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Model Forum / General / Railroads / April 2008M & P Models Church Gresley near Swadlincote
Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. It's not what you could call a 'full time shop' as it's only open Saturday 1.30 till 4.00, Sunday 10.30 till noon and a couple of nights in the week ...... but what a great little shop. Nothing fancy, cardboard box's and fold flat crates etc. and the floor area can only be about 10' by 25' at the most, but what a good range of second hand kit they have on display ! The chap who served us was very friendly and the atmosphere was relaxed. Got our son a Duracell tanker, some drop sided wagons and some low macs would also have got him a Virgin diesel but he does not take cheques only cash. Chris PS Thanks Simon > Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on > Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > PS Thanks Simon I don't suppose he had anything in O, new or s/h? Cheers Richard  Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb > Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on > Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. Well I knew some people worship Nigel Gresley but I didn't realise there was an entire church named after him? (kim) > > Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on > > Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (kim) there's Castle Gresley too... remember going there as a lad to some exhibition or something where some adults were running a live steam "O"-Gauge Basset Lowke Royal Scot and wanting one ever since... that must be 36 years ago... David >> Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on >> Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (kim) Tis the parish of Church Gresly next to the one of Castle Gresley. Would have been quite prophetic as they were established by his (apparently) less than noble ancestors in 13th century. There is a pub in Swad called the Sir Nigel Gresley, but few people impressed by Swad. Sir Nigel's immediate family were established in Netherseale which is a few miles away from the ancestral seat. There, thats enough LNER. Cheers, Simon > Following a trip to Burton On Trent we went to find M & P Models on > Church Street, Church Gresley near Swadlincote. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > PS Thanks Simon Pleased you liked it. I visit at least once every 6 weeks as his stock can change dramatically in that time. Yep, Paul - the owner - is very friendly and helpful, hes also honest (but not stupid). Bought a nu-cast B1 from him the other week. Cheers, Simon Visited Signal Box in Anstey - Leicestershire. Been before and seemed be nice friendly shop, but today it was a different person behind the counter - perhaps the owner. Got the tot with me, at first chap was bit snappy. OK, that made my mind up not to buy a stanier tank. Then as we were waiting to be served he was rude, bordering on nasty to the tot. There went the 2nd hand select and the bits of metal and plasicard. We left and wont return. He didnt seem to mind about the lost sale. As we returned to the car, another customer called to us, went over. Had a chat, he wanted to tell us that after that he wasnt going there again. Did we know about the shop in Sileby. Anyone else had similar experience when accompanied by child ? Cheers, Simon > Visited Signal Box in Anstey - Leicestershire. Been before and seemed be > nice friendly shop, but today it was a different person behind the counter - [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Anyone else had similar experience when accompanied by child ? There was (note past tense) a model shop in York which appeared not to want any customers. Part of it was kept fenced off, and woe betide anyone who asked for access to have a look at something. And they really didn't seem to like young people - those under about 50 or so... Another shop (not railways) always seems very reluctant to part with their kits, and would never discuss them or what they had - I became convinced it was really a front for something :-) More positively, I had a bit of a surprise last week when a local chain model shop didn't have a new kit I want[1], but the chap serving suggested I go to a new-ish independent shop round the corner which I didn't even know existed! [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone or Dorking Models, who don't have it)? SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK For mail order I can recommend Moduni.de a company in Germany. They have a good site with English and other language versions and a wide range of models in all materials. A very 'on the ball' company with multi language email updates if requested. Good range of railway, military and architectural models. Hope this helps. peter brown uk > [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military model > kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone or Dorking > Models, who don't have it)? > > -- > Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK <snip> > [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military > model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone > or Dorking Models, who don't have it)? Try Hannants of Lowestoft, also have a retail shop around the Colindale area. Lots of planes, but also military http://www.hannants.co.uk/ SignatureCheers for now, John from Harrow, Middx remove spamnocars to reply > [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military > model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone > or Dorking Models, who don't have it)? What does "UM" stand for? (kim) >> [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military >> model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone >> or Dorking Models, who don't have it)? > >What does "UM" stand for? United Nations. >(kim) SignatureJane British OO, American and Australian HO, and DCC in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html > > [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military > > model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > (kim) - umm... - United Mations. - United Motions. - United Models. - Ultimate ... Nothing in '0' that day that I saw. They did have an old Hornby Doublo three rail still, just about, in it's original blue and white striped box. I have had a number of conversations with shop owners who 'complain' about waiting around all day for a customer. Yes time wasters are a pain but I always find more people will come in if the shop has at least one or two people looking around. Our son likes to look but knows not to touch, he will even 'tell off' other children for doing so. We have been lucky only to have had a couple of non child friendly store / stall owners. The point is if they upset our son they are upsetting their customer, it's his layout ! If you experience these type of people write to the shop and complain, if it's a stall at a show or exhibition write to the organisers. Still can't understand how the chap at M & P Models makes it pay ...... he may just be one of those who has found a way to fill in a few hours each week. Chris <snip> > Our son likes to look but knows not to touch, he will even 'tell > off' > other children for doing so. We have been lucky only to have had a > couple of non child friendly store / stall owners. The point is if > they upset our son they are upsetting their customer, it's his > layout ! Yeh, sure it is, don't all dads say that?.... :~)) > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yeh, sure it is, don't all dads say that?.... :~)) Certainly do, he bought his first trainset on his first birthday. Its only the second we've encountered, but the first to be nasty to him. As I said he lost a customer but dont think he was bothered about that. not going to do any complaining, just warned people in case they take a child there. Cheers, Simon >> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Yeh, sure it is, don't all dads say that?.... :~)) > Certainly do, he bought his first trainset on his first birthday. I can top that, well an old friend can, he bought his son a trainset about 2 months *before* his *birth* day!... > Its only the second we've encountered, but the first to be nasty to > him. As I said he lost a customer but dont think he was bothered > about that. not going to do any complaining, just warned people in > case they take a child there. Sounds like a real scrooge, but then again having been involved with both model and miniature railways I can understand why he might be like that if he has had bad experiences - I never snap at kids (especially young kids, even if they do seem to be old enough to know basic wrong from right one can never be sure if they don't suffer from any medical conditions [1]) but that is not to say that I have not made my feeling very clear to the parent(s), although never rudely. [1] learnt that from having to deal with a couple of kids who suffered from ADHD >>> <snip> >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > [1] learnt that from having to deal with a couple of kids who suffered > from ADHD At the time of his comment we were waiting to be served. We even let the person to one side push in cos I was happy to look at stuff behind the counter. His nibs was just being inquisative and asking the customer on the other side a few questions. I'm always careful that whoever hes talking to is 'safe' and happy to answer. Nearly always when tell his nibs to give them a rest they say no, no - its good that he asks all these questions. Cheers, Simon <snip> > At the time of his comment we were waiting to be served. We even let > the person to one side push in cos I was happy to look at stuff > behind the counter. His nibs was just being inquisative and asking > the customer on the other side a few questions. I don't think anyone was suggesting that you or your son was doing anything wrong, just that you might have suffered the back-lash from a less continuous parents lake of parenting skills IYSWIM - still no excuse for the shop owner to snap at a young child though - snap at the parent if you must but not the 'tots' because they might well not know better... On Simon's changed discussion subject "Thought we should encourage children into the hobby" the simple answer to that is YES ! but ....... I fear the days of the 'traditional' model railway shop are almost over. Most of the new model shops I have come across sell 99.9% new kit and the independent shops are predominantly owned / run but men in at least the late Summer or Autumn of their life. Many shop owners don't like the 'pick it up, look at it, put it down again' browsing shopper. Yes incorrect handling can damage stock, that's why I am pleased Hornby have introduced the 'Railroad' range of more robust models, but they should be able to judge the type of customer they have. Children, understandably, treat even a £600+ model as a toy but responsible parents can still take them into these shops. Years ago these shops used to have active displays of the models to keep children amused while Mum & Dad have a look ... something sadly missing these days. One exception I found was Toys 2 Go near Blackpool. they actively encourage children and whilst I and my sons Nan looked at the stock Mum and his nibs was given a demo of the shops small layout. One shop we probably will never visit again is Trainlines of Derby. Not child friendly at all despite the fact we were talking about buying a DCC system ! His lost sale ! Sounds as if Jerry is already "Autism Friendly". I am pleased to say that despite (or because of) our sons condition most people at the model shows / shops we visit really take to him and make him feel very welcome. Chris > Children, understandably, treat even a £600+ model as a toy but > responsible parents can still take them into these shops. And the difference between a GBP600+ model and a toy is....? :-) SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK >> Children, understandably, treat even a £600+ model as a toy but >> responsible parents can still take them into these shops. > >And the difference between a GBP600+ model and a toy is....? :-) GBP599+ ? SignatureJane British OO, American and Australian HO, and DCC in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html Jane Sullivan <spamtrap@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:pj5W $EwPFvBIFA0O@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk: >>> Children, understandably, treat even a £600+ model as a toy but >>> responsible parents can still take them into these shops. >> >>And the difference between a GBP600+ model and a toy is....? :-) >> > GBP599+ ? I was going to suggest "a divorce" SignatureAll the best, Chris Wilson email to cwilson at britwar dor co dot uk, reply address is spamtrapped. http://www.the-dormouse.org The Dormouse Line model railway On Simon's changed discussion subject "Thought we should encourage children into the hobby" the simple answer to that is YES ! but ....... I fear the days of the 'traditional' model railway shop are almost over. Most of the new model shops I have come across sell 99.9% new kit and the independent shops are predominantly owned / run but men in at least the late Summer or Autumn of their life. Many shop owners don't like the 'pick it up, look at it, put it down again' browsing shopper. Yes incorrect handling can damage stock, that's why I am pleased Hornby have introduced the 'Railroad' range of more robust models, but they should be able to judge the type of customer they have. Children, understandably, treat even a £600+ model as a toy but responsible parents can still take them into these shops. Years ago these shops used to have active displays of the models to keep children amused while Mum & Dad have a look ... something sadly missing these days. One exception I found was Toys 2 Go near Blackpool. they actively encourage children and whilst I and my sons Nan looked at the stock Mum and his nibs was given a demo of the shops small layout. One shop we probably will never visit again is Trainlines of Derby. Not child friendly at all despite the fact we were talking about buying a DCC system ! His lost sale ! Sounds as if Jerry is already "Autism Friendly". I am pleased to say that despite (or because of) our sons condition most people at the model shows / shops we visit really take to him and make him feel very welcome. Chris Been to Trainlines once. Just seems there are one or 2 people in shops that just dont have a sufficiently high enough social skill level to deal with the average shopper. They can be hard work and do make you wonder sometimes. However nowadays there are too many shoppers who think they should be treated as royalty. My mother worked in shops for over 60 years - the last 20 in her own flower shop. She could send a customer scurrying out with their tail between their legs in seconds. But they bought a large bunch of expensive flowers and always came back for more. Sort of Arkwright without the apparrent fawning. Weve met a few autistic children, they are special and parents deserve all the help they can get. His nibs appears to have a gift to make friends with them. Was on a train with an autistic teenager once who didnt like to be crowded, but by the time we got off he was helping his nibs down the steps. The father was amazed. Cheers, Simon > On Simon's changed discussion subject "Thought we should encourage > children into the hobby" the simple answer to that is YES ! [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > crowded, but by the time we got off he was helping his nibs down the steps. > The father was amazed. I can deal with the 'Arkwright's' of this world, I am also a Star Trek fan ( explains a lot I hear your cry ) so I just speak Klingon at them. Just a bit of advice about some parents of children with autism .... "Our children have autism but they are not autistic children !" Slight subtle difference but some parents can get very upset about it. To me it's an understandable mistake but ..... Chris On Apr 16, 11:41 pm, "simon" <si...@nospam.com> wrote: > "Dragon Heart" <chris_br...@tesco.net> wrote in message Just a bit of advice about some parents of children with autism .... "Our children have autism but they are not autistic children !" Slight subtle difference but some parents can get very upset about it. To me it's an understandable mistake but ..... Chris Thanks, as its important to them theres no reason not to use it now that I know. Are you going to Derby this weekend ? Cheers, Simon Simon asked :- " Are you going to Derby this weekend ?" Yes & No ! Yes we are off to Derby this weekend but not to the Assembly rooms ! We are off to see the 7 mm model railway at the industrial museum which also now has "The Midland Railway Study Centre". The railway is also running next Saturday 26th April between 10 am - 4.45 pm The Mickleover club organise the show at Derby and whilst we enjoy the smaller show at Mickleover the one at Derby is too crowded ( the wife and son got fed up of getting pushed & knocked about last year ). Several families visited the show then the museum whilst we were there and they said it was packed ! Did you go ? Chris > Simon asked :- > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Chris Yep, we went on Sunday. didnt seem packed esp after 2pm. mind you there were a few self important visitors ! Heard about the museum, would like to visit, but not on a saturday. Had enough trouble circling Derby on sunday - didnt stop to look at map till was way out then got foxed by the one way system. Cheers, Simon > > Simon asked :- > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Easy ... museum only about 150 yards from Assembly rooms. For you I guess you'd come via M1 J25 onto A52. At first roundabout you meet (The Pentagon) take second turn off to City Centre. Keep in left hand lane and take first turn off ( you'll see sign for Derby Evening Telegraph office ). Road swing around to right and you go into a dip, At bottom turn into Darwin Place car park. On foot go back down ramp, turn right, cross over road and turn left with Exeter Pub on your right. Cross over river bridge and you'll see Derby market place in front of you. Take crossing to right and follow road past the old police station with scaffolding and blue barriers towards man on horse. You'll see Silk Mill to your right. To get out of car park take left most exit which feeds you back onto A52. Chris > Its only the second we've encountered, but the first to be nasty to him. > As I said he lost a customer but dont think he was bothered about that. > not going to do any complaining, just warned people in case they take a > child there. I'm not defending that retailers action, but I'd like to put the other side of the argument. I've no problem with kids in my model shop providing they are properly supervised by their parents. Models are expensive and it's so easy for an unsupervised child to grab hold of something and break it in the process. I've never yet had a parent offer to pay for an item damaged in this way. You'd be amazed at how many parents are offended if their child is asked to desist from touching, or even if they are asked to control their child. Many seem to think that every environment is a playground for their kids. John. <snip> > You'd be amazed at how many parents are offended if their child is > asked to desist from touching, or even if they are asked to control > their child. Many seem to think that every environment is a > playground for their kids. <mode=rant> Yes indeed, most notably in supermarkets... What gets me is, you see whole families doing shopping, and it's quite obvious that the kids don't really want to be there, whilst it's quite legal to level the older teens 'Home Alone' (if the parents dare) the same is not true of younger kids - so why doesn't *one* parent go and do the weekly shop at Tesco or were ever and the other stay home with the kids, were the kids will be a lot happier, the parents will be less stressed and the rest of us will be less stressed! </rant> <snip> > whilst it's quite legal to level the older teens Oh my, "level". Was that a typo or a Freudian slip... I bet many parents sometimes feel like 'levelling' their teenage kids sometimes! >> Its only the second we've encountered, but the first to be nasty to him. >> As I said he lost a customer but dont think he was bothered about that. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John. Well he is an active child and i do my best. A couple of years ago, in one shop he did bend some minor toy. Not only did I insist on paying for it, I then disposed of it to give him a lesson on not grabbing things. we are still welcome at that shop. I agree with you and accept that there can be reasons for retailers to be wary. But I was available for any complaints or hints, there was no justification for having a go at a 7 year old. As I said one of the other customers came over to us afterwards to say he wasnt going there again. Cheers, Simon > I agree with you and accept that there can be reasons for retailers to be > wary. But I was available for any complaints or hints, there was no > justification for having a go at a 7 year old. As I said one of the other > customers came over to us afterwards to say he wasnt going there again. I wasn't having a go at you Simon. There are some families who come into my shop who are absolutely brilliant. Kids are polite, ask if they can look at things and so on. On the other hand there are some I'd be reluctant to let loose on the street of Bagdhad for fear of terrorising the terrorists. John. > > I agree with you and accept that there can be reasons for retailers to be > > wary. But I was available for any complaints or hints, there was no [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > John. Just as an observation, I've also noticed an inverse-square law between children and the shaprness of parental suit[1]. A lot of the really rough kids will yell and ball that they want a [insert model of choice], but don't touch - probably under pain of death ;-) - whereas the posher ones will grab and then demand. It's been very enlightening having a proper "shop" for the last 3 years after just having had a bare unit with no displays previousy, and completely opposite to expectations Cheers Richard [1] also applies to ordering parts and not turning up/changing mind, Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb > Just as an observation, I've also noticed an inverse-square law between > children and the shaprness of parental suit[1]. A lot of the really rough [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > proper "shop" for the last 3 years after just having had a bare unit > with no displays previousy, and completely opposite to expectations That's maybe a realistic generalisation, but there are good & bad in both camps, however the 'my kid can do no wrong' liberals (note small 'l') are by far the worse. John. >> Just as an observation, I've also noticed an inverse-square law between >> children and the shaprness of parental suit[1]. A lot of the really [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > John. There was an intersting article about the behaviour of middle class kids on the BBC website a few years ago, which I think was spot on! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4758717.stm Fred X <snip> > There was an intersting article about the behaviour of middle class > kids > on the BBC website a few years ago, which I think was spot on! ...and just how do middle class kids behave on the BBC web site a few years ago?! :~) > <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ...and just how do middle class kids behave on the BBC web site a few > years ago?! :~) "...how DID middle class..." you mean? People in glass houses... :) Fred X > <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > "...how DID middle class..." you mean? People in glass houses... :) Just answer the question... :~) >> I agree with you and accept that there can be reasons for retailers to be >> wary. But I was available for any complaints or hints, there was no [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > John. Sorry, didnt think either you or Jerry was at all - could see you were both talking generally and can also see that it might seem I misinterpreted. Cheers, Simon > Nothing in '0' that day that I saw. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Chris He has another job, this is just an extra. Must be doing something right, been open for 15 years. Probaby the simple formula, low overheads, no bank loan and straight dealing. Cheers, Simon > > > [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military > > > model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > - United Models. > - Ultimate ... Up Main? ;-) Cheerd Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb >> [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military >> model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone >> or Dorking Models, who don't have it)? > > What does "UM" stand for? The box from the model armoured railcar which I've just finished building doesn't say what it stands for, it only says UM as the manufacturer's name. But their e-mail address is Unimodels@..., which might be significant. SignatureArthur Figgis Surrey, UK >>> [1] Can anyone recommend a mail order supplier of UM 1:72 military >>> model kits, or a shop reachable from Croydon (which isn't Modelzone [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > manufacturer's name. But their e-mail address is Unimodels@..., which > might be significant. I thought it might be "Ultra Modern" but now you've explained it's a brand name you might like to try Antics Online. They're usually good at that sort of stuff: http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/673_1.html (kim) |
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