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Model Forum / General / Railroads / February 2009Bachmann 2009
I don't suppose anybody will be interested, but http://www.bachmann.co.uk has been updated this evening... David >I don't suppose anybody will be interested, but http://www.bachmann.co.uk > has been updated this evening... Ta for the reminder about this. 2-EPB! The picture is of the BR version, which I'm relieved about, since I've just bought a kit of the Bulleid version. >>I don't suppose anybody will be interested, but http://www.bachmann.co.uk >> has been updated this evening... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 2-EPB! The picture is of the BR version, which I'm relieved about, since > I've just bought a kit of the Bulleid version. Is this the first time that an LNER 2-8-0 has been produced in OO in ready to run. If so why has it taken so long to produce a exhibit from such a large class of locos. Kevin <snip> : Is this the first time that an LNER 2-8-0 has been produced in OO in ready : to run. If so why has it taken so long to produce a exhibit from such a : large class of locos. I assume you mean LNER (or it's constituent companies) *designed* 2-8-0's, think WD and 8F... :~)  SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > : Is this the first time that an LNER 2-8-0 has been produced in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I assume you mean LNER (or it's constituent companies) *designed* > 2-8-0's, think WD and 8F... :~) I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying that the WD and 8F were LNER designed. The WD was Riddles designed I think and I thought that he was LMS. The LMS and GWR are represented by heavy freight locos but the LNER (and LNER lines in BR) are only represented by the WD and 9F. Did this loco have its origins in the GCR that even worked on the GWR and overseas it seems an odd one to have been missed out. : > <snip> : > : Is this the first time that an LNER 2-8-0 has been produced in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : Did this loco have its origins in the GCR that even worked on the GWR and : overseas it seems an odd one to have been missed out. The LNER (post WW2) had two classes of 2-8-0's on their books - that is they owned them - whilst it is true that the WD was a Riddles design (designed whilst he worked for the War Department, not LMS) and the 8F was a Stanier LMS design built by the LNER during WW2, it is also true that both have been modelled in LNER guise before [1], hence why I was trying to clarify that you were presumably basing your question on who had designed the locos and not just ownership. [1] in the case of the 8F as far back as the 1950s by Hornby-Doublo SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. <snip> : The LNER (post WW2) had two classes of 2-8-0's on their books - Relevant to the discussion in hand, I know that they had more, before any clever-clogs pulls me up on the above... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > : > : The LNER (post WW2) had two classes of 2-8-0's on their books - > > Relevant to the discussion in hand, I know that they had more, > before any clever-clogs pulls me up on the above... Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their ex-Palitoy products. Cheers, Simon > > <snip> > > : [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Cheers, > Simon O4 2-8-0? At last. Yippeee. This is a momentous day. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou Bachmann. Oh boy, my bank balance is going to take a pasting over the next few years, but I am happy. John S <snip> : O4 2-8-0? At last. : : Yippeee. This is a momentous day. Yes indeed, probably one of the most notable gaps for years, considering that the design ran under three railway ownerships (was even used outside the UK) and it's tender got attached to other locos - how long before Bachmann offer it in GWR/BR(w) guise and/or use the tender behind their 0-6-0 Collett Goods?... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed > out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their > ex-Palitoy products. Excuse me Simon <VBG> but isn't the 03 shunter an ex-Palitoy model, and wasn't the 'Jubilee' the same, not to mention the BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0? I don't think that's bad going over the last couple of years. However, I think any manufacturer's money is better spent on completely new models, and for once Bachmann are to be applauded for tackling something new which ran north of the Thames and east of the Pennines. I'm sure the GCR/LNER 04 2-8-0 will prove to be very successful. John. <snip> : However, I think any manufacturer's money is better spent on completely new : models, and for once Bachmann are to be applauded for tackling something new : which ran north of the Thames and east of the Pennines. I'm sure the : GCR/LNER 04 2-8-0 will prove to be very successful. Talk about taking the p!ss John! Come on, most of Bachmann's recent production has centred on stuff that ran north of the Themes and east of the Pennines, A1, A4, B1, J39, K3, V1, V2, the 8 coupled WD - never mind all the BR Standard classes that were found in the area or the old J72 , now they are talking about 'yet another' LNER 4-6-2 tender engine. The number of *steam* locos that ran south of the Themes and east of the M3 can be counted on a couple of fingers is we are talking pre BR designs and one hand if not, even the once well supported GWR looks some what depleted by comparison. If one was to build a model railway using only Bachmann locos and rolling stock the most advantageous area on which to base it would be *north of the Themes and east of the Pennines*... I suggest that you need to actually take stock, the LNER is no longer the poor relation, Bachmann has done the region proud over the last few years. SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > I suggest that you need to actually take stock, the LNER is no > longer the poor relation, Bachmann has done the region proud over > the last few years. A lot of those are old & dated models Jerry, using split-frame technology which is not DCC friendly. John. : > I suggest that you need to actually take stock, the LNER is no : > longer the poor relation, Bachmann has done the region proud over : > the last few years. : : A lot of those are old & dated models Jerry, using split-frame technology : which is not DCC friendly. Your point being what, that you need to do some ruddy MODELLING for a change, just like those who wish to model south of the Themes sill have to?! Give me a 9/10 decent RTR model that might have a 'challenging' chassis to convert to DCC (if one chooses to use DCC) opposed to a Hobson's choice of either kit or scratch building I'll take the RTR model and then do half the work than I would otherwise have to... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > Your point being what, that you need to do some ruddy MODELLING > for a change, I'm perfectly capable of hard-wiring a DCCdecoder into a split framed chassis, but some of my customers - funnily enough the ones the train set market is aimed at - are not. Strange that manufacturers should be pushing DCC so hard, and yet one of the major players is failing to accomodate them in the whole of their range. I could also make the point that the Bachmann split chassis doesn't provide anything like the quality of operation of their 'Blue Ribband' locos. Should those who wish to model ex-LNER prototypes be happy with that? I do believe that the 04 2-8-0 will be the first 'Blue Ribband' ex-LNER loco in the Bachmann range. John. : > Your point being what, that you need to do some ruddy MODELLING : > for a change, : : I'm perfectly capable of hard-wiring a DCCdecoder into a split framed : chassis, but some of my customers - funnily enough the ones the train set : market is aimed at - are not. ...whilst they are also the least likely to be using DCC anyway (or if they are, they will use DCC fitted/compatible locos), so how the chassis works is irrelevant! : Strange that manufacturers should be pushing DCC so hard, and yet one of the : major players is failing to accomodate them in the whole of their range. Funny how those that are pushing DCC *train sets* don't offer *none* DCC fitted locos in those sets! Look at DCC as like the progression from set-track to flexible track - to use flexible track successfully one has to learn new skills, those who can't or don't want to stay with set-track, the same is true of analogue and DCC. : I could also make the point that the Bachmann split chassis doesn't provide : anything like the quality of operation of their 'Blue Ribband' locos. : Should those who wish to model ex-LNER prototypes be happy with that? I do : believe that the 04 2-8-0 will be the first 'Blue Ribband' ex-LNER loco in : the Bachmann range. In comparison with those who model the SR, and to some extent even the GWR, they should be happy with what they have - it's a dammed sight more than many have, stop complaining, stop being a 'box opener' - start doing some railway *modelling*... I can just see the letters to magazines or the posts to the 'web' complaining that Bachmann are not offering one new item of stock this year, other than spending the years development funds on redesigning chassis... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > In comparison with those who model the SR, and to some extent > even the GWR, they should be happy with what they have - it's a > dammed sight more than many have, stop complaining, stop being a > 'box opener' - start doing some railway *modelling*... Bit difficult as I sell boxes, and rely on 'box openers' for my living Jerry. Just do a quick comparison and see how many DCC-ready locos are available for each of the Big 4 companies. I think you'll find the LNER lag way behind the rest. John. : > In comparison with those who model the SR, and to some extent : > even the GWR, they should be happy with what they have - it's a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Bit difficult as I sell boxes, and rely on 'box openers' for my living : Jerry. You are a toy shop, I thought you were a *MODEL* railway shop?... : Just do a quick comparison and see how many DCC-ready locos are available : for each of the Big 4 companies. I think you'll find the LNER lag way : behind the rest. So f***ing what, you don't have to use DCC, the fact is, the LNER is now well supported, how the chassis works is irrelevant to that FACT - or perhaps those who *model* in EM or P4 should also start ranting on that Bachmann don't support them at all with any RTR stock... As a comparison with the number of LNER/BR(E) locos on offer, Bachmann appear to have but one Southern (railway/region) steam out-line classes - three if you inclued the EMU's - in their 2009 range (never mind it being split chassis, DCC ready or RTR P4), what are the toy/model shops south of the Themes meant to sell, other than suggest that they model an area 'north of the Themes and east of the Pennies' when someone comes asking for a Southern railway/region loco from Bachmann? SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > what are the toy/model shops south of the Themes meant to sell, > other than suggest that they model an area 'north of the Themes > and east of the Pennies' when someone comes asking for a Southern > railway/region loco from Bachmann? Refer the customer to the Hornby range. Bachmann obviously don't think that it makes economic sense for them to make SR steam models at this time, luckily for the customer Hornby do. Alan Signaturealan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC : > what are the toy/model shops south of the Themes meant to sell, : > other than suggest that they model an area 'north of the Themes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : that it makes economic sense for them to make SR steam models at this : time, luckily for the customer Hornby do. I think you make my point... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > You are a toy shop, I thought you were a *MODEL* railway shop?... Any shop wishing to survive reflects the demands of their customers. I don't really care whether you class it as a model shop or a toy shop. It's only an issue for you. John. : > You are a toy shop, I thought you were a *MODEL* railway shop?... : : Any shop wishing to survive reflects the demands of their customers. I : don't really care whether you class it as a model shop or a toy shop. It's : only an issue for you. As do manufactures, and obviously Bachmann considers that their 2009/10 budget is better spent on new models (with high earnings potential) than spending the money on re tooling older models and/or their chassis's that might not even recover the cost of the retooling. SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. >> Your point being what, that you need to do some ruddy MODELLING >> for a change, > I'm perfectly capable of hard-wiring a DCCdecoder into a split framed > chassis, but some of my customers - funnily enough the ones the train set > market is aimed at - are not. > Strange that manufacturers should be pushing DCC so hard, and yet one of the > major players is failing to accomodate them in the whole of their range. > I could also make the point that the Bachmann split chassis doesn't provide > anything like the quality of operation of their 'Blue Ribband' locos. J39 is fine, so are the K3 and V2s. V1/V3 is reasonable, the main problem with them is that sometimes you get one where the pony trucks don't stay on the track properly. The chasis on the J72, on the other hand, is shite and will explode as soon as you look at it funny. > I do believe that the 04 2-8-0 will be the first 'Blue Ribband' > ex-LNER loco in the Bachmann range. Don't think they were round Teeside much AFAIK, NER had plenty of 0-8-0s and the Q7 was thought by many to be a bit over-powered for duties other than the runs up to Consett. How long's that Peppercorn A2 been in the range? Too late for Thorpe Thewles or Project X, but could look nice on Castledale. SignatureJades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address! >I could also make the point that the Bachmann split chassis doesn't provide >anything like the quality of operation of their 'Blue Ribband' locos. >Should those who wish to model ex-LNER prototypes be happy with that? Quite. The split-chassis models are simply archaic. They can be made to work, but working is only a small part of the equation. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken : >I could also make the point that the Bachmann split chassis doesn't provide : >anything like the quality of operation of their 'Blue Ribband' locos. : >Should those who wish to model ex-LNER prototypes be happy with that? : : Quite. The split-chassis models are simply archaic. They can be : made to work, but working is only a small part of the equation. Then Comet (etc.) is your friend, perhaps you would prefer if Bachmann just withdraw the model(s) from the range - they would probably loose less money by not selling the product that retooling it... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > I do believe that the 04 2-8-0 will be the first 'Blue Ribband' ex-LNER > loco in the Bachmann range. Ooops, sorry, forgot the A1. John. >> Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed >> out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >which ran north of the Thames and east of the Pennines. I'm sure the >GCR/LNER 04 2-8-0 will prove to be very successful. It should be even more successful when they bring out a GWR version. >John. SignatureJane British OO, American and Australian HO, and DCC in the garden http://www.yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk/railway/railway.html <snip> : >GCR/LNER 04 2-8-0 will prove to be very successful. : : It should be even more successful when they bring out a GWR version. I wonder if Bachmann will modify one to EM gauge, have it painted in GC livery and then present it to a certain Peter Denny?... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. >> Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed >> out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > John. Still <VBG> 03 - ex-Palitoy - not according to my aging copy of Ramsay. But thats a good point, bought a MR/LMS 1F kit yesterday and after rereading the class history was wondering why Bachmann brought out the 3F instead of the 1F ? Then there was all this fuss that Hornby 'stole' the rebuilt Scot and Patriot. So what does Bachmann do in response - upgrades the Jubilee (excellent) then brings out a parallel boiler Patriot that was new to them but still available (if older model) from Hornby and continue to sell the ex-Palitoy parallel boiler Scot. I feel sorry for all those lesser aware persons what buys the Scot (and B1) not realising Bachmann have promised to upgrade all these split chassis models. Yes the O4 is a nice model to bring out - no complaints there, may even get one eventually as weve seen it at Loughborough and even if it didnt visit LMS rails its not too far out to pretend it did. Cheers, Simon >>> Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed >>> out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Still <VBG> > 03 - ex-Palitoy - not according to my aging copy of Ramsay. I have an old 03 at home that definitely says Mainline on the box and on the model. Mainline = Palitoy doesn't it? ROB : >>> Never mind that, wheres the upgraded Scot and other split chassis timed : >>> out models. Over to Hornby then, Bachmann taking too long with their [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] : : Mainline = Palitoy doesn't it? Yes, "Mainline" was the brand used by Palitoy for their UK model railway range, Mainline was never (in the context of RTR model railways) a company in it's self. SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > : Mainline = Palitoy doesn't it? > > Yes, "Mainline" was the brand used by Palitoy for their UK model > railway range, Mainline was never (in the context of RTR model > railways) a company in it's self. Whose factory/offices were sited just 3 miles up the road from me in Coalville ! Hope they didnt choose Ashby as a potential site for the Hitachi trains factory cos the area has a histrory of train building - they only designed them at Palitoy. Cheers, Simon Cheers, Simon > 03 - ex-Palitoy - not according to my aging copy of Ramsay. Definitely released in Palitoy's Mailine range. I have one here. John. >> 03 - ex-Palitoy - not according to my aging copy of Ramsay. > > Definitely released in Palitoy's Mailine range. I have one here. > > John. Oh you mean the dirty diesel. That one backfired on me as it seemed to allow you to side step the rest of my post - which was much more interesting :-) Cheers, Simon > That one backfired on me as it seemed to allow you to side step the rest > of my post - which was much more interesting :-) Not intentionally mate, there's lots of things I'd have done differently if I'd had the decision making hat on for either or both of Bachmann &/or Hornby. Certainly a 3F or 4F tender loco would have scored for me before a re-tooled Jinty, and I wouldn't have touched unrebuilt Scots with a bargepole - anyone on here remember the prototypes? Hornby should maybe have redone their Patriot some time ago, but obviously not a priority, but I've no real arguement with Bachmann for tackling that - and an excellent job they've made of it too, when compared with the Hornby (over-wide) tender drive abortion. The ROD 2-8-0s (LNER 04s) were actually taken into stock by the LNWR, but whether any made it into LMS ownership I doubt, but I'm not 100% sure on that. So maybe they did get used extensively on LMS routes, but only in the pre-grouping era. John. >> That one backfired on me as it seemed to allow you to side step the rest >> of my post - which was much more interesting :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > re-tooled Jinty, and I wouldn't have touched unrebuilt Scots with a > bargepole - anyone on here remember the prototypes? Unrebuilt Scots ? apart from couple of problems thought they were excellent locos for theyre time ? > Hornby should maybe have redone their Patriot some time ago, but obviously > not a priority, but I've no real arguement with Bachmann for tackling > that - and an excellent job they've made of it too, when compared with the > Hornby (over-wide) tender drive abortion. True the Patriot is a fine model, but still think they had a moral responsibility to stop producing the older Scot and upgrade it. Hence it should have been out before the Patriot - now reaching point of taking the pi??.. No jerry, am not afraid of DCC'ing a split chassis*, more concerned with anyone buying a Scot now only to have the new better upgraded model appear in the shops soon after. > John. * think someone remarked on here something to the effect of rather have something like this available as RTR and then spend time doing other modelling tasks. Cheers, Simon <snip> : True the Patriot is a fine model, but still think they had a moral : responsibility to stop producing the older Scot and upgrade it. Hence it : should have been out before the Patriot - now reaching point of taking the : pi??.. WTF has morals got to do with business these days, if Bachmann and Hornby had any morals they would produce the models in the UK and not China! Don't goad Bachmann or Hornby to much or you might just find that they do indeed withdraw the existing model(s), not re-tool them, as I pointed out before - it might actually be cheaper to accept the lost trade than to re-tool. : No jerry, am not afraid of DCC'ing a split chassis*, more concerned with : anyone buying a Scot now only to have the new better upgraded model appear : in the shops soon after. If you want a Scot you will either buy what ever the RTR version is or - horror of horrors - buy a kit, no one is forcing you to buy what you consider an indifferent RTR loco... http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/modules/locokits.php There you go, all your problems sorted (LK1), except that you will have to do some *modelling* for a change rather than just opening the f***ing box! Oh, and could this be one of the reasons why Bachmann have not spent money re-tooling a chassis that can be so easily replaced by the serious *modeller* (mind any line wrap), your looking for LCP1; http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/modules/viewcategory.php/Locomotive%20Chassis%20Pac ks%20and%20Components SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > : [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > re-tool them, as I pointed out before - it might actually be > cheaper to accept the lost trade than to re-tool. The moral that says dont alienate your customers else you may lose them. Bachmann/everyone moaned like hell when Hornby 'stole' the rebuilt Scot and rebuilt Patriot then instead of upgrading their Parallel Boiler Scot they 'steal' the original boiler Patriot. Bachmann said they were running a program to upgrade all split chassis locos. However the older split chassis model is still in the catalogue. If I bought the old Scot and then an upgraded one came out I would be upset. Cheers, Simon <snip> : However the older split chassis model is still in the catalogue. If I bought : the old Scot and then an upgraded one came out I would be upset. Oh come on, that would apply to any upgrade, not just because you don't like what chassis is fitted, just think what those who - a few years back - bought the old Hornby 9F model only to find a re-tooled version in the (then) new catalogue... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > : [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > few years back - bought the old Hornby 9F model only to find a > re-tooled version in the (then) new catalogue... Yes thats true, and realise its a minefield but this case is slightly different in that Bachmann have already declared an intent to upgrade. However how many retailers warn their customers. Cheers, Simon <snip> : Yes thats true, and realise its a minefield but this case is slightly : different in that Bachmann have already declared an intent to upgrade. : However how many retailers warn their customers. Then wait, just like all though who have been waiting for the 4Cep rather than buy a kit, have a bash at modifying RTR BR Mk1's... Sorry but this just seems to be a case of 'Stamping ones feet and getting in a paddy-whack' because what you want hasn't been done yet - how long has the 4Cep been in announced, IIRC far longer than your re-tooled Jubilee, we all know by now that with Bachmann it's done when it's done, as Kim implied in another thread about the 2009 Bachmann catalogue, much of it reads like fiction - we all know that many items won't see 2009 and might not even see much if any of 2010 either! SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > : > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > fiction - we all know that many items won't see 2009 and might > not even see much if any of 2010 either! Not bothered for myself, quite enjoy the anticipation. tis just.... Theyve announced Scot will be upgraded. still producing old version. they were upset at Hornby stealing rebuilt Scot and Patriot. Brought out Patriot - new tooling, new to Bachmann. so think they should get on with upgrading Scot. CHeers, Simon <snip> : Not bothered for myself, quite enjoy the anticipation. tis just.... : Theyve announced Scot will be upgraded. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : so think they should get on with upgrading Scot. Wow, you really do have a vivid imagination, ever thought of being the next Rev Awdry?!... > <snip> > : Not bothered for myself, quite enjoy the anticipation. tis [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Wow, you really do have a vivid imagination, ever thought of > being the next Rev Awdry?!... Thank you, a most kind offer, will give it some thought and let you know :-) cheers, Simon ><snip> >: Not bothered for myself, quite enjoy the anticipation. tis [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Wow, you really do have a vivid imagination, ever thought of >being the next Rev Awdry?!... That would put a different face on things. > <snip> > : [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/modules/viewcategory.php/Locomotive%20Chassis%20Pac ks%20and%20Components But as I'm sure someone said recently I'd much rather use my time as a serious modeller to build a kit that is unlikely to appear asa RTR. Bachmann have said they will upgrade the Scot so I'm waiting. Also look how expensive it is to upgrade.... Chassis £27.50 Driving Wheels/axles £30 Bogie/tender Wheels £25 Motor/gearbox £25 Say £100 on top of cost of loco and its still got an old body. Would rather use that money on a kit thats less likely to be realeased in RTR. As for real modelling - have reached painting stage on one kit and starting on conversion a tender drive 4F to loco drive with a Comet chassis. Will that do for a beginner ? Cheers, Simon <snip> : 2-EPB! The picture is of the BR version, which I'm relieved about, since : I've just bought a kit of the Bulleid version. Makes sense, considering that the upper bodywork was based on the BR Mk1 suburban coach IIRC... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. |
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