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Dragon Heart - 29 Apr 2008 01:41 GMT
In one of the model rail mag's  a reader was 'complaining' he was
unable to get a scale model fire engine for the steam loco era for
his  'OO' loco's.

I had a quick look around the web and found nothing.

I know Triang did one for their Mimic Motorway in the early 60's,
also a steam wagon, but these are now few & far between and the
plastic tended to warp I understand.

Visited a county show on Saturday and they and a large marquee
containing models of all types from boats, Lego (I never knew they
produced a monorail train set !), Meccano and on one table a
collection of fire engines,  but non suitable for 'OO'.

My next port of call was the toy stands,  one stall holder said he can
not get hold of any but claims he could sell hundreds throughout the
year.

One of the problems may be that up until 1941 there was no National
Fire Service as local fires were dealt with by the local police.  In
fact a number of police offices had to be transferred into the new
National Fire Service in the 40's as they were the only people with
experience of the equipment.

My collection of 'Matchbox' vehicles included some old fire engines
and a 'Green Goddess'.

Chris
Jeff - 29 Apr 2008 08:41 GMT
> One of the problems may be that up until 1941 there was no National
> Fire Service as local fires were dealt with by the local police.  In
> fact a number of police offices had to be transferred into the new
> National Fire Service in the 40's as they were the only people with
> experience of the equipment.

That is not quite correct, prior to WW2 the fire brigades were provided by
the local authorities . Before 1938 there were between 1400 and 1500 small
municipal fire brigades run by local councils in the UK.  Just prior to WW2
the Auxiliary Fire Service was formed. This was a National organisation of
volunteers to back up the normal fire service. It became apparent during the
war that some local fire provision was inadequate, consequently the thousand
or so local brigades were combined into the National Fire Service. The NFS
was disbanded after the war (1948), and once again fire provision was in
local hands, but this time mainly based at county or borough level, so the
were far fewer brigades than before the war (148) , but each still went its
own way. There are at present 63 brigades in the UK.

Regards Jeff
Jeff - 29 Apr 2008 08:53 GMT
>> One of the problems may be that up until 1941 there was no National
>> Fire Service as local fires were dealt with by the local police.  In
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>
> Regards Jeff

I forgot to add that the existing appliances were not disposed of when the
NFS was formed, additional vehicles were added, but some of those amounted
to no more than a van with ladders on the roof, although there were mobile
pumps as well.

Jeff
kim - 29 Apr 2008 18:23 GMT
>> One of the problems may be that up until 1941 there was no National
>> Fire Service as local fires were dealt with by the local police.  In
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> 1400 and 1500 small municipal fire brigades run by local councils in
> the UK.

They were mainly part-time volunteers before the war. The City of Coventry
didn't get its own professional brigade until 1935 and I believe that was
one of the first in the country? Before that, the Daimler Motor Company had
its own full-time professional firemen and they routinely beat the local
authority firemen to the scene of a fire. It was the threat of German
bombing which prompted the creation of the unified 999 emergency phone
service (also the national blood transfusion service).

Kim
Arthur Figgis - 29 Apr 2008 20:52 GMT
> In one of the model rail mag's  a reader was 'complaining' he was
> unable to get a scale model fire engine for the steam loco era for
> his  'OO' loco's.
>
> I had a quick look around the web and found nothing.

Kiel Kraft did a Dennis fire engine in 1:72 scale.

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Arthur Figgis               Surrey, UK

Just zis Guy, you know? - 30 Apr 2008 22:33 GMT
>In one of the model rail mag's  a reader was 'complaining' he was
>unable to get a scale model fire engine for the steam loco era for
>his  'OO' loco's.
>
>I had a quick look around the web and found nothing.

The Airfix airfield fire and refuelling kits are still available,
using the base vehicles from one or both of those and a modicum of
the BRITONS' ingenuity I would think you could come up with
something passable.  The Austin ambulance would probably be a good
start.  There also used to be a Bedford dropside of approximately
the right vintage which would be amenable to adaptation, but I can't
remember for the life of me who made it.

Also: http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/PST72052.jpg

Guy
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