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Model Forum / General / Railroads / November 2008DIY decals/transfers
Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of Crafty Computer paper and various other people selling decal paper on Ebay. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I would like to make sheets of black lettering and cream lettering for a fictitious freelance layout. > Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various > special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of > Crafty Computer paper and various other people selling decal paper on > Ebay. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I would like to make sheets > of black lettering and cream lettering for a fictitious freelance > layout. How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink dots that give the eye a brain the feeling of a lighter colour. It does not mix ink together it prints just 3 colours.  SignatureTrev Nobody is perfect. But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. >> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various >> special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that give the eye a brain the feeling of a lighter colour. It does not mix > ink together it prints just 3 colours. You use white inkjet decal paper, such as the following from Walthers catalog, by Evans Designs: 266-P7 Hobby-Cal 8-1/2"x11" decal paper (white) package (5) $15.00. If it's available in N. America, it's surely available in the UK/Europe. HTH SignatureWolf Kirchmeir >> <gerhaw@yahgeenspamhoo.co.uk> Gerald H bashed on keyboard and typed: >>> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If it's available in N. America, it's surely available in the > UK/Europe. I'd say Crafty Computer Paper is his best bet in the UK. I've tried several North American brands and I prefer theirs. SignatureMartin S. >How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink dots >that give the eye a brain the feeling of a lighter colour. It does not mix >ink together it prints just 3 colours. <pedant>Usually four, cyan, magenta, yellow and black - aka CMYK or (in commercial printing) four-colour process.</pedant> Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken > "Trev" <trevbowdenAT.dsl.pipex.COM> said: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > <pedant>Usually four, cyan, magenta, yellow and black - aka CMYK or > (in commercial printing) four-colour process.</pedant> But it still can't print white. For that you need an ALPS/Okidata, which aren't made anymore. Supplies are hard to come by too. Or do your own artwork and get a professional printer to make the decals ($$). Try browsing through posts in Yahoo! Group 'rr-decal' SignatureMartin S. >But it still can't print white. For that you need an ALPS/Okidata, which >aren't made anymore. Supplies are hard to come by too. Or do your own >artwork and get a professional printer to make the decals ($$). Or print on white. Or use a Tektronix Phaser with white wax :-) Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken > MartinS <me@my.place> said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Or print on white. Or use a Tektronix Phaser with white wax :-) Exactly. You need something that prints opaque white and other light colours. SignatureMartin S. >> But it still can't print white. For that you need an ALPS/Okidata, >> which aren't made anymore. Supplies are hard to come by too. Or do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Guy If you print on white then the O's and B's will be filled in SignatureTrev Nobody is perfect. But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. >>How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >>It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Guy Erm, shouldnt pedant take into account that black isnt a colour ? Cheers, Simon >>> How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >>> It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers, > Simon <more pedant> In printing, black is a colour. So is white. </more pedant> SignatureWolf Kirchmeir >>>> How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >>>> It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > In printing, black is a colour. So is white. > </more pedant> Erm, shouldn't pedant say 'In printing, black is considered to be colour...' ? :-) Cheers, Simon >>>>> How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >>>>> It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the ink [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Pedant says that what's considered to be so is so. That's a philosophical principle that pedant espouses it for debating purposes. So that's all right. ;-) SignatureWolf Kirchmeir >>>>>> How are you going to make cream on clear film on a ink jet. >>>>>> It relies on the paper being white. It's the white space around the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > So that's all right. ;-) No it isnt ...... But will pretend it is. :-) CHeers, Simon >> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various >> special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ink dots that give the eye a brain the feeling of a lighter colour. > It does not mix ink together it prints just 3 colours. As others have said, you can print on white decal paper. Or print on clear film, and paint the model white underneath. Either approach has its uses and gives different results. - Nigel SignatureNigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ >> <gerhaw@yahgeenspamhoo.co.uk> Gerald H bashed on keyboard and typed: >>> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Either approach has its uses and gives different results. Neither solves the problem of creating light-coloured letters on a dark background. The only way with a conventional inkjet or laser printer is to print a dark background to match the model where it is to be applied. Letraset still makes dry transfer lettering - it might be worthwhile to check if they have anything suitable. The Crafty folks suggested a method some time ago, involving printing in yellow ink on clear decal, then applying a fine white (or gold) powder that they sold, that would stick to the still-wet ink. It's not on their website anymore AFAIK, so I guess it wasn't too successful. SignatureMartin S. > Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various > special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of > Crafty Computer paper and various other people selling decal paper on > Ebay. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I would like to make sheets of > black lettering and cream lettering for a fictitious freelance layout. Crafty Computer Paper is good. You can get clear or white waterslide paper for inkjet or laser; they also do a dry rub-on for inkjet but I haven't tried it. A laser printer gives much crisper blacks than an inkjet; some black ink tends to run. There's lots of other hobby and craft printable media on their website: http://www.craftycomputerpaper.com The only way to make light-coloured lettering for a dark background is to print on white paper with a background to match what you are going to put it on. Matching background colours is a trial-and-error process. SignatureMartin S. >> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various >> special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > print on white paper with a background to match what you are going to put > it on. Matching background colours is a trial-and-error process. Do you have a working URL for Crafty as the one you posted above goes straight to Webfusion who is presumably their web hosting co. SignatureKeith W Sunbury on Thames (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living) <snip> > Do you have a working URL for Crafty as the one you posted above > goes straight to Webfusion who is presumably their web hosting co. A quick Google brings up http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk... >>> Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various >>> special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Do you have a working URL for Crafty as the one you posted above goes > straight to Webfusion who is presumably their web hosting co. Google brought up: http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk/ SignatureWolf Kirchmeir > Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various > special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of > Crafty Computer paper and various other people selling decal paper on > Ebay. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I would like to make sheets of > black lettering and cream lettering for a fictitious freelance layout. Check out the Alps decal Yahoo groups. The printers (which do print white) are still somewhat available from a fellow in Australia, but I suspect a few more years and both printers and supplies will be very hard to find. There's also an expensive printer from Kodak that does white. Gerald H said the following on 10/11/2008 21:34: > Has anyone tried making their own decals/transfers using the various > special papers that you can put though your printer? I've heard of > Crafty Computer paper and various other people selling decal paper on > Ebay. Can anyone recommend a supplier? I would like to make sheets of > black lettering and cream lettering for a fictitious freelance layout. I've personally not got on with Crafty Computer paper, plus the problem of still not being able to print white lettering. In the end I gave up and bought an Alps - still available new from a guy in New Zealand. (Mine was second-hand from the USA though) Currently supplies are not a problem, although as others have said these printers are deemed to be obsolete so when they break, they stay broken. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ Scan the wagon, and use that as background, then use white letters cut and pasted from a monochrome BMP and fill in the gaps with the little bucket. Weathering hides the colour differences. Done my rakes of HTVs and MSVs very well Included STONE and the pool with the MSVs Has anyone tried to do what the manufacturers do - Pad Printing? The jig is relatively easy to make, and the cliches can be made from your own artwork by many commercial shops that put printing on promotional handouts such as pens, badges etc. The cliche needs a closed-cup that transports a pool of ink across the cliche. This has to be made so that it does not leak. I use a piston ring set in the cup, and honed on 800 paper, so that it will move water across a glass surface without leaking. The jig needs to pick-up the inked imprint from the cliche and move it on a silicone pad to the required item for stamping. The Pads are shaped for the area to be stamped. They are available moulded to a plywood base for mounting to your jig. I was driven to this because of cost for the real McCoy, and that the commercial cups are linked to the size and cost of the jigs - these are 60mm and then 100mm which greatly increases the cost of the commercial jig: where the side of an OO Private Owner wagon of the era is 80mm. The ink is heat and moisture sensative. It relies on a skin forming in the few seconds that it is being transported on the Pad: this is the means by which the imprint "sticks" to the item. |
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