greatly!) > estarriol said the following on 22/02/2008 10:54: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hmmm.... Fast. Very fast. >> Anyone done any? >> >> Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass >> strip and some spare gears > >A Lima Western converted to broad gauge and re-painted in GWR colours. I've seen a "what if" layout where nationalisation never happened that had standard gauge diseasel hydraulics, gronks etc painted and lettered for the GWR. Running alongside horrible looking steam "might have beens" like a County and a prairie tank with outside Walschaerts motion. It was all rather horrible. >>> Anyone done any? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It was all rather horrible. That is sort-of the worry. Christopher A. Lee said the following on 22/02/2008 13:10: > I've seen a "what if" layout where nationalisation never happened that > had standard gauge diseasel hydraulics, gronks etc painted and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It was all rather horrible. I'm not averse to a bit of what-iffery myself, but that does sound horrible! Mind you, ages ago I repainted a short HST set into GWR colours, basically replacing the blue with brown and the grey with cream. I can't remember which decals I used but it was something that I thought the GW may have evolved into - 1930s style "Great-crest-Western" would have looked totally wrong. I think where some people go wrong (as if there's a "right" in this!!) is that they apply a livery to a modern model in exactly the same way as it would have been applied 50 or 70 years earlier. Liveries evolve all the time so even if the GW still existed it would almost certainly not be with the same livery. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ Paul Boyd <usenet.is.worse@plusnet> wrote in news:13rtlmklhddiue9 @corp.supernews.com: ... > would have looked totally wrong. I think where some people go wrong (as > if there's a "right" in this!!) is that they apply a livery to a modern > model in exactly the same way as it would have been applied 50 or 70 > years earlier. Liveries evolve all the time so even if the GW still > existed it would almost certainly not be with the same livery. Yes, for example my Western has "The" Great Western Railway on the side in a bold Arial font with a crest under each cab. Actually I think it looks quite good ... except of course I have no broad gauge track :-( SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway > Paul Boyd <usenet.is.worse@plusnet> wrote in news:13rtlmklhddiue9 > @corp.supernews.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a bold Arial font with a crest under each cab. Actually I think it looks > quite good ... except of course I have no broad gauge track :-( Wot? No "flames" in ghastly purple???? ;-) >> Paul Boyd <usenet.is.worse@plusnet> wrote in news:13rtlmklhddiue9 >> @corp.supernews.com: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ;-) With Westerns I would be tempted to keep them in the Maroon etc that they really ran in. I always liked the look of the Engine with Chocolate and Cream coaches. >>> Anyone done any? >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It was all rather horrible. Outside valve gear is horrible????? On 22/02/2008 20:28, Wolf K. said, > Outside valve gear is horrible????? On a true GW loco it's sacrilege :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ >On 22/02/2008 20:28, Wolf K. said, > >> Outside valve gear is horrible????? > >On a true GW loco it's sacrilege :-) I always thought the De Glehn atlantics looked good with the Swindon boiler. But then the only true GW locos had outside frames and inside motion. I wish I'd been able to get to that gala on the Bluebell which had City of Truro and the Dukedog double heading. On 21/02/2008 15:25, Martin said, > Anyone done any? > > Mine is stretch a Lima 50 bogies to scale size with cast sides, brass strip > and some spare gears To mock up a BR Standard Class 11F from Dapol 'Evening Star' bits. This is a 2-8-8-0 loco with 12 wheel tender. No relationship whatsoever to the UP Big Boy :-) Incidentally, with the Lima 50 thing the easiest way would have been to use the Lima 37 bogies like wot I was just about to do when Hornby announced their version of the 50. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ >On 21/02/2008 15:25, Martin said, >> Anyone done any? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >is a 2-8-8-0 loco with 12 wheel tender. No relationship whatsoever to >the UP Big Boy :-) Got any pictures? >Incidentally, with the Lima 50 thing the easiest way would have been to >use the Lima 37 bogies like wot I was just about to do when Hornby >announced their version of the 50. SignatureJane British OO, American and Australian HO, and DCC in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html Jane Sullivan said the following on 22/02/2008 07:10: > Got any pictures? I'll reassemble the mock-up (and it really is a mock-up!) and get some photos up somewhere! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ On 22/02/2008 07:10, Jane Sullivan said, > Got any pictures? 'ere y'go! http://www.pbhome.myzen.co.uk/ebaypics/mockup.jpg Like I said, this is a mockup just to get an idea of what it might look like. The whole body needs to sit lower which is easily done because the cylinders are now horizontal. I just hadn't got around to reducing the frame depth and modifying for the firebox. The tender is actually a 10-wheeler, not 12 as I said before, and the front two axles will be on an outside framed bogie. I'm not happy with the tender still - I think one based on the high-sided tender will look a lot nicer. One day I do intend to do this one properly! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ >On 22/02/2008 07:10, Jane Sullivan said, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >One day I do intend to do this one properly! Looks interesting. Keep us posted, please. SignatureJane British OO, American and Australian HO, and DCC in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html >On 22/02/2008 07:10, Jane Sullivan said, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >an outside framed bogie. I'm not happy with the tender still - I think >one based on the high-sided tender will look a lot nicer. Looks fun. As such a beast would probably need mechanical firing it may be that oil firing would have been used. Gives you a couple more tender options, maybe a bogie oil tank wagon shortened and fitted with 6 wheel bogies. G.Harman On 22/02/2008 19:53, oldship@interalpha.couk said, > Looks fun. As such a beast would probably need mechanical firing it > may be that oil firing would have been used. Gives you a couple more > tender options, maybe a bogie oil tank wagon shortened and fitted with > 6 wheel bogies. I'll give that some thought. I've just a rifle through a couple of general books and found just the sort of thing you mean, attached to a Canadian National 4-6-4. Some of the UP locos had more conventional looking tenders on 6 wheel bogies as wel, which might suit this better. Lots of food for thought there! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > I'll give that some thought. I've just a rifle through a couple of > general books and found just the sort of thing you mean, attached to a > Canadian National 4-6-4. Some of the UP locos had more conventional > looking tenders on 6 wheel bogies as wel, which might suit this better. > > Lots of food for thought there! With a standard 9F firebox and presumably similar coal consumption, it's likely that a standard 9F tender might have carried enough coal & water for normal operations. John. On 23/02/2008 08:25, John Turner said, > With a standard 9F firebox and presumably similar coal consumption, it's > likely that a standard 9F tender might have carried enough coal & water for > normal operations. Don't spoil it by thinking practically :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > On 23/02/2008 08:25, John Turner said, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Don't spoil it by thinking practically :-) Hmmm is there a list anywhere on BR steam plans that never came to fruition with the Dieselisation programme? The message <fppe65$ht7$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> from "estarriol" <estarriol@estarriol.jeansNTshirt.co.uk> contains these words: > is there a list anywhere on BR steam plans that never came to fruition > with the Dieselisation programme? You need to have a look at "Locos That Never Were" which has many of the various pre-Grouping/pre-Nationalisation drawing offices' flights of fancy. Some rather interesting illustrations - including a GW Pacific (Cathedral class?), and a development of the LM Black 5 using the latest ideas used on the last of the Coronation class, turning a 4-6-0 into a 2-6-2... The book is probably out-of-print, but a local library should be able to find you a copy somewhere - Widnes has/had a copy. SignatureDave, Frodsham >The message <fppe65$ht7$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk> >from "estarriol" <estarriol@estarriol.jeansNTshirt.co.uk> contains these [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >The book is probably out-of-print, but a local library should be able to >find you a copy somewhere - Widnes has/had a copy. This is a good source because they are based on company drawings so they get the basic things right. The GWR Cathedral pacific was attributed to Mattingley and his team, in Hawksworth's drawing office, as an unofficial project that was squashed when he found out about it. There is a picture of one of the earlier proposals for the A4, with the same front end as the Cock o'the North, My favourite was a pretty little Hawksworth project for a lightweight 4-4-0 to replace the remaining Dukes, Bulldogs and Dukedogs. It would have been based on a Swindon version of the Ivatt class 2 boiler in the same way his Counties used a boiler based on the Stanier 8F. He gives it the same continuous splashier his Counties had, and outside Walschaerts motion. There are some really strange ones too - like Baldwin's proposal to the L&Y for a 2-10-0 4-cylinder Vauclain compound. A horrible arrangement where adjacent high and low pressure cylinders shared the same crosshead. And a Derby 0-4-4-0 tank engine that finished up as the Flatiron tank. A rigid duplex engine not articulated. It would have slipped horribly. There was a rather attractive large Bulleid 4-6-4 tank engine looking rather like his light pacifics. This was one of the stages on the project that finished up as his Leader class. The message <kkt0s31h2oujpduhql7pmar4n9cqrug1oc@4ax.com> from Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> contains these words: > There was a rather attractive large Bulleid 4-6-4 tank engine looking > rather like his light pacifics. This was one of the stages on the > project that finished up as his Leader class. Also the LMS streamlined version of the Leader, looking strangely Pendolino-ish but with steam coming from safety-valves on the roof, and the fireman leaning from the "cab" halfway along the loco. Pride of place has to go to the picture of 70000 - no not Britannia, but the LMS idea of the WCML electrification. 70000 is a Swiss-style 2-Do-2 and is shown leaving Lancaster southbound with the LNWR Royal Train. SignatureDave, Frodsham >> On 23/02/2008 08:25, John Turner said, >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Hmmm is there a list anywhere on BR steam plans that never came to > fruition with the Dieselisation programme? Aeroplane modellers have "Luft 46" models, things the hun might have built had WWII gone on a bit longer. Revell did a few kits. Maybe we need a "Steam 69" (oo-er) equivalent. SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK > Aeroplane modellers have "Luft 46" models, things the hun might have built > had WWII gone on a bit longer. Revell did a few kits. There's a comic book by a Japanese guy which features never-made (or prototype only) German aircraft as a back feature. Very interesting, and I've followed up the articles on some of those he mentions elsewhere and seen many in features on the Discovery Channel. Anyone fancy mocking up a 12 wheeler version of the Decapod? Not with wings though, obviously. ;-) SignatureBrian "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman." >> Aeroplane modellers have "Luft 46" models, things the hun might have built >> had WWII gone on a bit longer. Revell did a few kits. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Very interesting, and I've followed up the articles on some of those he > mentions elsewhere and seen many in features on the Discovery Channel. Somebody somewhere must have built a working model of the Breitspurbahn in HO34.3 scale... <reaches for calculator> Continental N scale with P4 track might be close (though perhaps defeats the point of being able to use RTR mechanisms and wheels?), or HO scale on O track. SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK > On 22/02/2008 07:10, Jane Sullivan said, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > One day I do intend to do this one properly! Very nice. Slightly longer boiler maybe? I agree, a high sided tender would look better, too. On 22/02/2008 20:40, Wolf K. said, > Very nice. Slightly longer boiler maybe? The front power bogie will actually be moved back a bit, which gives the same sort of boiler/power bogie as the UP Big Boy. That this model has taken no inspiration from at all, honest, guv. > I agree, a high sided tender would look better, too. Now that I've dug this out again, I need to tidy it up a bit. I quite like G.Harman's idea as well, although I'll have to see how it looks. Possibly not quite "British" enough! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ >>Incidentally, with the Lima 50 thing the easiest way would have been to >>use the Lima 37 bogies like wot I was just about to do when Hornby >>announced their version of the 50. I was unemployed at the time, anyway I needed a 37 so would not have canniblised one. I'll have to do pictures one day |
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