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Model Forum / General / Railroads / March 2009An apology :-)
This is firstly a sincere apology to everyone on the group ( apart from 'Jerry' ) for way I have been countering all his posts. 'Jerry' is, as you all know by now, an Internet Troll. 'Jerry's' language and otherwise rude / vulgar behaviour is unfortunately one of the things that are so sad about these types of groups. They get some sort of perverted joy from name calling, starting and fuelling arguments with other group members. 'Jerry' is likely to be a cover for several Troll's attempting to use 'false' e-mail addresses. 'Jerry' may also have logged onto this group under one or more other member profiles, sort of like Internet schizophrenia. As you saw last night 'Jerry' has attempted another typical Troll tactic of suggesting some one else is a Troll. They try to breed mistrust amongst the group members. People like 'Jerry's' ultimate aim is to get the members so fed up of the slanging matches that they avoid posting to the group or leave so that the group eventually dies. The ONLY way to get shut of 'Jerry' and others like them can be summed up by SID .... " Silence Is Deafening ". Being unable to upset or wind up other group members will ultimately frustrate them. My advice :- Don't reply to 'Jerry's' posts, don't let Jerry' bait you, however rude it is. Kind regards Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. >People like 'Jerry's' ultimate aim is to get the members so fed up of >the slanging matches that they avoid posting to the group or leave so >that the group eventually dies. Two tips: 1. Ignore, use a killfile 2. Do not chastise others openly for feeding the troll (this only gratifies the troll's ego), send email instead. It is sometimes fun to fire a well-aimed riposte at an inaccuracy stated by a pedantic troll. This is a game anyone can play, but don't get sucked into the game of goalpost-moving. Better to ignore them, I think. Guy  Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken : On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:18:55 -0800 (PST), Dragon Heart : <chris.brett58@o2.co.uk> said in <c49374a5-4386-4f46-9a7d-80365a3c13a3@c11g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>: : >People like 'Jerry's' ultimate aim is to get the members so fed up of : >the slanging matches that they avoid posting to the group or leave so [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : 1. Ignore, use a killfile He can't, he is a 'Google groupie' (with two user names)... : 2. Do not chastise others openly for feeding the troll (this only : gratifies the troll's ego), send email instead. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : don't get sucked into the game of goalpost-moving. Better to ignore : them, I think. Thanks Guy, perhaps I'll take you advice and just kill file Dragon, or is it Chris..... : 'Jerry' is, as you all know by now, an Internet Troll. <snip> Err, says the poster with TWO usernames... >People like 'Jerry's' ultimate aim is to get the members so fed >up of >the slanging matches that they avoid posting to the group or >leave so >that the group eventually dies. <snip the rest of *your* trolling> You are doing a great job yourself Dragon (or is it Chris?...), what I'm trying to do is to rid the group of all the idiots posting their clap-trap to this group (not to stop them posting, just stop them from posting 'answers'), want to troll, then f.ck off to alt.troll, want to post press cutting then RFD uk.media.newspapers.local-clippings (or some such name), want to advertise thinly relevant products then the uk.adverts.* groups will keep you from being called a spammer... No, I want this group to go from strength to strength, unlike some on this group, mentioning no names Chris, perhaps these peoples credibility would be strengthen if they found a clue and got themselves proper nntp accounts - we all know how poor the Google AUP is, trolls can and do post anything via Google, those on decent nntp servers have to account for their actions should they fail foul of their nntp hosts AUP... Clue Chris, if you really do think that I'm trolling try complaining to my nntp host, but expect to be laughed at - again. SignatureRegards, Jerry. Location - United Kingdom. In the first instance please reply to group, sorry, Emails to the reply-to address are deleted unread. On Mar 4, 9:53 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > No, I want this group to go from strength to strength, So, if you disagree with someone, there are ways of expressing yourself that don't include calling people fuckwits, wankstains, liars, morons, trolls, and numerous other epithets you have applied to poeple. It's invariably your behaviour that gets up others' noses and inflames the "debate". Why not just post your opinions in a reasoned and adult way, perhaps citing a few references to back you up, and let others decide, as groen adults, who they wish to believe? MBQ On Mar 4, 9:53 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: : > No, I want this group to go from strength to strength, : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : your behaviour that gets up others' noses and inflames : the "debate". But if the name fits why not use them, I rarely use them on 'first offenders', mostly on repeat offenders, and/or when others have used insults on me (what's good for the goose is also good for the gander...). : Why not just post your opinions in a reasoned and adult : way, perhaps citing a few references to back you up, and : let others decide, as groen adults, who they wish to : believe? Even when I do certain people still can't just accept that *they* are wrong (as others have noted, when I find that I'm wrong I tend to go rather quite on the subject - put it another way, I stop digging!). Anyway very few google groupies know anything, that is why they use google, because they are clueless, lets face it you don't need to be a Albert Einstein to find a nntp host/server or newsreader (if you can't install/use newsreader software then you probably should not be posting to Usenet via Google either). Probably only one percent of Google group users have a legitimate use/need for the posting via the service, the rest are either ignorant, spammers or trolls - and I'm not alone in thinking that, http://improve-usenet.org/index.html... On Mar 4, 11:35 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > Even when I do certain people still can't just accept that *they* > are wrong So let them live in their blissful ignorance. > (as others have noted, when I find that I'm wrong I > tend to go rather quite on the subject - Quite, but if you actually apoligised for the abuse you've already hurled when proven wrong, instead of going off in a silent sulk, people might form a different opinion of you. > Google either). Probably only one percent of Google group users > have a legitimate use/need for the posting via the service, the It's got nothing to do with legitimacy. Using GG is not against any laws. > rest are either ignorant, spammers or trolls - and I'm not alone > in thinking that,http://improve-usenet.org/index.html... Mostly one person's (now dead) opinion. Hardly a project, more a bigotted rant against people who choose to use different tools. MBQ On Mar 4, 11:35 am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: : > Even when I do certain people still can't just : > accept that *they* are wrong : : So let them live in their blissful ignorance. I don't care about *their* blissful ignorance, it's others who might go one to believe 'their' ignorance that worries me... : > (as others have noted, when I find that I'm : > wrong I tend to go rather quite on the subject - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : of going off in a silent sulk, people might form a : different opinion of you. Why, how many offer apologise to me when I prove that they are wrong, as I said, at least I know when to stop digging - sorry but the same can not be said about Chris, you and others in this respect, if you (or anyone) want respect from me then you'll will have to show me respect first. : > Google either). Probably only one percent of Google : > group users have a legitimate use/need for the posting : > via the service, the : It's got nothing to do with legitimacy. Using GG is : not against any laws. No, unfortunately, but it does give an indication as to the intelligence of the poster, if they can't be bothered to use a proper nntp server then are they intelligent to post anything intelligent?! Sorry but google groups is a proven posting 'method of choice' (due to the lax AUP) by trolls, spammers, and general no-hopers - do yourself a favour, stop associating with such losers... : > rest are either ignorant, spammers or trolls - and : > I'm not alone in thinking that, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : more a bigotted rant against people who choose to use : different tools. And that is another opinion from a biased Google groupie... There has been a very recent discussion this very group about problems caused by the use of Google groups on the wider Usenet community. Web forums belong on the Web, text based groups belong on either Usenet or (such antiquities as) BBS boards. I suppose Google groups has to be thanked for one thing though, most of the idiots who used to post HTML messages via their AOL accounts to Usenet now post plain-text via Google groups at least even if the content is still as irrelevant as before (no Kim, that comment is *not* directed at you, just a general observation as to the worth of the average AOLer) and Google seems to have made the 'quote previous text' option more prominent even if it does still corrupt the formatting. > This is firstly a sincere apology to everyone on the group ( apart > from 'Jerry' ) for way I have been countering all his posts. > snip... > Chris come on chris lighten up you're better than that. If you dont like what someone says then just ignore the post. if they say something interesting and you want to then reply. That trains people towards debate. Its like road rage there are never any winners in that game. Closer to topic, I used to commute from Nuneaton to Euston everyday followed by 15 mins on the fun loving northern line. One day was really ratty and tried to trip up the city gent type person that pushed in front of me to get onto the carraige - classily done of course, difficult to prove that is what I was doing ! Was horrified that I would stoop to such revenge tactics. Now I just smile and ignore it then carry on. As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may shoot me, but I retain the moral high ground". Cheers, Simon <snip> : As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may shoot : me, but I retain the moral high ground". Easy to say when you know that you'll just 'regenerate'! > As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may > shoot me, but I retain the moral high ground". Not if you fall over! ;-) John. There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over many Google groups. DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY ? Not wishing to patronise but some of you may not have the faintest idea what some of the phrases used in this topic are about :- NNTP accounts ? Network News Transfer Protocol is an application used mostly for reading & posting 'usernet' articles e.g. Google Groups. You are required to download an additional piece of software onto your PC. It is therefore PC ( desktop ) based not web bases e.g. Google. Some of these nntp accounts are 'free' to download and use others are paid for. There are a number of advantages using a desktop reader account, one of which is speed. Arguably one of the best web based readers is 'Google Reader'. It's not that Google Reader isn't fast, but its desktop counterparts are faster. I don't know about you but I have taken up the model railway hobby for two main reasons, one of which is to wind-down. Google groupie ? As you will of guessed this IS patronising, similar to the comments made in PC vs. MAC arguments. RSS ? Really Simple Syndication ...... a group of web based formats used to publish things like video's, news reports & music. False e-mail address's ? You may have seen the warnings on Google Groups that your e-mail address will become visible to all. There are web applications / pages that allow you to create either temporary or permanent false e-mail address's. Good idea if you are using a 'dial up' connection as it cuts down on downloaded Spam or you wish to hide your identity ! Killfile ? Bit like the 'Block Sender' list in Outlook Express. Anyone who you don't want to read their posting you can put directly into the 'killfile' just like Spam Internet 'Trolls' normally don't use one as they need peoples posts to keep their arguments fuelled. My FINAL comments on this matter :- " ........ how many offer apologise to me when I prove (?) that they are wrong, as I said, at least I know when to stop digging - sorry but the same can not be said about Chris, you and others in this respect, if you (or anyone) want respect from me then you'll will have to show me respect first ........ " Bit of a circular argument don't you think ? " ......... but if the name fits why not use them, I rarely use them on 'first offenders', mostly on repeat offenders, and/or when others have used insults (?) on me ....... " Who made them Chief of the Google Group police ? Usenet groups have thread / posts that are off-topic, rude, and / or obnoxious. They may also be cross-posted to other groups as well. This behaviour is contrary to common practices, it wastes time / resources, and it is discouraged by recommendations contained in Internet RFC 1855. (IFC's are the 'Netiquette' rules of the Internet.) Generally these threads are started by or continued by a few people who only want to start, or can't avoid, an argument, they may be TROLLS, or at the very least they are acting like trolls. Ref. http://www.rfc1855.net/ I will leave you to make up you own minds about 'Jerry', me & my comments :-) Chris aka Dragon Heart It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. In message <a302143c-96b4-4951-b065-8dca75a431e1@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, chris.brett58@o2.co.uk writes >There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of >that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over >many Google groups. How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ? Adrian SignatureTo Reply : replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies. > In message > <a302143c-96b4-4951-b065-8dca75a43...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ? Group info ! Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. The message <cbadb217-9482-44b8-b96c-fc5e12b3062c@w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> from chris.brett58@o2.co.uk contains these words: > > >There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of > > >that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over > > >many Google groups. > > > > How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ? > Group info ! From where? Does it include *all* members, or just those who subscribe via goooglegroups? Just interested, you understand. SignatureDave, Frodsham http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net >> In message >> <a302143c-96b4-4951-b065-8dca75a43...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Group info ! That only tells you how many people are subscribed to it via Google Groups. It tells you nothing at all how many people read it via NNTP, or any other web interface, or even how many people read it via GG without being subscribed. Mark -- Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk >That only tells you how many people are subscribed to it via Google >Groups. And half of them are the same person :-) Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken >>That only tells you how many people are subscribed to it via Google >>Groups. > > And half of them are the same person :-) Who hasnt yet worked out how to unsubscribe :-) > Guy Cheers, Simon : In message <a302143c-96b4-4951-b065-8dca75a431e1@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, : chris.brett58@o2.co.uk writes : >There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of : >that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over : >many Google groups. : : How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ? He can't, at best all he can tell is how many people have posted to this Usenet group, and depending on how Google indexes the users one could have two or more people counted as one or people counted twice or more if they have changed username or senders address. Never mind the fact that the idiot doesn't even understand that Google is a web *to* Usenet interface.... > NNTP accounts ? Network News Transfer Protocol is an application used Actually NNTP is the means (protocol) that applications use to exchange messages - but thats just being pedantic. > Chris aka Dragon Heart Not sure if its your formatting or the app you are using to post, but could not see in that post which were your comments and which were posted by others. If google groups doesnt perform decent formatting then perhaps you could add some yourself. I agree the means by which some people give you the info that there are problems with reading your mails are not the best but when we ask for no top posting (no dont mean you) and reasonable formatting its not just so we can appear superior its to make it easier to debate. CHeers, Simon > <chris.bret...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message > > Not sure if its your formatting or the app you are using to post, but could > not see in that post which were your comments and which were posted by > others. Cut & pasted in " " > If google groups doesnt perform decent formatting then perhaps you could add > some yourself. > I agree the means by which some people give you the info that there are > problems with reading your mails are not the best but when we ask for no top > posting (no dont mean you) and reasonable formatting its not just so we can > appear superior its to make it easier to debate. I have NO problem with that Simon, making life easier is what PC's and the web are all about. It's just the elitist attitude of some people that get me and others. The web should be for anyone, no mater what their level of expertise, that's why Google Groups is so popular. Newgroup feeds are ideal for dealing with information quickly and efficiently, not everyone actually needs them but that is individual choice. Thanks for your comments. Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. <snipped> : It's just the elitist attitude of some It's not elitist to find a clue, in fact most would call it common sense, of course unlike a horse that can be taken to water but can never be made to drink, the terminally clueless will never even allow others to lead them to the water - never mind drink... What Usenet is; <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet> What Usenet is not; <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups> > I agree the means by which some people give you the info that there are > problems with reading your mails are not the best but when we ask for no top > posting (no dont mean you) and reasonable formatting its not just so we can > appear superior its to make it easier to debate. Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) MBQ > "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:31ff3172-da7e-459d-b47a-> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> can >> appear superior its to make it easier to debate. > Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) Actually, last year I was conceited but this year I'm perfect ;o) SignatureKeith W Sunbury on Thames (If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living) On Mar 5, 10:28 pm, "simon" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > I agree the means by which some people give you the info that there are > problems with reading your mails are not the best but when we ask for no > top > posting (no dont mean you) and reasonable formatting its not just so we > can > appear superior its to make it easier to debate. Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) MBQ thanks, was beginning to worry that no one would say anything.:-) >Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) ^^^ ITYM none of us /is/ perfect :-) Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken >> Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) > ^^^ > > ITYM none of us /is/ perfect :-) > > Guy Only the nit-picking grammarians who mistakenly believe that English is a type of Latin insist on that. Centuries old usage prefers the plural. IOW "none of us are" = "all of us are not" in common understanding. >>> Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) >> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Only the nit-picking grammarians who mistakenly believe that English is >a type of Latin insist on that. Centuries old usage prefers the plural. Guy is right. We were told off at school if we treated it as plural, because it is a shortened form of "not one". It was a mark of the uneducated. >>>> Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) >>> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It was a mark of the uneducated. No, your teachers were wrong (as they would have discovered had they taken my course on the history of English language and grammar back in the 60s. ;-)) A lot of nonsense is taught in the schools. 90% of what is taught as grammar is merely usage. Of course, if you violate usage rules, you mark yourself as Not One Of Us, so it's important to know which usage rules prevail where. There are two very bad usage behaviours: a) expecting other people to follow yours; and b) adopting usages that are foreign to you. Both are patronising, which in some quarters can lead to a bloody lip. ;-) cheers, wolf k. <snip> : A lot of nonsense is taught in the schools. 90% of what is taught as : grammar is merely usage. Of course, if you violate usage rules, you mark : yourself as Not One Of Us, so it's important to know which usage rules : prevail where. There are two very bad usage behaviours: a) expecting : other people to follow yours; !...but Arh yes want if you yourself to make helps understood it the to use correctrules In the above I've used only three rules that are different to the expected norm, one is obvious, the second is more or less obvious, can you work out the other third rule (or should I say rule of third), once you do you will understand why your statement about rules above is so stupid! :~) : <snip> :: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] : rule of third), once you do you will understand why your : statement about rules above is so stupid! :~) Oops confused myself there never mind anyone else! Substitute "be" for 'make'. Answer below; Arh yes but if you want yourself to BE understood it helps to use the correct rules!... > "Wolf K" <wekirch@sympatico.ca> wrote in message [...] > In the above I've used only three rules that are different to the > expected norm [...] Whose? And you've violated one of _our_ usage rules in that sentence. On Mar 7, 2:58 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > <snip> > : [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > rule of third), once you do you will understand why your > statement about rules above is so stupid! :~) Lets just deviate into the realms of "what-if?" for a moment. Are there any age rules for this group? I dont know of any. Calling people who do not use your choice of software 'w@nkers' might be ok if you actually knew who you were corresponding with, but how do you know they are not a 10 year old prospective modeller who has been allowed on his/her parents computer to search for advice, searched on Google and found this group? Maybe the abusive pedants on here are so convinced of their own unassailable superiority that they dont care, but I wonder how many youngsters have been put off railway modelling for life once they discover the obnoxious responses they might get for making such an 'earth shattering' mistake as calling a locomotive chimney a funnel? Nice one. <snip> : Are there any age rules for this group? I dont know : of any. Calling people who do not use your choice of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : search for advice, searched on Google and found this : group? <snip> Hmm, me thinks that they hear a lot worse in the playground these days, also 10 year old kids should not be allowed to use Usenet, there are far worse things on Usenet than a couple of worlds that most kids will have heard used if they haven't used them themselves. Actually most kids that age would use Google to search out (moderated) web forums I suspect, many probably don't even know of Usenet or Google groups. In fact, IMO kids that young (junior school and younger) shouldn't even be allowed to use the internet for researching (school work or otherwise), no rime or reason for them to do so, they should be learning how to use books, the library and the like, the sub thread about horizontally opposed engines goes to show that the internet is full of *incorrect* information. SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > like, the sub thread about horizontally opposed engines goes to > show that the internet is full of *incorrect* information. Agree with jerry on both. Gave up trying to get tot to never swear and am trying to get him to consider the context - who is around etc. Tot trumps, daddy farts and theres a rare wiffy perspire which may or may not emant from her ladyship - but we dont discuss that. For primary and early junior school kids computers are just an interesting skill not an essential subject. Good idea to introduce them to some games and the BBC website but thats all they need. Any lower school that boasts a 'computer suite' appears a bit off topic to me. Cheers, Simon " Are there any age rules for this group? I dont know of any. Calling people who do not use your choice of software 'w@nkers' might be ok if you actually knew who you were corresponding with, but how do you know they are not a 10 year old prospective modeller who has been allowed on his/her parents computer to search for advice, searched on Google and found this group ? " Jerry's reply " Hmm, me thinks that they hear a lot worse in the playground these days, also 10 year old kids should not be allowed to use Usenet, there are far worse things on Usenet than a couple of worlds that most kids will have heard used if they haven't used them themselves. Actually most kids that age would use Google to search out (moderated) web forums I suspect, many probably don't even know of Usenet or Google groups. " Sorry 'Jerry' but you're about 15 to 20 years out of touch with the 10 year olds of today ! YES ! but it still does not make it right does it ? People complain about 'falling standards' but are not prepared to do ANYTHING about it and even contribute to those falling standards. If we are to believe the papers even the Queen swears but would you swear at her ? Whilst some people may swear verbally they rarely do so in writing and then normally only when they have nothing further constructive to say. " In fact, IMO kids that young (junior school and younger) shouldn't even be allowed to use the internet for researching(school work or otherwise), no rime or reason for them to do so, they should be learning how to use books, the library and the like, the sub thread about horizontally opposed engines goes to show that the internet is full of *incorrect* information. " " ...... kids that young (junior school and younger) shouldn't even be allowed to use the Internet for researching ......... " What year is this ? Reference books that are years out of date ! What's the point ? Our local library has it's own public use PC's for access to the Internet. YES ! the internet is full of 'incorrect' information .... so why add to it ? Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. <snip> : People complain : about 'falling standards' but are not prepared to do ANYTHING about it : and even contribute to those falling standards. Totally agree, now if you kept your ignorant arsehole firmly shut you would help to reduce the amount of disinformation on this group, so are those words of 'wisdom' (above) from a 'man' of his word or just more methane escaping from his arse. <snip> : Whilst some people may swear verbally they rarely do so in writing and : then normally only when they have nothing further constructive to say. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : be allowed to use the Internet for researching ......... " What : year is this ? <snip> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ronnie_Hazlehurst#The_SClub_7_Hoax 'nough said... Even some clueless researcher (who should have known better) at the BBC, yes the same organisation for who Mr Hazlehurst worked, fell for that tit-bit of miss-information found on the internet! Books might be out of date but they are rarely wrong, the facts within are still correct even if they are not up to date - a subtle difference. Signature"You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle of a field full of horny clues at the height of the clue mating season!" " most other people have to abide by their nntp hosts AUP and answer for their own abuse by having to find a new nntp server! " Your's must be VERY lax then ! Talking of lax ...... are you drip fed ex lax Jerry ? “ .... Books might be out of date but they are rarely wrong, the facts within are still correct even if they are not up to date - a subtle difference .... “ WHAT ! Please pay attention Jerry when I am insulting you ! ‘Out or date ’ie ‘Too old to be used, past the point of expiration’ A lot like you Jerry ! I know of some good books you could read Jerry :- ‘101 places to play marbles’ Which includes places like The Expressway centre lane & Pamplona during the bull run. Oh sorry, I forgot, you’ve lost your marbles. ‘10 best minefield walks’ ‘The Billy Goats Gruff’ ....... though I expect you would not like the ending (but the others on this and other groups would ). Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. chris.brett58@o2.co.uk wrote in message: <snip your usual trolling> Nymph shifting again I see Chris, do you have to spend long each day deciding to be "Dragon Heart" or "Chris Bett58", and don't try blaming Google groups... SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. > Nymph shifting again I see Chris, do you have to spend long each day > deciding to be "Dragon Heart" or "Chris Bett58", and don't try blaming > Google groups... Google Groups ....... you bad mouth them & the people use them yet claim never to have used them or are you also a liar as well as a TROLL ? You clearly have NEVER heard of 'user profiles' and 'Internet nicknames' yet you claim to be some sort of expert ..... we all know what you are expert at, being a uneducated, boring, repetitive, foul mouthed, self opinionated, coccydynia TROLL ! :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Have a nice day ! Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. Sorry, mail to Jerry's address goes unread ..... it goes in one ear and out the other ..... nothing to stop it ! The message <00b319cb-e899-4c03-86f3-65b1eaad7f40@b16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> from chris.brett58@o2.co.uk contains these words: > You clearly have NEVER heard of 'user profiles' Sorry to butt in - what is a "user profile", please. If it's a googlegroups thing I probably don't need to know about it, but after 13 years on Usenet I'm beginning to feel left out... SignatureDave, Frodsham http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net >The message ><00b319cb-e899-4c03-86f3-65b1eaad7f40@b16g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >googlegroups thing I probably don't need to know about it, but after 13 >years on Usenet I'm beginning to feel left out... It is a google thing. Even though you're not a google subscriber they have kindly set up a profile for you. They imagine they own the on-line community and much of their searching etc is driven by user ratings - of people who don't even use google. Which is IMO wrong. The message <ta4fs4leiemn22hdunid5iv5gs1kqell2j@4ax.com> from Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> contains these words: > It is a google thing. > Even though you're not a google subscriber they have kindly set up a > profile for you. Thanks. I won't bother searching further, in that case, until such time as I find the need. I suppose one can edit out all the inaccuracies which have built up over the time google has been around. They imagine they own the on-line community and much > of their searching etc is driven by user ratings - of people who don't > even use google. > Which is IMO wrong. It is. I rarely use google for searches - Ixquick is more selective, and allegedly doesn't record your address. Allegedly. [I'm not paranoid, I just *know* they're out to get me.] SignatureDave, Frodsham http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net Sorry Dave .... yes 'user profiles' is sort of a Google Group thing, but many other forums use them, bit of a gimmick I suspect for the 'masses' ! " They imagine they own the on-line community ....... " I fear that's their intention. Yes as much of their searching is driven by user ratings one can end up with pages of Wikipedia results etc. I am surprised Google Users are not called 'Googlies' :-) Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. On Mar 11, 9:49�am, sutartsor...@googlemail.com wrote: > On Mar 7, 2:58�pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > discover the obnoxious responses they might get for making such an > 'earth shattering' mistake as calling a locomotive chimney a funnel? I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately the whole of usenet is infested with geeks who feel it is their right to abuse anyone who does not conform to their "standards". I would not allow any child onto an internet connected computer unsupervised because of this. I often get abuse because I use AOL and Google groups.......oh it cuts me to the quick! :-) George <snip> : I often get abuse because I use AOL and Google groups Quite right too, if you knew anything about AOL, Google groups and the abuse *OF* Usenet you would understand. IME the people who think that they can say and do anything on Usenet are either customers of AOL and/or Google - most other people have to abide by their nntp hosts AUP and answer for their own abuse by having to find a new nntp server! It was a great day when AOL announced that they would be shutting down their nntp servers, it was a bad day when they then suggested that their customers should post to Usenet via Google groups. :~( SignatureWikipedia: the Internet equivalent of Hyde Park and 'speakers corner'... Sorry, mail to this address goes unread. Please reply via group. On Mar 11, 10:59�am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > suggested that their customers should post to Usenet via Google > groups. :~( Q.E.D. On Mar 11, 10:59?am, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > "furnessvale" <furnessv...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > having > to find a new nntp server! : Q.E.D. Indeed, it does explain why so many people who post to Usenet have so little time for either 'AOLers' or 'Google groupies' these days. On Mar 11, 3:54 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: > On Mar 11, 10:59?am, "Jerry" > <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > have so little time for either 'AOLers' or 'Google groupies' > these days. You seem to have plenty of time for us ;-) You spend enough time berating us, why not apply yourself to something more constructive? MBQ On Mar 11, 3:54 pm, "Jerry" <mapson.sca...@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote: <snip> > Indeed, it does explain why so many people who post to Usenet > have so little time for either 'AOLers' or 'Google groupies' > these days. : You seem to have plenty of time for us ;-) : : You spend enough time berating us, why not apply : yourself to something more constructive? The same could be said about you, again you are the pot trying to call the kettle black... Some stuff snipped cos cant be bothered to manually format it so its shown as from an earlier post .... >Maybe the abusive pedants on here are so convinced of their own >unassailable superiority that they dont care, but I wonder how many [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nice one. Few things rile me nowadays, but 2 that come close are political correctness gone mad and people that claim they are offended on behalf of other people that may be offended. Cheers, Simon > Some stuff snipped cos cant be bothered to manually format it so its > shown [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Are we allowed to use the term "political correctness" these days? Regards, Greg.P. >> Some stuff snipped cos cant be bothered to manually format it so its >> shown [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. If using either a 'mixture of all colours' board or a 'no light reflecting' board then issue an apologetic disclaimer in advance. Cheers, Simon >>> Some stuff snipped cos cant be bothered to manually format it so its >>> shown [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Cheers, > Simon I hereby give notice that I intend to take offence on behalf of all red, green and brown individuals and will notify said offence to those yellow people I know who wish to retain their PC standing! >>>> Some stuff snipped cos cant be bothered to manually format it so its >>>> shown [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > said offence to those yellow people I know who wish to retain their PC > standing! Not quite what had in mind. Disclaimer is to apologise before you make a statement that with some imagination could be mis-construed as non PC. For example :- I would like to apologise in advance should the following article contain any words, phrases or implications that since time immorial have been used within a page, article or song at the same time as a word, phrase or comment that may have offended the reader or any person that could think of any way in which any other person or group of persons (especially a minority) may be offended (otherwise known as offended by proxy). There is no requirement to prove an offence has occured and all possibilities including those of a similar frequency to 'when hell freezes over' are accepted. Note this disclaimer should be considered recursive ie self referering or disappearing up its own jacksy should such a position become necessary. Cheers, Simon >Disclaimer is to apologise before you make a >statement that with some imagination could be mis-construed as non PC. Not really. It is to disclaim responsibility for the consequences of your actions words. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken >>>>> Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) >>>> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > wolf k. It helps if you get your facts right. The mother of one of the tots friend - wow, she is perfect. Cheers, Simon >>>>>> Punctuation also helps. None of us are perfect ;-) >>>>> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Since when has getting facts right been a feature of newsgroup posting ;) Chris " It helps if you get your facts right. The mother of one of the tots friend - > wow, she is perfect. " > > Cheers, > Simon- Sorry Simon but Pobodies Nerfect :-) Chris, Bob, Clarence, Toby, Bill, George, Frank .............. errrrrr who am I again ? >" It helps if you get your facts right. The mother of one of the tots > friend - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Chris, Bob, Clarence, Toby, Bill, George, Frank .............. > errrrrr who am I again ? Oh yes she is, in fact she has minor imperfections that make her human and approachable and so perfect. Cheers, Simon > <chris.bret...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oh yes she is, in fact she has minor imperfections that make her human and > approachable and so perfect. May I make a suggestion ? ..... you cut down on your red meat :-) Talking of perfectionism try :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/mind/surveys/perfectionism/ I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure ! Chris It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog. "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" "I don't believe in trolls" On 9 Mar, 22:15, "simon" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > <chris.bret...@o2.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Oh yes she is, in fact she has minor imperfections that make her human and > approachable and so perfect. >May I make a suggestion ? ..... you cut down on your red meat :-) Certainly not, must be ready for mistress right. >Chris "I don't believe in trolls" I believe in Father Christmas Cheers, Simon >>> "simon" <nospam@nospam.com> said >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It was a mark of the uneducated. And then there was none... SignatureMartin S. >"none of us are" = "all of us are not" in common understanding. *Whoosh* Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken > There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of > that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over > many Google groups. But its a newsnet group not a Google one, so there could be thousands of readers. There is no membership as such. Paul <snip> : NNTP accounts ? Network News Transfer Protocol is an application used : mostly for reading & posting 'usernet' articles e.g. Google Groups. <snip the rest of you ignorant cut and paste that has made you look even more clueless> It's a f*cking protocol you idiot, like email is (pop/smtp), or do you also think that email is a web based service?! You really do love showing up just how ignorant you really are. :~( If you want an insight as to what Usenet is Chris take you head out of your trolling arse and look at this page on Wikipeida; <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet> Rather than (by the looks of it) cut and paste from the anally retentive Google company that wants you to use their web to Usenet interface service and thus is making Usenet sound far more complicated than it is. It's not even difficult to find a proper nntp server and newsreader once one understands what Usenet is and isn't (Usenet is actually very simple on the most basic of levels), once you understand message 'headers' - clues, clues and more clues but will Chris eve pick up on them, will he ever find the clue... : I will leave you to make up you own minds about 'Jerry', me & my : comments :-) Yes, I think they can, you are ignorant trolling stain on the group, I know WTF I'm talking about even if I don't suffer fools (like you) gladly... Signature"You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle of a field full of horny clues at the height of the clue mating season!" Maybe I shouldn't touch this with a barge pole, but... > There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of > that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over > many Google groups. This is not a Google Group, it is a Usenet group. Apparently 300 people have registered to read it through Google, but there will be many more readers who do not use Google. I don't know how many, nobody does, there is no way to tell. Of course this makes the reader/contributor ratio even lower, but... > DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY ? No. Do you read newspapers? How often do you write a letter to the editor? Of course you'd expect a higher ratio here, but so what? The "right" ratio is enough people saying things of interest to keep a fair number of people reading (and sometimes responding!). > Not wishing to patronise but some of you may not have the faintest > idea what some of the phrases used in this topic are about :- Patronise? you must be joking. And as for having the faintest idea, this whole thing is a wonderful demonstration of your own ignorance. > NNTP accounts ? Network News Transfer Protocol is an application used > mostly for reading & posting 'usernet' articles e.g. Google Groups. > You are required to download an additional piece of software onto your > PC. It is therefore PC ( desktop ) based not web bases e.g. Google. > Some of these nntp accounts are 'free' to download and use others are > paid for. NNTP is a protocol, as its name says, not an application. 'usernet'? - you might at least try to get the name right! Accounts? - you don't seem to know the difference between the account you have with some provider to allow you to to access newsgroups (free ones exist, but usually have some limitation or other) and the software you do have on your computer to fetch, read, and send messages, which may be paid or free, and which you may already have (Outlook Express for example). > There are a number of advantages using a desktop reader account, one > of which is speed. Again, you don't know the difference between the reader program and the account. I'm not insisting you are wrong about the speed, but I don't even think it's relevant. > Arguably one of the best web based readers is 'Google Reader'. It's > not that Google Reader isn't fast, but its desktop counterparts are > faster. I don't know about you but I have taken up the model railway > hobby for two main reasons, one of which is to wind-down. Do you know another? And if you want to wind down you should give up writing long posts which are at best misleading. > Google groupie ? As you will of guessed this IS patronising, similar > to the comments made in PC vs. MAC arguments. Well, yes it is, but the attitude is common because so many people who post through Google parade their ignorance of the nature of the group, and break long-established conventions for messages and replies because the Google interface makes it easy to do the wrong thing. > RSS ? Really Simple Syndication ...... a group of web based > formats used to publish things like video's, news reports & music. RSS (abbreviation for Really Simple Syndication) is a family of Web feed formats used to publish frequently updated works such as blog entries, news headlines, audio, and video in a standardized format. And that is an acknowledged quote from Wikipedia! > False e-mail address's ? You may have seen the warnings on Google > Groups that your e-mail address will become visible to all. There are > web applications / pages that allow you to create either temporary or > permanent false e-mail address's. Good idea if you are using a 'dial > up' connection as it cuts down on downloaded Spam or you wish to hide > your identity ! Or you can just make up a different one every time (but I don't think Google will let you do that). > Killfile ? Bit like the 'Block Sender' list in Outlook Express. > Anyone who you don't want to read their posting you can put directly > into the 'killfile' just like Spam Internet 'Trolls' normally don't > use one as they need peoples posts to keep their arguments fuelled. Good grief, I can't find anything to say about that one since I don't what to start criticising grammar here. ... comments on other people's posts snipped > Usenet groups have thread / posts that are off-topic, rude, and / or > obnoxious. They may also be cross-posted to other groups as well. > This behaviour is contrary to common practices, it wastes time / > resources, and it is discouraged by recommendations contained in > Internet RFC 1855. (IFC's are the 'Netiquette' rules of the Internet.) Request for Comments, formalized memoranda addressing Internet standards (Wikipedia again). Very few are about netiquette. The majority specify actual technical standards. (I will assume that "IFC" is just a typo.) > Generally these threads are started by or continued by a few people > who only want to start, or can't avoid, an argument, they may be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I will leave you to make up you own minds about 'Jerry', me & my > comments :-) Your response (if any) to this post will probably make up my mind on the subject of whether you are a troll. E. SignatureTrolls are best ignored. > Maybe I shouldn't touch this with a barge pole, but... > E. Chris, Dont bother with this, just continue with your snippets and other contributions. Cheers, Simon : > Maybe I shouldn't touch this with a barge pole, but... : > E. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Dont bother with this, just continue with your snippets and other : contributions. But he did and he well and truly showed Chris (or is it Dragon...) up as the ignorant oaf he is, gawd knows how long Chris must have researched that diatribe for but one thing is sure, how ever long it took all he actually succeeded in doing is sealing his own immortality on Usenet - YAGGW [1]. [1] Yet Another Google Groupie W*nker > : > On 2009-03-05, chris.brett58@o2.co.uk > <chris.brett58@o2.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > [1] Yet Another Google Groupie W*nker Yes well, do you know of a good reference to explain why its says more about the sender than the target when someone tries to show up. Inform is nice. Also could you give a witty statement including the words - transient, Usenet and coherent thought in gordon browns head. Cheers, Simon >> As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may >> shoot me, but I retain the moral high ground". > > Not if you fall over! ;-) > > John. Pearls amongst swine... ;-) cheers, Simon > This is firstly a sincere apology to everyone on the group ( apart > from 'Jerry' ) for way I have been countering all his posts. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in > the dog. Surely a good way to provoke a response from this person? And I see it took the bait so where's the trap I wonder? Chris |
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