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Model Forum / General / Railroads / April 2009Seems a bit excessive...
airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-CAB-LOCO_W0Q QitemZ300307355755QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item300307355 755&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1684%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3 A1318 Cheers, Simon > airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-C... > > Cheers, > Simon All their railway items seem very expensive and they don't seem to sell much if you check their completed listings. guku On Apr 19, 12:33 am, "simon" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-C... > > Cheers, > Simon All their railway items seem very expensive and they don't seem to sell much if you check their completed listings. guku perhaps theyre using the same business method as some amazon marketplace sellers. Out of print book - original publisher price say 12 GBP, someone wanting to sell 10GBP, someone trying it on - anything up to 140GBP. Cheers, Simon > perhaps theyre using the same business method as some amazon marketplace > sellers. Out of print book - original publisher price say 12 GBP, > someone wanting to sell 10GBP, someone trying it on - anything up to > 140GBP. I've seen that, and I don't understand that business model! There's a particular book I'm after, for which maybe £20 - £30 would be reasonable on the second-hand circuit, but on Amazon they start at £240. I can only think they don't actually have the book so they don't want people to buy from that listing, but the seller gets a higher exposure.  SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ > > perhaps theyre using the same business method as some amazon marketplace > > sellers. Out of print book - original publisher price say 12 GBP, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > only think they don't actually have the book so they don't want people > to buy from that listing, but the seller gets a higher exposure. I've found some strange pricing in Oxfam book shops. I found a copy of Landscape Modelling by Barry Norman priced at nearly double the cover price. I was pretty certain I could still get a mint copy at the cover price from at least one retailer or cheaper on Ebay for a second hand copy. I explained this and got it for £2.99, but felt guilty at haggling in Oxfam and put an extra £1 in the collecting tin on the counter. MBQ >> perhaps theyre using the same business method as some amazon marketplace >> sellers. Out of print book - original publisher price say 12 GBP, someone [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > think they don't actually have the book so they don't want people to buy > from that listing, but the seller gets a higher exposure. I'm afraid I suspect its more likely they hope to catch the unwary. Wanted the Art of weathering a few weeks back, there was a copy at reasonable price and one at excessive price (£40). Prevaricated and the lower price one went. Waited a few weeks and another low price one came along - the expensive one was still there. Cheers, Simon > "Paul Boyd" <paul@invalid.net> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the lower price one went. Waited a few weeks and another low price one > came along - the expensive one was still there. Procrastinated, I think you mean. To prevaricate is to be evasive! SignatureMartin S. > > "Paul Boyd" <p...@invalid.net> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Procrastinated, I think you mean. To prevaricate is to be evasive! If SWMBO gets wind of spending £40 on a book, maybe prevaricating is the correct strategy! MBQ On Apr 21, 4:02 am, MartinS <m...@my.place> wrote: > "simon" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote: > > "Paul Boyd" <p...@invalid.net> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Procrastinated, I think you mean. To prevaricate is to be evasive! If SWMBO gets wind of spending £40 on a book, maybe prevaricating is the correct strategy! MBQ youre not kidding, one arrived today (only £10 though), she let me know it had arrived with the comment 'Whats it about this time ?'. Thought she would be interested as its local history (melbourne military railway), but no...back to cash only transactions for a while. Cheers, Simon >I've seen that, and I don't understand that business model! There's a >particular book I'm after, for which maybe £20 - £30 would be reasonable >on the second-hand circuit, but on Amazon they start at £240. I can >only think they don't actually have the book so they don't want people >to buy from that listing, but the seller gets a higher exposure. Make £2 profit on a book selling at a tenner or so, or make £230 profit on the same book. You don't need many mugs. SignaturePaul Matthews paul@cattytown.me.uk http://www.hepcats.co.uk >>I've seen that, and I don't understand that business model! There's a >>particular book I'm after, for which maybe £20 - £30 would be reasonable [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the > same book. You don't need many mugs. Duping people seems a sad way to make a living. Cheers, Simon > "Paul Matthews" <paul@cattytown.me.uk> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Duping people seems a sad way to make a living. There are lots of sad people. Some of them advertise on TV. SignatureMartin S. > There are lots of sad people. Some of them advertise on TV. Many end up in the House of Commons and House of Lords. John. >>> I've seen that, and I don't understand that business model! There's a >>> particular book I'm after, for which maybe £20 - £30 would be reasonable [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Duping people seems a sad way to make a living. And the Americans seem to be dupped the most. I've just picked up a couple of books myself which I'd happily sell on at the prices the American sources on and off Amazon are quoting ;) Even giving insured next day delivery around the world! Which they charge extra for. SignatureLester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php >> "Paul Matthews" <paul@cattytown.me.uk> wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > American sources on and off Amazon are quoting ;) Even giving insured > next day delivery around the world! Which they charge extra for. And do they charge! Americans don't trust their own postal service and insist on sending stuff by exorbitantly-priced courier services. SignatureMartin S. >I've seen that, and I don't understand that business model! There's a >particular book I'm after, for which maybe £20 - £30 would be reasonable >on the second-hand circuit, but on Amazon they start at £240. I can >only think they don't actually have the book so they don't want people >to buy from that listing, but the seller gets a higher exposure. Dunno, I have bought some bargains used from Amazon sellers but like eBay you have to know in advance what you are buying and what it's worth. Which reminds me: I have five volumes of Gunther's Early Science in Oxford, previously owned by Margaret 'Espinasse. I must get them valued for insurance. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/wiki/Railway > Dunno, I have bought some bargains used from Amazon sellers but like > eBay you have to know in advance what you are buying and what it's > worth. Don't get me wrong - I've bought plenty of second-hand books from Amazon sellers at a good price. For books, Amazon is usually my first port of call rather than eBay. It's just that on eBay I haven't come across the ludicrously high-priced second-hand prices (for books) that I've sometimes seen on Amazon. Listing fees may have something to do with it... SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ >> Dunno, I have bought some bargains used from Amazon sellers but like >> eBay you have to know in advance what you are buying and what it's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ludicrously high-priced second-hand prices (for books) that I've sometimes > seen on Amazon. Listing fees may have something to do with it... Same here, have bought a few second hand and new books from Amazon sellers at fair prices. The way over price for the unwary isnt limited to Amazon Market Place or ebay (see john earlier mail on completed listings), just spot the words 'Antiques fayre' and theyll usually be some there. Suspect its dependent on no obvious competition. Cheers, Simon > All their railway items seem very expensive and they don't seem to > sell much if you check their completed listings. LOL - just check out their completed listings now; they seem to have found some customers with more money than sense. John. > airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-CAB-LOCO_W0Q QitemZ300307355755QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item300307355 755&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1684%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3 A1318 > > Cheers, > Simon Hey, I've got a pair of weathered and renumbered Airfix's for sale You can have the pair for Cartmel's price! I wouldn't pay thatr much even for a well built Wills kit, never mind a tender drive version. I expected prices to shade a bit as this recession bites, but clearly this news hasn't reached the outer fringes of our galaxy. Ebay does seem to bring out the worst in some sellers (and buyers too) with optimistic pricing followed by idiotic bidding. Alistair > airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-C... > > Cheers, > Simon Have a look at N gauge prices and wince! Regards Peter > airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIRFIX-No-54123-FOWLER-4F-FOWLER-0-6-0-TENDER-CAB-LOCO_W0Q QitemZ300307355755QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item300307355 755&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1684%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3 A1318 Non-standard, modified item, so it's worth what someone's prepared to pay for it. Personally I wouldn't give the seller £40 for it, but there you go. John. >> airfix 4F code3 for £120 or am I misunderstanding something ? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. Yes agree thats its value but found it difficult to see why it could be so high. Wonder if there are any other hobbies where someone takes a standard item, modifies it so its slightly different - although not better as in eg performance - and adds significantly to the price. I know TMC do it and most of their changes may be considered useful, but renumber a 4F ? arent there people that will do such a change for lot less cost ? cheers, Simon > Yes agree thats its value but found it difficult to see why it could be so > high. Maybe wishful thinking? > Wonder if there are any other hobbies where someone takes a standard item, > modifies it so its slightly different - although not better as in eg > performance - and adds significantly to the price. I know TMC do it and > most of their changes may be considered useful, but renumber a 4F ? arent > there people that will do such a change for lot less cost ? I've sold extremely well-modified items for significantly more than the non-modified 'new price', but this 4F looks to be nothing more than a quick job, and is probably worth little more than the unmodified loco. Someone will probably prove me wrong though. A mint/boxed unmodified Airfix 4F is probably worth around £30-35. John. > A mint/boxed unmodified Airfix 4F is probably worth around £30-35. > > John. Thats good to know, I bought a tatty box one for £22 to convert to loco drive - seemed better value than taking a good Hornby version - esp as using an updated Bachmann tender. cheers, Simon |
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