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Model Forum / General / Railroads / January 2009Exhibitions, do you like them
I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any people would recomend or avoid My recomendations are Warley at the NEC Hartlepool Newcastle Chatham Shoeburyness Tonbridge Wadebridge in Cornwall Falkirk in Scotland my local ones... Halifax, Shipley, Normanton and Pontifract, And Leeds. My now to avoid ones are Southport, Manchester ( its a ok show but too in your face ) and Prseton, Wakefield isnt that good any more niether has anyone got any good show recomendations ??? misc another one i realy liked was Ilford and west essex show, it was busy but plesant and people would chat for ages, traders and layout operaters misc >I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any >people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > misc > another one i realy liked was Ilford and west essex show, it was busy > but plesant and people would chat for ages, traders and layout [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> misc Whats up with York?  SignatureTrev Nobody is perfect. But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. I have not been to York exhibition for years, It clashes with the Factory close down so I am usualy busy with my holidays. misk >> another one i realy liked was Ilford and west essex show, it was busy >> but plesant and people would chat for ages, traders and layout [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Whats up with York? >>> I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there >>> any people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> my local ones... >>> Halifax, Shipley, Normanton and Pontifract, And Leeds. >Whats up with York? Its in Yorkshire G.Harman In news:dgumm4difsot6opvk1qk2154294qpn53ps@4ax.com, <damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk> damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk bashed on keyboard and typed: >>>> I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there >>>> any people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > G.Harman North yorkshie unlike Halifax, (cleckhudersfax) Shipley Normanton and Leeds which are in west Yorkshire ROFL SignatureTrev Nobody is perfect. But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. >>Whats up with York? > > Its in Yorkshire I could be pedantic and say it's not in Yorkshire, but in the County of York. John. >>>Whats up with York? >> >> Its in Yorkshire > > I could be pedantic and say it's not in Yorkshire, but in the County of > York. As far as I'm aware there is currently no official "County of York". York is an ancient borough. It was never part of the former West, North and East Ridings. In 1835 it became a municipal borough, and in 1889 a county borough (independent of any county council). In 1974 under government reform it became a non-metropolitan district in the County of North Yorkshire, then in 1996 it regained unitary status as The City of York, with some expansion of its former boundary. York is the county town of the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire, under the Lord Lietenant of North Yorkshire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/York http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Yorkshire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_county SignatureMartin S. > York is the county town of the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire, under > the Lord Lietenant of North Yorkshire. Now I thought the county town of North Yorkshire was Northallerton. John. >> York is the county town of the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire, >> under the Lord Lietenant of North Yorkshire. > > Now I thought the county town of North Yorkshire was Northallerton. The *ceremonial* county, not the administrative county. SignatureMartin S. > The *ceremonial* county, not the administrative county. Mmm, that's a new one on my, but I bow to your knowledge. John. >> The *ceremonial* county, not the administrative county. > > Mmm, that's a new one on my, but I bow to your knowledge. No need to bow to me, see Wiki. SignatureMartin S. >>> The *ceremonial* county, not the administrative county. >> Mmm, that's a new one on my, but I bow to your knowledge. >No need to bow to me, see Wiki. Ooh, careful. I'd be failing in my duties as a Wikipedia sysop if I didn't point out to you that the so-called "traditional counties" mob have set up shop there long since, and anything you read about English counties should be treated as if it were an editorial in the Daily Mail written by a member of the "Association of British Counties" (oh yes, that exists). Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken > MartinS <me@my.place> said: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Daily Mail written by a member of the "Association of British > Counties" (oh yes, that exists). The ceremonial county of North Yorkshire (defined below) is not the same thing as the "traditional" North Riding of Yorkshire. "York, Middlesbrough and Redcar and Cleveland are unitary authority boroughs which form part of the ceremonial county for various functions such as the Lord Lieutenant of North Yorkshire, but do not come under county council control. Uniquely for a district in England, Stockton-on- Tees is split between North Yorkshire and County Durham for this purpose. Middlesbrough, Stockton-on-Tees, and Redcar and Cleveland boroughs form part of the North East England region." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Yorkshire "The ceremonial counties are areas of England that are appointed a Lord Lieutenant, and are defined by the government as the Counties for the purposes of the Lieutenancies Act 1997 with reference to the metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties of England and Lieutenancies Act 1997. They are often used in a geographic reference frame, and in this capacity are sometimes called geographic counties." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_county SignatureMartin S. >> York is the county town of the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire, >> under the Lord Lietenant of North Yorkshire. > > Now I thought the county town of North Yorkshire was Northallerton. You are correct; I misread Wiki, which states that York is the largest settlement in the *ceremonial* county of North Yorkshire, which takes in the City of York and the unitary authority boroughs of Middlesborough, Redcar & Cleveland, and Stockton-on-Tees (south part only). SignatureMartin S. > I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any > people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > misc Risex in Aylesbury is usually good. Good trade support and a nice modern location (Guttman sports centre near Stoke Mandeville Hospital), but if you go year-on-year you tend to get the same old layouts popping up. One problem is you cannot (or couldn't in previous years) use plastic to pay for entry, despite the fact that the venue (and thus their tills) accept it for normal use. So take enough cash or a cheque book. MBQ >I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any >people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >your face ) and Prseton, Wakefield isnt that good any more niether >has anyone got any good show recomendations ??? What do you mean by too "in your face"? I think Manchester is one of the better shows, although the location isn't entirely ideal. My two favourites, though, are definitely Stafford and Wigan, both of which have excellent quality layouts in good venues at a reasonable price. The only downside is that neither is particularly accessible by public transport (unlike Manchester and Warley, which are best reached by rail). Mark SignatureA Miscellany Of Good Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk http://namestore.good-stuff.co.uk http://news.good-stuff.co.uk For Manchester, Its always the same traders, and it will never change, it to me seems as if there saying this show is perfect and were not going to change for love nor money. To be truthfull DC Kits is possibley why i am saying this, Almost every show you go to Warley, Wigan, Leeds, Pontifract, Chatham, Glasgow Wakefield, Bristol etc He has obviouley got close links with both Wigan and Manchester Back to Manchester, I think the show needs to change its traders or atleased have a good look at what they have got, keep the best of them and remove the traders who are not that good. Misc >>I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any >>people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Mark >I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any >people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > misc I now usually go only to Wigan each year. Warley is good, but a bit too much like hard work for my ageing feet & back. York is also good, but can be a bit tiring, too. Gave up on Manchester some years ago - don't know if it has changed since, but I always thought there were far too many traders and not enough layouts. Bevan >> I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there >> any people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Bevan The latter is what I though of Warley. My health stops me going to exhibitions like I used to but Manchester after the change. Blackburn York, In the old days a weeks MB touring around Wales then down to Bristol was always on the list) now its Shipley and York only SignatureTrev Nobody is perfect. But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. > Trev > Nobody is perfect. > But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. Never ask a man if he is from Yorkshire. If he is he will surely tell you. If he's not, why embarrass him? "Exhibitions, do you like them" No - I don't like people taking all their clothes off in public....... "Exhibitions, do you like them" No - it's all taken far too seriously by the majority and as a consequence rather dull. I only go to Stafford, if I remember, to see what the traders have to offer. Cheers Richard SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb >"Exhibitions, do you like them" > >No - it's all taken far too seriously by the majority and as a >consequence rather dull. I only go to Stafford, if I remember, to see >what the traders have to offer. So would you prefer it to be taken frivolously? :-) Mark SignatureA Miscellany Of Good Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk http://namestore.good-stuff.co.uk http://news.good-stuff.co.uk >>"Exhibitions, do you like them" >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mark Absolutely! A hobby's supposed to be a bit of fun (for all values of fun), serious is for when you get a VAT inspection ;-) Cheers Richard SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb >>>"Exhibitions, do you like them" >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cheers > Richard Me and the Tot have only been to a few nearby ones :- Gresley Nottingham, Mickleover, Derby. Loughborough (Barrow on Soar group) Burton On Trent (demu and none demu) We've always had great fun. Nottingham and Derby had good set of traders that sell stuff I dont normally encounter (Comet, GEM, 247, etc). But at each show his nibs found one or more layouts that would let him direct things or even control them. They could be serious exhibitions ones (00 and O guage) or more playful with LGB. Most important was the operators were ready for a laugh and/or a chat with him and it seemed they got more fun/pleasure out of the interaction than when just running things for themselves. I've always found some locos or scenery of interest. Sometimes have chatted to owners or operators but not always. Think it may be partly the more you put in then the more you get out. Having the tot helps - can loan him out if it helps :-) Cheers, Simon and always had a great time. > >>>"Exhibitions, do you like them" > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Mickleover is a great little exhibition as is Bakewell but the Derby venue is too dark. The folks at Mickleover & Bakewell are VERY child friendly which what matters most to us. Stafford .... we may go again this year but it's too busy and some of the exhibitors should not be allowed to take their layouts as they are too protective of them. Last year @ Stafford our son walked up an alley way behind a layout to look at the rolling stock in the fiddle yard. He was shouted at but had done nothing wrong, other members of the public were there and he just followed. Chris >Mickleover is a great little exhibition as is Bakewell but the Derby >venue is too dark. > >The folks at Mickleover & Bakewell are VERY child friendly which what >matters most to us. Never been to Mickleover, but I agree that Bakewell is an excellent small exhibition and very family-friendly as well. The location and date help, of course, as it means you can have an enjoyable day out where the exhibition is just one part of it. >Stafford .... we may go again this year but it's too busy and some of >the exhibitors should not be allowed to take their layouts as they are >too protective of them. Last year @ Stafford our son walked up an >alley way behind a layout to look at the rolling stock in the fiddle >yard. He was shouted at but had done nothing wrong, other members of >the public were there and he just followed. I think some exhibitors can be unreasonably mistrusting of children, yes. But, on the other hand, I'd never let my daughter wander into a behind-the-scenes area even if other people were there. Exhibition layouts are expensive and often quite fragile, and if something does get damaged then that affects not only the exhibitor but also the rest of the public who've paid to see the layout running. Having been behind the layout myself at exhibitions I'm familiar with the feeling you get when a child (or some adults, for that matter!) gives the impression of not having sufficient respect for the layout. The potential for calamity flashes before your eyes, and it's difficult not to overreact sometimes if the child's parents don't appear to be about to intervene. Mark SignatureA Miscellany Of Good Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk http://namestore.good-stuff.co.uk http://news.good-stuff.co.uk > >Mickleover is a great little exhibition as is Bakewell but the Derby > >venue is too dark. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > not to overreact sometimes if the child's parents don't appear to be > about to intervene. sufficient respect or paranoia ? I do understand your point but ...... The problem I see at many exhibitions is that children cant get to see the layouts because there are rude people blocking their way for hours on end. Had our son show any signs of insufficient respect for the layout he would have been told but he is brilliant, even if I do say so myself. He even tells other children not to touch ! The children have to pay to get in so let them see the layouts, they hopefully will the next generation to fill our shoes in this hobby. Suggest people 'rope off' any areas not open to 'Joe Public' and they come to see the layouts not get shouted at. Chris On 20 Jan, 09:47, Mark Goodge <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:28:40 -0800 (PST), Dragon Heart put finger to > keyboard and typed: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > not to overreact sometimes if the child's parents don't appear to be > about to intervene. >sufficient respect or paranoia ? I do understand your point >but ...... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >come to see the layouts not get shouted at. >Chris Until they show some reason they dont deserve it I dont see why children should be treated with any less respect than adults. The most entertaining layouts for his nibs tend to include operators that will talk to him as an adult. It all seems to go together. Interesting layouts have interesting/friendly operators who put on a show and enjoy themselves at the same time. Cheers, Simon > "Exhibitions, do you like them" > > No - it's all taken far too seriously by the majority and as a > consequence rather dull. I only go to Stafford, if I remember, to see > what the traders have to offer. I have to agree. So many exhibitors seem so far to "up themselves" to be true. Any sense of fun is truly absent. Paul > "Exhibitions, do you like them" > > No - I don't like people taking all their clothes off in public....... On the contrary - no objection if they are of class 40-24-37. Bevan >> "Exhibitions, do you like them" >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bevan You've met Jerry then ? Anon >>> "Exhibitions, do you like them" >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anon Who ? Never heard of him / her /it. Bevan >> Trev >> Nobody is perfect. >> But Being a Yorkshire man is as close as you can get. > > Never ask a man if he is from Yorkshire. If he is he will surely tell > you. If he's not, why embarrass him? LOL Model Rail Scotland in Glasgow, probably the friendliest and most varied exhibition you will find in the UK and open for three days, 20th to 22nd February, so only a few short weeks away now. Don't believe me? Then read what BRM magazine have to say about it in their guide with the February 2009 edition. Go on, make the trip. You know you want to. And look out for Hewisbridge, Drem and Bardowie, three of the best which will be there. Archie >I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, are there any >people would recomend or avoid [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > misc >has anyone got any good show recomendations ??? Wigan. Lots of layouts and traders. Easy parking, just a pity it is so close to christmas and had a Wigan home game on that weekend. One of my favourites. I think Manchester thinks it is bigger than it is, and I don't like the new venue for Preston - I feel I may have missed some bits with it being in a few small rooms as well as the bigger ones. I likeld Leigh when it was at Lowton - small but very friendly atmosphere. Not too sure about the new site yet. SignaturePaul Matthews paul@cattytown.me.uk http://www.hepcats.co.uk >I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, After 40 years or so in the hobby both as a modeller & a trader I can literally claim to have visited hundreds of shows. I have to say these days that shows generally tend to leave me pretty cold, and it's rare that I visit a show these days which really gets me excited or inspired. I suppose the real problem is that the overall standard of layouts has become so good, and as a result everything appear to be much of a muchness, making it so much more difficult to create a layout which stands out from teh norm. It's only the latter which really inspires me, and in the past year or two the only layout which has really had that impact was Hull club's new 009 narrow gauge 'Crumley' which featured very recently in one of the modelling magazine. This really puts a whole new perspective on scenic presentation. The trouble is that level of impact is extremely rare, and unless I see something approaching that standard at any show I tend to leave disappointed. John. >>I as some people already know like going to exhibitions, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > John. Come with us, you'll get a whole new perspective on how to view them. One of the reasons I prefer to go to see real engines at GCR in Loughborough rather than say York or Butterly is the GCR will get 2-3 special (for me) engines per year rather than whole lot. That way can focus on the newcomer and each visit is still special. Cheers, Simon > "Misc" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > something approaching that standard at any show I tend to leave > disappointed. I have to agree ! Our son likes ALL the layouts but for me the ones with the 'extra' detail stand out. One I recall had animated workers, another three were @ Bakewell last year, a mixture of everything with funny scenes ( even mermaids ), other at 'N' again had scenes with a story to tell, the other at 'O' has a fully working coaling stage. Some layouts detract from the hand-built loco's they are attempting to display. Chris > The trouble is that level of impact is extremely rare, I remember my first exhibition (Merseyside) and the impact that the Welsh narrow gauge layout had on me. It's still one of the best I've ever seen and that was 30+ years ago. I don't get to see the UK exhibitions since I live in NL but the thing I find here is that the same layouts are seen over and over again. I even don't go to Eurospoor each year for this reason. That said, the last exhibition I went to was in Den Bosch and it was much better than I expected. There were decent layouts from the UK (EM/P4) as well and the best layout in the exhibition was a North American logging layout by a Brit - much to my surprise as I don't normally like that sort of layout. Ah well, live and learn... -- Rod > The trouble is that level of impact is extremely rare, and unless I see > something approaching that standard at any show I tend to leave > disappointed. > > John. This is interesting because I always enjoy the highly detailed layouts, but the ones that seem to grab my attention for longest are not the ones I would have predicted. The last exhibition I attended a couple of years ago had a large 3-rail layout which I could not drag myself away from. There were Castles passing Deltics on passenger trains, and 2-6-4Ts with Co-Bos on goods trains. No worries about correct sleeper spacing, just painted tinplate. I suppose it brings back the "small boy" in me, and what I would have given in the 1950s to have had access to that layout. Not strictly an exhibition I know, but my all time favourite is the Gainsborough Model Railway Society's O gauge ECML layout. I could spend all day there. I really dont think I ever grew up. |
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