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Model Forum / General / Railroads / August 2008"Cattle shown to align north-south "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm " Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their bodies in a north-south direction. Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years. " (kim) > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of > years. " Oh right, it's on Google (and the BBC) so it's got to be correct then.... I would suggest that most animals stand (or nest) according to the prevailing winds and weather rather than out of a desire to point either north or south!  SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Jerry said the following on 26/08/2008 12:53: > Oh right, it's on Google (and the BBC) so it's got to be correct > then.... No, no, no. It can't be true until it's on Wikipedia :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > Jerry said the following on 26/08/2008 12:53: > >> Oh right, it's on Google (and the BBC) so it's got to be correct >> then.... > > No, no, no. It can't be true until it's on Wikipedia :-) ...which claims that the animals have been influenced by the teachings of David Icke and sound of their farts were use by Ronnie Hazlehurst as the bases of a well know TV signature tune... :~( SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) It's an interesting idea, but there's a lot of other "causes" that may play a part - do fields tend to have gates in the north/south ends, do farms tend to be to the north/south of their fields (cows wait patiently, often looking for the farmer to come out at milking time and/or feeding), does a cow prefer to lie with it's side to the prevailing weather, and probably a lot of other things - I think making the magnetic connection might be jumping to conclusions a bit! Cheers Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers > Richard Its true - honest. Tis a relic behaviour pattern from when cattle used to migrate. They use the earths magnetic field just the same as homing pigeons. It also explains the cows normal confused expression - they ponder 'why am I looking over that way all the time, all I can see is Maudes* bottom and its looking a bit grimy?'. How do they know that hunters thousands of years ago didnt know about cattle orientation - as far as am aware theyre hasnt been much of a need to hunt cattle of late ? Has anyone checked out bison or buffulo ? *insert favorite name here Cheers, Simon > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) So herdsmen and hunters haven't noticed that cattle line up? Well of course they haven't noticed it - it doesn't happen. Just go for a drive in the country and watch cattle for a few hours. Signaturewolf k. >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > course they haven't noticed it - it doesn't happen. Just go for a > drive in the country and watch cattle for a few hours. Supposedly people sleep better if they're aligned north-south. Maybe cows are more contented that way, too. It must be all the iron in the bloodstream. SignatureMartin S. >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It must be all the iron in the bloodstream. The iron atoms in the blood stream aren't close enough to each other to create a magnetic field, nor to be influenced by one. Haemoglobin has a enough other atoms surrounding the Fe that the magnetic moment of the earth's field has mo effect. OTOH, some birds (and butterflies IIRC) navigate by the Earth's magnetic field. These critters have minute crystals of Fe3O4 in some of their neurons. Fe3O4 is magnetic, and when the crystals will try to line up with the earth's field, the resulting strains within the neurons presumably cause them to fire. HTH Signaturewolf k. >>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > HTH So is there any truth in the story that one should sleep north-south? SignatureMartin S. > Wolf Kirchmeir <wolfkir@sympatico.ca> wrote: >>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > So is there any truth in the story that one should sleep north-south? What I had heard was that the cause is ion in the brain, and that men are in general more affected than women, and that arty types are less affected than maths/science types. What matters is supposedly not which direction you are aligned on, but that the direction is the same each night. I don't know how true this is, though. MartinS said the following on 27/08/2008 03:10: > So is there any truth in the story that one should sleep north-south? I sleep in a north-south line, and get disorientated if I'm staying somewhere else where I sleep in a different direction! I've always assumed people know which way they're facing in the same way as animals and birds do. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ <snip> > I sleep in a north-south line, and get disorientated if I'm staying > somewhere else where I sleep in a different direction! I've always > assumed people know which way they're facing in the same way as > animals and birds do. But that is just habit, and the result of breaking it. SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Jerry said the following on 27/08/2008 07:57: > But that is just habit, and the result of breaking it. Yes I'm sure it is habit, but how is it that we know (at least, I do), that we're sleeping in the "wrong" direction according to normal habit? Certainly at home I have no visual clues as I have black-out curtains in the bedroom. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > MartinS said the following on 27/08/2008 03:10: > >> So is there any truth in the story that one should sleep north-south? > > I sleep in a north-south line, and get disorientated if I'm staying > somewhere else where I sleep in a different direction! One of the weirdest experiences I've had - just a few years ago - was a dream in which I was still sleeping in an army barracks in Germany, then woke up to find I was in bed in England in a completely different bedroom facing a completely different direction. It took my brain a few minutes to adjust to the reality (and the disappointment). Kim > > MartinS said the following on 27/08/2008 03:10: > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Kim The worst is when you slowly wake up and feel the lottery millions fade from your hands....... :-( Cheers Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb <snip>> > The worst is when you slowly wake up and feel the lottery millions > fade from your hands....... :-( I can think of a lot worse, at least with the above you're no worse off than when you went to bed! SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... ROLL UP, ROLL UP. Sale of the Century - one bridge available to any number of buyers ..... > ROLL UP, ROLL UP. Sale of the Century - one bridge available to any > number of buyers ..... Not sure if that was a reply to my previous remark but I was thinking along the lines of either a 'Shot-gun wedding' or reams of forms arriving from the CSA! :~o SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... > MartinS said the following: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > assumed people know which way they're facing in the same way as animals > and birds do. My house is aligned at 45 degrees, so I sleep northwest-southeast. SignatureMartin S. [...] >>> It must be all the iron in the bloodstream. >> The iron atoms in the blood stream aren't close enough to each other [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > So is there any truth in the story that one should sleep north-south? Only to avoid drafts. Signaturewolf k. > [...] > >>> It must be all the iron in the bloodstream. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Only to avoid drafts. The cows in the field at the back of us face pretty much west, and those at the front east. Most mornings we open the curtains to see then staring into the house, happily chewing the cud and pondering life's great mysteries like they do. The ones at the back (milkers) completely ignore everything, including Alandi Rover (Jack Russel) wandering around under them. I can't help but try to hide the joint from them on Sundays though..... Cheers Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk I have become... comfortably numb >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >> " Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > course they haven't noticed it - it doesn't happen. Just go for a drive > in the country and watch cattle for a few hours. Of course cattle line up! If a cat (or whatever) wanders up to a fence the cattle (particularly steers) line up and crowd to look. If there's a gale the cattle move with it (to the fence or other obsticle) and stand with their rear ends to the wind. In neutral conditions they wander from place to place as a herd (with about 50% stragglers) and munch away facing any direction, but based on the way and direction that they have been wandering. Greg.P. Northland, New Zealand, dairying country. >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm >>> " Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Northland, New Zealand, > dairying country. Greg, as usual your habit of narrow literalist reading has made you posit a disagreement or mistake or whatever where there is none. The context of my comment was "cattle tend to align their bodies in a north-south direction", and that's what I denied, having grown up in the country, and having observed lots of cows, which line up in all sorts of ways, sometimes even north-south. SignatureWolf Kirchmeir > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) Do these "experts" say anything about heads north or heads south or are they equally split? Absolutely vital information. If I am to go hunting cows I would rather shoot an arrow up its bottom than face its horns. George George On Aug 26, 12:41?pm, "kim" <ntscu...@aol.com> wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) >Do these "experts" say anything about heads north or heads south or >are they equally split? Absolutely vital information. If I am to go >hunting cows I would rather shoot an arrow up its bottom than face its >horns. >George Think you should also consider the relative position and orientation of the farmer. Otherwise you might get more than an arrow up your bottom ! Cheers, Simon > " Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their > bodies in a north-south direction. > Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has apparently > gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years. " Strange - I once had my bed aligned in a north-south direction, or it could have been south-north depending upon how much alcohol I'd consumed. I guess a significant proportion of the world's population could claim the same orientation, and rumour has it that Google Earth will insist on everyone removing their house roofs so that they can check out this new claim. John. |
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