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Dragon Heart - 08 Oct 2008 01:33 GMT
They must have a bit more sun in Florida than we do here :-)

http://www.hightechscience.org/solar_express.htm

" The layout was designed so even if there is no sun over a long
period of time, there would still be plenty of reserve power stored in
the batteries to operate the train system for several weeks.  "  OK
for our Summer then ?

Chris
Jane Sullivan - 08 Oct 2008 12:02 GMT
In message
<c3315fb0-f7ed-45f2-8799-813e04584fc1@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Dragon Heart <chris.brett58@o2.co.uk> writes
>They must have a bit more sun in Florida than we do here :-)
>
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>
>Chris

Why do they need an inverter? Don't the models run on 12 volts DC?

My DCC system will run on pure DC.
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Graham Harrison - 08 Oct 2008 15:16 GMT
> In message
> <c3315fb0-f7ed-45f2-8799-813e04584fc1@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> My DCC system will run on pure DC.

*If* it's DCC it needs 16(?)v AC doesn't it?

I'm guessing that there is no commercially available controller than can
accept 12vDC from the battery even though the output (for a DC layout) would
be 12vDC as well.   Mind you, I'm assuming HO - those pictures look more O
like.   The inverter is changing 12vDC to 110vAC which is the US standard so
they can use a standard controller at a guess.
manatbandq@hotmail.com - 08 Oct 2008 15:29 GMT
On Oct 8, 3:16 pm, "Graham Harrison"
<edward.harris...@remove.btinternet.com> wrote:

> > In message
> > <c3315fb0-f7ed-45f2-8799-813e04584...@s20g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> *If* it's DCC it needs 16(?)v AC doesn't it?

No. Some system may be able to run from low voltage AC from a
transformer but they will all run from an equivalent[1] DC source.

MBQ

[1] Taking account of RMS/peak voltage and allowing for the drop in
the rectifier diodes.
google@sheerstock.fsnet.co.uk - 08 Oct 2008 19:24 GMT
On Oct 8, 3:29 pm, "manatba...@hotmail.com" <manatba...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 8, 3:16 pm, "Graham Harrison"
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> [1] Taking account of RMS/peak voltage and allowing for the drop in
> the rectifier diodes.

Should have also added that if running a system, designed to take AC,
from DC you may need to derate the booster ratings. All of the input
current will be flowing through only half of the rectifier, instead of
using both halves on opposite half cycles, so the power dissipation
will be doubled in two of the diodes. They may be spec'ed by the
maufacturer to allow for this, or not.

MBQ
Mike Hughes - 08 Oct 2008 16:03 GMT
>*If* it's DCC it needs 16(?)v AC doesn't it?
>
>I'm guessing that there is no commercially available controller than
>can accept 12vDC from the battery even though the output (for a DC
>layout) would be 12vDC as well.   Mind you, I'm assuming HO - those
>pictures look more O like.

The blurb on the original says that it is G scale so it probably needs
something greater than 12v to operate.

>The inverter is changing 12vDC to 110vAC which is the US standard so
>they can use a standard controller at a guess.

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Jerry - 08 Oct 2008 14:51 GMT
<snip>

Thanks for that subject line (never mind the content!), it instantly
made me think of Morecambe and wise, and then start humming their sig
tune - a bit of sunshine in the gloom of the last couple of weeks...
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Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

kim - 08 Oct 2008 15:23 GMT
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for that subject line (never mind the content!), it instantly
> made me think of Morecambe and wise, and then start humming their sig
> tune - a bit of sunshine in the gloom of the last couple of weeks...

"Gloom"?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSzTcBjNaw

(kim)
MartinS - 08 Oct 2008 20:59 GMT
>> "Dragon Heart" <chris.brett58@o2.co.uk> wrote...
>> <snip>
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> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSzTcBjNaw

Angela Rippon had lovely legs!!

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Jerry - 08 Oct 2008 21:33 GMT
>> <snip>
>>
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>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0tSzTcBjNaw

Strange, so much for Thatcherism, that routine is as relevant today as
when it was first made!
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Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

Dragon Heart - 08 Oct 2008 22:57 GMT
> >> <snip>
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken with
the statue of the great man.

I remember when the Queen unveiled the statue the July 1999 and the
smile that came to her face when the sheet fell away.  Everyone who I
looked at had the same smile.

Can't believe it was 1984 when he passed away.

I understand there is a nice model shop 'The Train Shop Ltd' only a
stones throw away from the statue ?

Chris
MartinS - 09 Oct 2008 04:20 GMT
> We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken with
> the statue of the great man.
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> I understand there is a nice model shop 'The Train Shop Ltd' only a
> stones throw away from the statue ?

Maybe the only two worthwhile things in Morecambe.

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kim - 09 Oct 2008 13:33 GMT
>> We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken with
>> the statue of the great man.
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>
> Maybe the only two worthwhile things in Morecambe.

Is the Morecombe, Heysham and Lancaster line no longer in operation?

(kim)
BH Williams - 09 Oct 2008 14:16 GMT
>>> We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken with
>>> the statue of the great man.
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>
> (kim)

The electrified line went years ago (mid-1960s?), having served as a test
bed for 25kV electrification in the UK. There is a non-electrified branch to
Morecambe, diverging at Hest Bank, with a trailing connection at Morecambe
leading to Heysham. Is there still a passenger service to the latter?
Brian
kim - 10 Oct 2008 01:07 GMT
>>>> We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken
>>>> with the statue of the great man.
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> The electrified line went years ago (mid-1960s?), having served as a
> test bed for 25kV electrification in the UK.

Ah, *proper* AC with mercury arc rectifier, none yer "solid state" rubbish.
I'm silly enough to want to make a model of it, complete with blue LED to
represent the erie glow from the mercury arc.

(kim)
kim - 23 May 2009 23:46 GMT
>> We visited Morecambe last year and his nibs had his photo taken with
>> the statue of the great man.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Maybe the only two worthwhile things in Morecambe.

Here's another, the No 40 bus::

http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/Large%20Images/Creative%20Master/UKBUS1042_N_Fi
nal_Large.JPG


(kim)
google@sheerstock.fsnet.co.uk - 08 Oct 2008 19:27 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Wikipedia: the Internet equivalent of
> Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'...

Remember what Eric said when inspecting a modular layout

"You can't see the join".

MBQ
 
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