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James Goode - 29 Nov 2009 12:23 GMT
I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
possible some kitchen-drawer-type runners.  Does anyone have experience
building traversers, and do you think this will be possible?
Christopher A. Lee - 29 Nov 2009 19:39 GMT
>I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
>area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
>possible some kitchen-drawer-type runners.  Does anyone have experience
>building traversers, and do you think this will be possible?

Too complicated.

Unless you need to enter and exit at both ends, a sector plate is much
simpler. It only needs a single pivot point and can be aliged simply
enough by hand.

Use a bathroom door bolt to lock it into position and power one rail
through that, Power the other rail with piece of attached lamp flex.
Graham Thurlwell - 29 Nov 2009 22:21 GMT
>>I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
>>area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
>>possible some kitchen-drawer-type runners.  Does anyone have experience
>>building traversers, and do you think this will be possible?

> Too complicated.

Not really. OK, motorising it and getting it to stop in the right
place is probably non-trivial, but for a hand-powered one a properly
constructed traverser is a delight to use.

> Unless you need to enter and exit at both ends, a sector plate is much
> simpler. It only needs a single pivot point and can be aliged simply
> enough by hand.

There is a lot to be said for sector plates, but it seems that for
ones over a certain number a lot of thought and possibly maths needs
to go into getting the curves right.

> Use a bathroom door bolt to lock it into position and power one rail
> through that, Power the other rail with piece of attached lamp flex.

I've seen quite a few fiddle yards that do that, even ones that have
traversers instead of sector plates, and it does seem to be a very
reliable system.

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Christopher A. Lee - 29 Nov 2009 23:12 GMT
>>>I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
>>>area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
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>ones over a certain number a lot of thought and possibly maths needs
>to go into getting the curves right.

Not really. Just a pencil on the end of a long piece of string with a
panel pin on the other end. Just lay the tracks so they line up with
the incoming track and curve them so they finish up parallel.

>> Use a bathroom door bolt to lock it into position and power one rail
>> through that, Power the other rail with piece of attached lamp flex.
>
>I've seen quite a few fiddle yards that do that, even ones that have
>traversers instead of sector plates, and it does seem to be a very
>reliable system.

If you do that you don't need an indexing system which you do if it's
mechanised.

Many years ago Mike Sharman had an exhibition layout called Bogsworth
Junction, that was railway archaeology, with standard and broad gauge
locomotives from the 1840s and 1840s,

When he operated the turntable he used the train controller. lining it
up by eye. But this isn't an option with the drive from a scanner.
invalid - 30 Nov 2009 09:27 GMT
> Not really. OK, motorising it and getting it to stop in the right
> place is probably non-trivial,

Trivialish with a stepper motor. Electronic controllers tend to
have Run and Jog modes to get them SBO.
manatbandq@hotmail.com - 30 Nov 2009 13:32 GMT
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:23:56 +0000 (UTC), James Goode
>
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>
> Too complicated.

Rubbish! Gordon Hopkins of MERG did exactly that on one of his
layouts. He used to have a website for his RPC kits but I can't find
it now.

MBQ
Alan Campbell - 29 Nov 2009 20:33 GMT
> I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
> area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
> possible some kitchen-drawer-type runners.  Does anyone have experience
> building traversers, and do you think this will be possible?

Not only possible, someone has already done it. Take a look at this
thread on RMWeb
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/1207-cramdin-yard/page__st__25

Alan
Jerry - 29 Nov 2009 21:38 GMT
: > I've been thinking about building a traverser to go with a small scenic
: > area.  I can get hold of an old flatbed scanner to motorise it, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
: Not only possible, someone has already done it. Take a look at this
: thread on RMWeb

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/1207-cramdin-yard/page__st__25

Of course, if you have the money to throw at it (and assuming
that this is going to be part of the modelled area and not just
the 'fiddle yard'...  :~)

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=HN89021&style=&strType=&Mcode=H
eljan%2089021

James Goode - 30 Nov 2009 22:33 GMT
My first post was unclear; I want the traverser to act as part of a small
fiddle yard.  It will probably have two or three tracks, long enough for
a locomotive and a few wagons or a two-car DMU.  And I'm trying to keep
costs down, to leave money for the locomotives.
Jerry - 30 Nov 2009 22:52 GMT
: My first post was unclear; I want the traverser to act as part of a small
: fiddle yard.  It will probably have two or three tracks, long enough for
: a locomotive and a few wagons or a two-car DMU.  And I'm trying to keep
: costs down, to leave money for the locomotives.

If you are using a baseboard width of 12 inches or more I would
also think in terms of the selector plate suggested by Chris, far
simpler and if there is clearance (diameter of the selector
table) allows whole trains to be turned.
James Goode - 30 Nov 2009 22:22 GMT
I took the scanner apart today, and set up a wood & metal framework for
the 'table' to move along.  I think I'll need to buy an IC to convert low-
power signals from a microcontroller to high-power signals for the
stepper motor.  I found a guide here: http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/
StepperUnipolar which uses the same IC as the one on the scanner's
controller PCB.
 
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