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Model Forum / General / Railroads / November 2009Heljan plans for 2010 onwards
Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: 4mm OO-SCALE 4-wheel railbuses (due 2010/11) Waggon & Maschinen 4-wheel railbus (E79960-4) Wickham 4-wheel railbus (SC79965-9) Park Royal 4-wheel railbus (M79970-4) AC Cars 4-wheel railbus (W79975-9) Class 52 (in very small 2010 production runs) D1000 Western Enterprise (desert sand) D1001 Western Pathfinder (maroon) D1012 Western Firebrand (maroon) D1023 Western Fusilier (blue) Class 23 'Baby Deltic' (4-character headcode model in blue & green - late 2010). B&RCW 'Lion' prototype (2011 release). 7mm O-SCALE (2010/11) Class 55 'Deltic' in post-1967 condition green & blue liveries Regards,, John Turner, 53A Models, Hull. > Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / > under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Park Royal 4-wheel railbus (M79970-4) > AC Cars 4-wheel railbus (W79975-9) Brilliant idea, I'm surprised no-one else has thought of it before to be honest. I suspect that the basic mechanism for all 4 can be similar and would suit a lot of green period modellers as a branch line on a larger layout, or a small layout or even diorama. Plus being small, I suspect they are likely to be on the affordable side compared to other options, especially at the moment. > Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / under > development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Class 55 'Deltic' in post-1967 condition green & blue liveries I knew about the Deltics and the Lion, but not about the railbuses! Do they all have the same wheelbase I wonder as it seems strange that they are making four different types? I guess Heljan have now decided that they are going to concentrate on obscure prototypes that the big boys are unlikely to produce. Fred X > I knew about the Deltics and the Lion, but not about the railbuses! > Do they all have the same wheelbase I wonder as it seems strange that > they are making four different types? The railbuses would probably only need one axle drive, so it would be a relatively simple matter to vary the wheelsbase if they are/were different. John. > Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / > under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Park Royal 4-wheel railbus (M79970-4) > AC Cars 4-wheel railbus (W79975-9) This is vindictive actions by a big company ! I've only recently got the Airfix 4-wheeled railbus running to my satisfaction, spent a fortune on DCC decoder for it, etc.. And someone is going to have a much better detailed one out of a box ! - Nigel  SignatureNigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ >> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >decoder for it, etc.. And someone is going to have a much better detailed >one out of a box ! I built the Airfix one but didn't motorise it. The only ones I saw and rode in are the German ones on the Worth Valley. They were an order of magnitude better than the Pacers. But what I did ride in as a boy, were the horrible BUT 4-wheeled units on the Wealdstone-Belmont shuttle. >- Nigel > I built the Airfix one but didn't motorise it. The only ones I saw and > rode in are the German ones on the Worth Valley. They were an order of > magnitude better than the Pacers. The Worth Valley is, I believe, limited to 25mph. I'm sure they'd be pretty rough at Pacer speeds, e.g. on the 11-mile stretch between Shipley and Leeds. I can remember in the early days of DMUs riding at the rear of a lightly-loaded one doing 75mph on the Hull-Leeds run. Bouncy? Bouncy! SignatureMartin S. >> I built the Airfix one but didn't motorise it. The only ones I saw and >> rode in are the German ones on the Worth Valley. They were an order of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and Leeds. I can remember in the early days of DMUs riding at the rear of > a lightly-loaded one doing 75mph on the Hull-Leeds run. Bouncy? Bouncy! I used to travel from Leeds to Keighley regularly around the time the 142s and 144s were introduced. I always thought they rode quite well at speed on decently maintained track, the worst places being the junctions outside Leeds and a particularly rough spot in the tunnel just before Shipley. I also thought that the 144s felt more train than bus whilst the 142s were the other way round, can't really explain why. Beyond Skipton towards Carnforth, however, the ride could be 'lively' to say the least! ROB >>> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >>> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I built the Airfix one but didn't motorise it. The only ones I saw and > rode in are the German ones on the Worth Valley. Motorising the Airfix for me has been an exercise in cost explosions. It resembles a government computer project ! Railbus, cost at most £3. Motorising kit and interior kit (Branchlines), probable cost circa £35, bought those bits ages ago. DCC chips (Lenz Gold and PM1 power module) £70. My £3 Airfix kit has come in at about £110. But it does run well and the PM1 guarantees it doesn't stall which is necessary for a four wheeled vehicle running an automatic shuttle service. Prototype anecdotes: I think at preserved line speeds they ride quite well, but that's ~25mph. I don't think they will ride so well at 50mph. When a teenager I occaisionally travelled to the railway at Sherringham, Norfolk, for working parties. One year a Keighley driver was there to drive the N.Norfolk's service railbus(*). Unfortunately, he forgot the line rule about not stopping this particular railbus' engine at lunchtime as the battery charging from the engine was suspect. My job for the rest of the day was supervising several hundred feet of extension cable and a hefty battery charger. Initially enough to get to the railbus to start it, then at station stops a bit more charge to help the gearbox along. I think it had most of the gears back by the end of the afternoon. Thinking back, I wonder if the intermediate charges had much effect on the battery compared to charging off the engine, but it was obviously needed for the initial starting. It made a welcome change from painting wagon solebars or shovelling ballast ! (* the NN had two at the time, one in normal service, and the other exquisitly restored and only used with very trusted passengers). - Nigel SignatureNigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ >> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > fortune on DCC decoder for it, etc.. And someone is going to have a > much better detailed one out of a box ! LOL! It's always the way! I'd just built up my fleet of tender-drive Hornby locos and associated rolling stock in the 1990s when the new superdetailed models were announced. I've had an Airfix/Dapol railbus kit for years but have never assembled it. Motorising kits are (or used to be) available. SignatureMartin S. >>> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >>> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I've had an Airfix/Dapol railbus kit for years but have never assembled > it. Motorising kits are (or used to be) available. I cant help buying 4F's despite it being the most likely to be upgraded soon. Latest was an almost completed Wills kit for GBP25, but as its got Romford wheels tis worth that for them alone. Cheers, Simon >>> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >>> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > LOL! It's always the way! I've just had an idea... I'm going to find a Heljan loco box and put the Airfix one in that. Watch the collectors scream at me to sell the "pre-release" example :-) - Nigel SignatureNigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ <snip> : I've just had an idea... : I'm going to find a Heljan loco box and put the Airfix one in that. Watch : the collectors scream at me to sell the "pre-release" example :-) What, and have Pete Water(works)man accuse Heljan of intellectual property theft?!... >> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > fortune on DCC decoder for it, etc.. And someone is going to have a > much better detailed one out of a box ! In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y engines over the next 12 months? :-) SignatureAll the best, Chris > In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y engines > over the next 12 months? :-) Or even better, some former North Eastern prototypes please. John. >> In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y engines >> over the next 12 months? :-) > > Or even better, some former North Eastern prototypes please. > > John. Midland or LNWR pre-group over here... Cheers, Simon >>> In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y engines >>> over the next 12 months? :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Midland or LNWR pre-group over here... What's missing - for pretty well every railway - is the ubiquitous 0-6-0 tender engine (the GW is, IIRC, the only one to be reasonably covered, with the - rather elderly- Dean Goods from Hornby: the likes of 4Fs, Q1s and J39s being rather large - and late - to really cut it). So, as a starter? NER: C/C1 (J21) - they don't get more ubiquitous than those things.. L&NW: Coal engine or Cauliflower (Special DX proably too much to ask.. ;) Midland: Kirtley, though a Johnson engine would probably be easier to model.. L&SW: Adams 700 (that would make the western-section SR entirely modellable with RTR only, something that no pre-nationalisation railway is at present..[1]) other examples will no doubt occur (Highland / Caledonian Jumbos, for example..), but those would serve. There are any numbr of NER lines you could quite happily run with nothing but Cs.. [1] Well, you'd need to find a green N class mogul: Bachmann don't seem to do 'em in anything other than BR black now. Why? SignatureAndy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair) >>>> In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y >>>> engines [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > [1] Well, you'd need to find a green N class mogul: Bachmann don't seem to > do 'em in anything other than BR black now. Why? Not the Cauliflower already done a GEM one - tis nice though, one of my favourites. Coal and Johnson engines ok as only done tanks so far. Understand about 4F's but might be safer if they worked back from say 1930's so that periods could be modelled by the addition of a few engines rather than requiring a complete set. Cheers, Simon >>> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >>> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y > engines over the next 12 months? :-) I've a L&Y battery electric finished apart from the lining (daunting prospect, probably going to learn print-your-own decals for this job) and lettering. Its from the High Level kit, with various electronic gizmos added. I think those are sufficiently obscure to be safe ! - Nigel SignatureNigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ > I've a L&Y battery electric finished apart from the lining (daunting > prospect, probably going to learn print-your-own decals for this job) and > lettering. Its from the High Level kit, with various electronic gizmos > added. I think those are sufficiently obscure to be safe ! Ditto, without the electronic gizmos. I didn't spring this one though... Printing your own decals is a hobby in itself. Well, it is with an Alps printer like what I've got. <smug mode off> I never got on with inkjet decals. Actually, with a decent bow pen lining with that is far more satisfying. I was lucky enough to get a second hand Kern bowpen off eBay, and the difference in using that compared to the sort of bowpen you get in the typical compass sets from WH Smith is incredible. With just a little practise I was able to get three distinct lines within a millimetre - that's about 0.2mm line with 0.2mm gap between them. I can't get that on the Alps! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> I've a L&Y battery electric finished apart from the lining (daunting >> prospect, probably going to learn print-your-own decals for this job) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > distinct lines within a millimetre - that's about 0.2mm line with > 0.2mm gap between them. I can't get that on the Alps! Unfortunately the ALPS is old technology, but supposedly prints 600dpi. http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/printers/1711/alps-md-1000 Date reviewed: 1 October 1997. SignatureMartin S. > Unfortunately the ALPS is old technology, but supposedly prints 600dpi. It is old technology, but there is still a thriving user base. There are still people using these for commercial purposes, including at least a couple producing model railway decals. The wise have a spare stock of printers and a healthy stock of ribbons to go with them. I have a "new" MD-1000 in the garage as my spare, with an MD-1300 sitting about 1 foot from my left hand as I type. I felt compelled to try printing my own decals after being ripped off by a decal maker in North Wales. It's shame the Alps printers are obsolete, but the inkjet market overtook them and they just couldn't keep up. The photo printing quality is bloody awful! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ > > Unfortunately the ALPS is old technology, but supposedly prints 600dpi. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- > Paul Boydhttp://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ Paul will know this but, for the benefit of the group, be aware that you can still (just) purchase Alps printers - see http://www.alps-supplies.com/ My own transfer range - http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm - are printed on an Alps MD1000. (I do have several spare printers in stock)! Regards, John Isherwood. >>> Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / >>> under development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > In which case is there any chance you can scratch build some L&Y engines > over the next 12 months? :-) Which ones do you want? I'm working away at an L&Y Radial 2-4-2t at the moment, preparing a drawing to build from. Following that, I'd like to do a High-Flyer and a goods loco. Having previously built European and New Zealand models, I'm realizing I don't know some things about British locos that are probably breed into British modellers - an off the top of my head example might be how thick the vertical lamp irons should be. I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to spot the mistakes. Loco will be milled brass, so I could offer a set of parts at cost price in exchange. Regards, Greg.P. NZ > I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to spot > the mistakes. I assume there's an L&Y Yahoo email list, but failing that you could try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg/ There are some extremely knowledgeable members on there. John. >> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > There are some extremely knowledgeable members on there. There's also the L&Y society - which I keep meaning to join myself. Oh and like Greg I'm also toying with the idea of building the iconic L&Y 2-4-2T. SignatureAll the best, Chris >>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > like Greg I'm also toying with the idea of building the iconic L&Y > 2-4-2T. I've received a lot of info from the L&Y society - I'd suggest it would be worth joining - but how many societies can one join??? Greg.P. NZ >>>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Greg.P. > NZ There are a few societies that sometimes think would benefit from membership, but think its very important that I should be able to contribute as well as recieve info. Dont feel ready to contribute to some of better ones (eg LMS) so not joined. Trouble with one or 2 others (esp professional) is there seems to be a core membership who are really into it and the others just making up the numbers (and paying fees). Nothing here is meant as critisizing any societies, just criteria I use to decide if wish to join. cheers, Simon >>>>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>>>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > cheers, > Simon Hi Simon, I'm mostly German HO, followed by New Zealand Railways G gauge and am just building an L&Y loco because I want one (or more) I have sub-collections of Maerklin and Trix Twin/Trix Express. I can't join every relevant society. Regards, Greg.P. SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>>>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>>>>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. Wouldnt mind the odd L&Y myself but as interested in LMS - LNWR and Midland there are so many kits and so little time (only 24 hours in a day :-)). Looks like got to get job in london so with commuting present phase of kit building may be curtailed although could do some fettling on the train ! Been a good run though, got quite a few done and learnt lots ! Saw some Maerklin from early 60's the other day that had been in someones loft for many years. Now understand just how good theyre models were at that time - fascinating. Cheers, Simon >Wouldnt mind the odd L&Y myself but as interested in LMS - LNWR and >Midland there are so many kits and so little time (only 24 hours in a >day :-)). Looks like got to get job in london so with commuting present >phase of kit building may be curtailed although could do some fettling >on the train ! Not on any of the London commuter trains I have been on! Unless you travel very much off-peak, you are lucky to get a seat. David SignatureDavid Littlewood >>Wouldnt mind the odd L&Y myself but as interested in LMS - LNWR and >>Midland there are so many kits and so little time (only 24 hours in a day [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > David Even Inter-city trains, Nuneaton - Euston ? Just visited Nuneaton station for first time in 8 years, what the heck is the new bit for - not a straight line in the structures, was that intentional. Cheers, Simon >>>>>>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>>>>>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Make yourself a "travelling workbench" needs only to be long enough to carry a 150mm rule, 2-3 files, a craft knife, pinvice, a few drill bits etc and a few film cannisters for small components. Ohh, an engineers square. The box needs a top that can be cut on (plywood with one of those green uncutable surfaces glued on with contact cement. A small rigid chocolate box for your models and some photocopies of plans/articles. When it's boiled down you really don't need much to do 95% of your modelling :-) Greg.P. >>>>>>>> I could do with having an L&Y modeller to bounce my drawings off to >>>>>>>> spot the mistakes. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Greg.P. Nice idea, plant to do some of fiddly, time consuming, none critical jobs like making loco steps out of brass. Make mess then can start again. Succeed and its a bonus. Cheers, Simon > There are a few societies that sometimes think would benefit from > membership, but think its very important that I should be able to > contribute as well as recieve info. Dont feel ready to contribute to some > of better ones (eg LMS) so not joined. But you can join their email list (free of any charge) without being a member of the society! Contribution to same is a voluntary thing. I don't consider myself terribly knowledgeable about the history of the LMS, but I have learned a lot from the members' exchange of emails and contributed in a small way. John. >> There are a few societies that sometimes think would benefit from >> membership, but think its very important that I should be able to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John. Thanks for that John, will re-visit. Cheers, Simon >> There are a few societies that sometimes think would benefit from >> membership, but think its very important that I should be able to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John. The other problem with not joining societies because you don't feel knowledgeable enough to contribute is the risk of noone for the group to pass knowledge onto and therefore the risk of such knowledge dying with the members of the group. Whilst it's dangerous to assume, I would speculate based on model railway groups I've seen or been involved with is that the majority of such groups tend to be older members. I would also suspect the knowledgeable chaps in groups specialising in pre grouping or even grouping would be people who were closer to the time specialised in than most of the rest of us. Whilst the web has made it easier to share and publish knowledge cheaply for posterity, most people of all age groups seem unaware of how easy it really is and get scared off. Given how difficult it is to publish on paper, the best way of ensuring continuance of knowledge is word of mouth - to people willing to soak up as much info as possible. Even better if it's someone who can then publish the knowledge for everyone's benefit! Seriously, if you're interested in the area, then I would strongly suggest letting your lack of knowledge be a strength to the group in being willing to learn as much of your chosen interest as possible and willing to pass on. Best of luck! > Dont feel ready to contribute to some of better ones (eg LMS) so not > joined. Err, you don't 'join' the LMS Society I'm afraid - you wait till you are 'invited'. This only happens if you have a contribution to make to the research and modelling activities. The LMSS realised on day one that there were too many people who just want to take what they can get and put nothing in but their subs so we made it a 'closed' society to that group. On the other hand if you have a genuine contribution to make to the recording and modelling of the LMS (doing research, writing articles, books, producing kits etc) you will be welcomed into the group. At the moment we have about 50+ members and it looks like staying around that number. We justify this behaviour by giving out information and advice to any outsiders who ask questions or need to see drawings, photographs, etc. We have a website which gives details of our services. Members have published hundreds of books and thousands of articles in the 46 year history of the LMS Society. We meet as a society twice a year in LMS locations usually for a weekend of talks and data exchange. Alistair Wright LMS Soc Coaching stock archivist >> Dont feel ready to contribute to some of better ones (eg LMS) so not >> joined. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Alistair Wright > LMS Soc Coaching stock archivist This is exactly how it should be in the others I described, like it. One day may qualify, who knows. If they dont let me in then will start my own :-) But I do support the society by buying the journal - absolutely wonderful publication. Cheers, Simon ">> > This is exactly how it should be in the others I described, like it. One > day may qualify, who knows. If they dont let me in then will start my own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Well I doubt any of the other outfits can, or would, operate like the LMSS. BTW you can 'ask' to join and if you do you will be invited to make your case, and if it's good enough, get a chance to attend a meeting where you will be 'looked at' by the members. Sounds a bit elitist (what's wrong with that?) but it keeps the Society at the forefront of railway societies. That's how I joined. Only one person has ever been black-balled and he was a known notorious troublemaker in the S4 Society. Glad you like the Journal - it makes my point - all these guys are 'contributors' to the hobby not passive collectors of magazines and box emptiers. Maybe see you sometime, Alistair > ">> >> This is exactly how it should be in the others I described, like it. One [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Alistair Thanks, absolutely nothing wrong with the apparent elitist slant or the aims of the group. Maybe one day in many years time might be ready to consider. In the meantime will continue to obtain and make use of the output. Cheers, Simon > Thanks, absolutely nothing wrong with the apparent elitist slant... Yet this is the very thing that many of the finescale societies are accused of, where it is deemed to be A Bad Thing. Double standards, methinks. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> Thanks, absolutely nothing wrong with the apparent elitist slant... > > Yet this is the very thing that many of the finescale societies are > accused of, where it is deemed to be A Bad Thing. > > Double standards, methinks. Can understand why that seems so but it isnt the same. Difficult to explain, but heres a start on my opinion. They dont give the impression that they are doing something that makes them better than anyone else. They are happy to share the end result of their researches with anyone else. Anyone who is willing able to put in the same effort is wellcome. The numbers are kept low so that they dont get swamped. They are open and honest about these aims. Cheers, Simon : >> Thanks, absolutely nothing wrong with the apparent elitist slant... : > : > Yet this is the very thing that many of the finescale societies are : > accused of, where it is deemed to be A Bad Thing. : > : > Double standards, methinks. Chalk and cheese more like... : Can understand why that seems so but it isnt the same. Difficult to explain, : but heres a start on my opinion. They dont give the impression that they are : doing something that makes them better than anyone else. They are happy to : share the end result of their researches with anyone else. Anyone who is : willing able to put in the same effort is wellcome. The numbers are kept low : so that they dont get swamped. They are open and honest about these aims. Indeed, the LMSS is a society that (at least originally) was set up to **Promote the LMS** (in the face of overwhelming support of all things Swindon and the west country) - someone more interested in the GWR would not have been very welcome, in a similar vain, the EM and P4 societies were set up to **promote fine scale modelling** - someone more interested in clipping together Triang 'Super4' track on the carpet and playing trains with stock using road-roller style wheels and ploughs for flanges would not have been made very welcome either. any of the above societies need to be 'elitist', if they were not they could soon become swamped and diluted in their aims, it could also be said that both the Triang and the Hornby(-Duble0) societies are elitist in their own ways too... > They dont give the impression > that they are doing something that makes them better than anyone else. > They are happy to share the end result of their researches with anyone > else. Anyone who is willing able to put in the same effort is wellcome. That sums up most S4 Society and EMGS members, except that you don't need to put in the same effort as others to be welcome! Most of us are more than willing to show others how to do things and share research - that's what it's all about! I think in the past there were people who just liked to show off rather than educate and pass on skills, but those days have long gone. Perhaps the stigma has remained. To take Jerry's point, would the LMSS really make a GWR enthusiast unwelcome? What about someone who wants to learn more about the LMS? It sounds like you need to know enough to contribute before you're allowed to even join. That can't be right, surely? The societies I mentioned above would be more than welcoming to someone who just wanted to clip Super-4 track together, or even OO modellers :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ : > They dont give the impression : > that they are doing something that makes them better than anyone else. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : more than willing to show others how to do things and share research - : that's what it's all about! Not all, I well remember talking to a EMGS member who I had been directed towards (at a EXPO EM meeting), with the suggestion that he would be more than welcome to share his research (reasonable expenses paid, postage etc, and all that) on a specific station, only to be told by him that he would never share his research because he might one day want to exhibit his layout - sorry to say that I walked away muttering things that perhaps I should not have, but it did leave a bitter taste in the mouth, I went on to join the P4 society rather than renew my subs - and no I did not join the EMGS to be a 'research leach'... I think in the past there were people who : just liked to show off rather than educate and pass on skills, but those : days have long gone. Perhaps the stigma has remained. Hmm, perhaps I was just unlucky! : To take Jerry's point, would the LMSS really make a GWR enthusiast : unwelcome? What about someone who wants to learn more about the LMS? I did say *more interested*, obviously if someone was as (or becoming) interested in the LMS as the GWR I'm sure that they would be more than welcome, especially if the person already had a proven ability to contribute - how ever that might be. : It sounds like you need to know enough to contribute before you're : allowed to even join. That can't be right, surely? Why, if that is what the society is about?! The societies I : mentioned above would be more than welcoming to someone who just wanted : to clip Super-4 track together, or even OO modellers :-) But not if they then tried to steer the society in a different direction, which by definition they would do if they started to become the majority within a *specialist* society, obviously there are more general societies that one could become members of (such as "The Model Railway Club" or the HMRS etc.) were one would add to the scope of the society regardless of interests. >> They dont give the impression that they are doing something that makes >> them better than anyone else. They are happy to share the end result of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > would be more than welcoming to someone who just wanted to clip Super-4 > track together, or even OO modellers :-) But they publish journals that are the output from their research and available to anyone that wishes to buy them. They are no different to any professional society who requires a minimum education standard or experience. Cheers, Simon I am Wondering if Heljan will have pre production samples at the NEC in Birmingham this weekend, and also what Dapol, Hornby, and Bachmann will bring, any ideas anyone ? Simon G > Heljan have just announced that the following items are planned / under > development with delivery scheduled from 2010 onwards: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Regards,, > John Turner, >I am Wondering if Heljan will have pre production samples at the NEC in >Birmingham this weekend, and also what Dapol, Hornby, and Bachmann will >bring, any ideas anyone ? Ah! I can help with Bachmann new releases. This week we've received totally new models as follows: 31-425 4-CEP BR(SR) EMU in plain green livery and 31-975 BR Standard 3MT 2-6-2T 82029 (black/early crest) John. > "simon g" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > John. Oh great a 4-CEP... according to recent BBC website photos they can be found anywhere on the british railway system and in many foreign countries. (:-)) David >> >I am Wondering if Heljan will have pre production samples at the NEC in >> >Birmingham this weekend, and also what Dapol, Hornby, and Bachmann will [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > found anywhere on the british railway system and in many foreign > countries. AKA North Of Watford. :) Fred X >> "simon g" wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > David And in operating theatres world wide ;-) Cheers Richard SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb The message <iKOdnaxAdMYGN5fWnZ2dnUVZ8h2dnZ2d@bt.com> from beamends <sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk> contains these words: > > Oh great a 4-CEP... according to recent BBC website photos they can be > > found anywhere on the british railway system and in many foreign > > countries. > And in operating theatres world wide ;-) But only in pairs. SignatureDave, Frodsham http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net >>> "simon g" wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > And in operating theatres world wide ;-) That wouldn't leave much space for the anaethetist, nor the equipment trolley! >> "simon g" wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > (:-)) What does the BBC know? And why is it on a BBC website anyway? SignatureMartin S. > "chorley...@hotmail.com" <chorley...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "simon g" wrote [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I assume the comment was alluding to the fact that the BBC website tends to use a stock photo of a 1st gen 3rd. rail electric to illustrate any rail related news story worldwide ;-) |
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