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Model Forum / General / Railroads / December 2009Merry Christmas All
As the subject really, Merry Christmas to all, have a good one. Or for those of the same persuasion as me - Bah! Humbug! Cheers Richard  SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb > As the subject really, Merry Christmas to all, have a good one. Are you actually allowed to say that in this PC (politically corrupt, sorry correct) era? John. >> As the subject really, Merry Christmas to all, have a good one. > > Are you actually allowed to say that in this PC (politically corrupt, > sorry correct) era? > > John. Hmmmm. Good point. I'll probably have Men In Black banging on the door rather than Santa (blocked chimney) at 3.00 am - followed by a tax demand. Cheers Richard SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb : > As the subject really, Merry Christmas to all, have a good one. : : Are you actually allowed to say that in this PC (politically corrupt, sorry : correct) era? I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, "Seasons Greetings" covers all bases... So I'll wish everyone Seasons Greetings! > I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, "Seasons > Greetings" covers all bases... So does "Have a wonderful winter solstice." :-) But I prefer the OPs Bah Humbug! SignatureIntelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw >> I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, "Seasons >> Greetings" covers all bases... > > So does "Have a wonderful winter solstice." :-) > > But I prefer the OPs Bah Humbug! Forget the b*ll*x, I'm saying Merry Christmas. However for others of more sensitive disposition, apologies to Dave Allen, but how about 'May your Santa go with you' Cheers, Simon >>> I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, "Seasons >>> Greetings" covers all bases... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Just so long as Death isn't standing in again ;-) Cheers Richard SignatureI have become...............comfortably numb The message <MsWdnboWE8_npq7WnZ2dnUVZ8vNi4p2d@bt.com> from beamends <sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk> contains these words: > how about 'May > > your Santa go with you' > Just so long as Death isn't standing in again ;-) NOT THIS TIME! HOGFATHER'S BACK SO I'M HAVING SOME TIME OFF. MERRY CHRISTMAS Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone, whether it's PC or not! Well, it's about time to light the barbi and start carol singing. Greg.P. New Zealand. SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone, whether it's PC or > not! Well, it's about time to light the barbi and start carol singing. > > Greg.P. > New Zealand. And I agree.. it's about wishing the best for people, regardless.. So happy Xmas and a Merry New Year to all.. I'm off travelling to the homeland, where Greg lives.. Be safe and hopefully no unintended sparks for any of you.. SignatureStevo (pull the PIN to reply by e-mail) >> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone, whether it's PC or >> not! Well, it's about time to light the barbi and start carol singing. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Be safe and hopefully no unintended sparks for any of you.. It's 25 degrees+ here (Celsius for those of you still using old money) Ate too much for lunch, <sigh> still have to make it through the evening meal. Greg.P. > I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, > "Seasons Greetings" covers all bases... You play safe? LOL! > So I'll wish everyone Seasons Greetings! I don't give a naff - hope you ALL have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a very PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR, and if saying that offends, tough cookie! John. >> I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, >> "Seasons Greetings" covers all bases... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John. Thankyou. And a merry Christmas to you too. And to all and sundry (the latter being those who are reading this for the second, third, ... time). As for the offended, I have merely wished you a good day, using a well-known reference rather than the actual date. What's wrong with that? Eric > Thankyou. And a merry Christmas to you too. And to all and sundry (the > latter being those who are reading this for the second, third, ... > time). > > As for the offended, I have merely wished you a good day, using a > well-known reference rather than the actual date. What's wrong with that? And a Merry Christmas to all, and if that offends then tough - after all this is a UK newsgroup....... Badger. > "Eric" <eric@deptj.eu> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And a Merry Christmas to all, and if that offends then tough - after > all this is a UK newsgroup....... No offence in Canada, USA, Oz, NZ, etc... SignatureMartin S. <snip> : As for the offended, I have merely wished you a good day, using a : well-known reference rather than the actual date. What's wrong with that? Err, it's not the date, but the event... >> I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, >> "Seasons Greetings" covers all bases... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I don't give a naff - hope you ALL have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a very > PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR, and if saying that offends, tough cookie! We don't care about offending Jerry. He is an equal-opportunity offender. MERRY CHRISTMAS! SignatureMartin S. : >> I always play safe, having friends of many faiths and none, : >> "Seasons Greetings" covers all bases... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : : We don't care about offending Jerry. You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, if not World. Once again "MartinS" you prove that you are the one with little if anything 'upstairs' (in the Birdcage). :~( > You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, Got some fish & chips from our local Paki chippie last night, and without thinking as I left I said: "Merry Christmas". The proprietor just replied: "Merry Christmas to you too". Didn't appear to be offended. All the best to all, John. >> You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > All the best to all, Why should he be? He might have been in Hull as long as you! SignatureMartin S. : >> You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, : > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : : He might have been in Hull as long as you! ...and could well be of the Christian faith too, do remember that many people from Pakistan were forced out of Pakistan (and later Uganda) because they were not of the Muslim faith. > ...and could well be of the Christian faith too, do remember that > many people from Pakistan were forced out of Pakistan (and later > Uganda) because they were not of the Muslim faith. A bit like my Jewish brother-in-law was forced out of Egypt when his father's business was nationalised by Nasser (I think). John. > A bit like my Jewish brother-in-law was forced out of Egypt when his > father's business was nationalised by Nasser (I think). Oh, and he celebrates Christmas too. ;-) John. >> A bit like my Jewish brother-in-law was forced out of Egypt when his >> father's business was nationalised by Nasser (I think). > > Oh, and he celebrates Christmas too. ;-) > > John. Several newspapers over here have run stories pointing out that most of the most popular secular Christmas songs were written by Jews.... Happy Christmas to all, this soporific Boxing Day. We're about to watch the first half of a Miss Marple (with Joan Hickson playing her), then we'll tuck into the ham (yesterday we had turkey), then we'll watch the 2nd half of the show, then we'll tidy up and off to bed. Oh, the dog needs walking - our daughter's dog, I hasten to add, which she brought along with the rest of the family. Cheers, wolf k. > He might have been in Hull as long as you! I live in North Lincolnshire, not Hull. But when in Rome. John. >> He might have been in Hull as long as you! > > I live in North Lincolnshire, not Hull. > > But when in Rome. Do you cross that big bridge every day? I was born in Cleethorpes! SignatureMartin S. > Do you cross that big bridge every day? I sure do! :-) Apart from the toll, it's a really nice start to each day. > I was born in Cleethorpes! I (we) walk the dogs there sometimes. John. >> Do you cross that big bridge every day? > > I sure do! :-) > > Apart from the toll, it's a really nice start to each day. It must take a toll on you, though. SignatureMartin S. > It must take a toll on you, though. It's quicker commuting to the shop in Hull from Barton upon Humber than from many parts of Hull itself. 15-20 minutes most days. John. >> He might have been in Hull as long as you! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. That to me is the whole point. In this country the tradition is to wish people a Merry Christmas. That does not mean you require the listener to be christian, british or immediately convert. It is merely a greeting we've used in my lifetime. This is a uk newsgroup, the majority of readers are british or at least familiar with british custom. Now if someone is offended by this greeting (in britain) then I have no interest in any discussion or contact with them. To be offended shows no interest in the opinions of others, in fact it suggests that we as a nation have no right to our customs. It is the word offended that makes me think that. If someone shows no interest then would think them merely impolite. Now if am speaking to a someone that I know to not be British - say they are French - then may say joyeux noel as well or instead - especially if was in France. If was in any other country then would make the effort to find what if anything they have for this time of the year and any other special days for them and if suitable give the appropriate greeting. This to me means I respect my countries tradition and customs and am willing to give the same respect to others. It is within reason of course, if found myself in a land of cannibals then would retire quickly and quietly. Cheers, Simon : >> He might have been in Hull as long as you! : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : people a Merry Christmas. That does not mean you require the listener to be : christian, british or immediately convert. That is what makes the nation arrogant, it's tradition for ignorant Brits to also expect the non British to speak English - even in their own country - and when they don't understand, for the self same ignorant Brits to just shout at them (again in English) rather than (try) to learn their language. : It is merely a greeting we've : used in my lifetime. Perhaps to you it might be, obviously to you all Christmas means is a time to over eat and get pissed out of your tiny mind whilst watching crappy TV. : This is a uk newsgroup, the majority of readers are : british or at least familiar with british custom. ...and there are whole sections of *traditional and native* British people who do not celebrate the religious festival. : Now if someone is offended by this greeting (in britain) then I have no : interest in any discussion or contact with them. That is called being an ignorant (religious) bigot at best, or simple a ignorant semen stain at worst! : To be offended shows no : interest in the opinions of others, in fact it suggests that we as a nation : have no right to our customs. It is the word offended that makes me think : that. If someone shows no interest then would think them merely impolite. The only people being impolite are those who just assume... : Now if am speaking to a someone that I know to not be British - say they are : French - then may say joyeux noel as well or instead - especially if was in : France. If was in any other country then would make the effort to find what : if anything they have for this time of the year and any other special days : for them and if suitable give the appropriate greeting. But what about the *British* Jew, the *British* Muslim, the *British* Hindu, the *British* Buddhist, even the *British* Atheists? : This to me means I respect my countries tradition and customs and am willing : to give the same respect to others. It is within reason of course, if found : myself in a land of cannibals then would retire quickly and quietly. No doubt you also never shop on a Sunday either... > "simon" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message [...] > But what about the *British* Jew, the *British* Muslim, the > *British* Hindu, the *British* Buddhist, even the *British* > Atheists? [...] Well, what about them? Are they like you? Somehow I doubt it. > : That to me is the whole point. In this country the tradition is > to wish [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the self same ignorant Brits to just shout at them (again in > English) rather than (try) to learn their language. No it doesnt, that is a totally unrelated discussion. > : It is merely a greeting we've > : used in my lifetime. > > Perhaps to you it might be, obviously to you all Christmas means > is a time to over eat and get pissed out of your tiny mind whilst > watching crappy TV. Heck no, theres lots more to it than that. Nativity plays, carol services, star wars on TV ..... Dont drink any more. > : This is a uk newsgroup, the majority of readers are > : british or at least familiar with british custom. > > ...and there are whole sections of *traditional and native* > British people who do not celebrate the religious festival. But are they familiar with the British custom ? > : Now if someone is offended by this greeting (in britain) then I > have no > : interest in any discussion or contact with them. > > That is called being an ignorant (religious) bigot at best, or > simple a ignorant semen stain at worst! No it doesnt - see below. > : To be offended shows no > : interest in the opinions of others, in fact it suggests that we [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > *British* Hindu, the *British* Buddhist, even the *British* > Atheists? Explain to me how they could be offended - uninterested ok, not bothered ok. Explain to me their preference ok. But offended by a traditional greeting of this country to other people of this country. It equates to an immigrant requiring me to speak to the immigrants language to everyone else in this country instead of english. Should I wear shorts and a hat with corks rather than traditional english dress to avoid upsetting Aussies ? > : This to me means I respect my countries tradition and customs > and am willing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No doubt you also never shop on a Sunday either... Yes I do. Cheers, Simon >> You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Didn't appear to be offended. We went to a local Indian restaraunt for lunch on Christmas Eve. As we were leaving, the proprietor wished us a happy Christmas. The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to be something of a myth. I've encountered plenty of people who believe in their existance and won't mention Christmas because they don't want to offend them, but I have never encountered anyone who actually claims to be offended by it themselves. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk : >> You're not offending me, just every non Christian in the UK, : > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : We went to a local Indian restaraunt for lunch on Christmas Eve. As we : were leaving, the proprietor wished us a happy Christmas. Why would s/he be offended by wishing *you* a "Happy Christmas", it would be like you wishing a Jew "Rosh Hashanah" on or around the 19th Sept. - on the other hand, for example, should someone offer their wishes for "Rosh Hashanah" to you just because they think you 'look Jewish'... : The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to be : something of a myth. Like many (but not all...) non Jews in Israel get used to the mention of Rosh Hashanah, all it proves is how 'thick-skinned some will become. I've encountered plenty of people who believe in : their existance and won't mention Christmas because they don't want to : offend them, but I have never encountered anyone who actually claims : to be offended by it themselves. What does that prove, for all we know you could be a hermit Mark. :o) The fact is, offering **specific** religious greetings to someone who is not (or might not be) of the faith - especially when there is a universal greeting that can be used instead - is not only crass but shows up ones own ignorance! Of course if all "Christmas" means to you is an excuse to spend money, eat, sleep, drink and generally 'have a party'... >: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:20:37 -0000, John Turner put finger to >keyboard [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Why would s/he be offended by wishing *you* a "Happy Christmas", Well, if he was offended by the mention of Christmas, he wouldn't have said it. >it would be like you wishing a Jew "Rosh Hashanah" on or around >the 19th Sept. - on the other hand, for example, should someone >offer their wishes for "Rosh Hashanah" to you just because they >think you 'look Jewish'... I've been wished happiness on a variety of religious holidays that I don't personally observe. I don't find it at all offensive. >: The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to >me to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >mention of Rosh Hashanah, all it proves is how 'thick-skinned >some will become. I don't see why a non-Jew would be offended by Rosh Hashanah, any more that they would be by Chinese New Year. I'm not offended by it. Are you? > I've encountered plenty of people who believe in >: their existance and won't mention Christmas because they don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What does that prove, for all we know you could be a hermit Mark. Even if I was, I've encountered plenty of people on Usenet. And none of them have ever expressed offence at being wished a merry Christmas, or any other religious festival. >:o) The fact is, offering **specific** religious greetings to >someone who is not (or might not be) of the faith - especially >when there is a universal greeting that can be used instead - is >not only crass but shows up ones own ignorance! Of course if all >"Christmas" means to you is an excuse to spend money, eat, sleep, >drink and generally 'have a party'... But the "universal greeting" isn't the same thing. If anyone says to me that they are offended by me mentioning Christmas, then I will desist from mentioning it to them. But until I encounter someone who does actually hold that postion, I'll stick to wishing people a Merry Christmas at Christmas time. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk <snip> : >Why would s/he be offended by wishing *you* a "Happy Christmas", : : Well, if he was offended by the mention of Christmas, he wouldn't have : said it. Whhhoooosssshhh.... You just don't 'get it', do you. :~( > : On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:00:53 -0000, Jerry put finger to > keyboard and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Whhhoooosssshhh.... You just don't 'get it', do you. :~( Have a Satisfying Saturnalia, Jerry. wolf k. Perhaps this will sort things out: Best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral, winter solstice holiday, practised within the most joyous traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, but with respect for the religious persuasion of others who choose to practise their own religion as well as those who choose not to practise a religion at all; Additionally, a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions have helped make our society great, without regard to the race, creed, colour, religious, or sexual preferences of the wishees. (Disclaimer: This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others and no responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.) or maybe not! > : On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:00:53 -0000, Jerry put finger to > keyboard and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Whhhoooosssshhh.... You just don't 'get it', do you. :~( >: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:00:53 -0000, Jerry put finger to >keyboard and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Whhhoooosssshhh.... You just don't 'get it', do you. :~( I'm getting the fact that I've never come across a non-Christian who was offended by people wishing him/her a merry Christmas. Unless you are one such, in which case please feel free to say so explicitly instead of just hinting at it. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk <snip> : I'm getting the fact that I've never come across a non-Christian who : was offended by people wishing him/her a merry Christmas. So, you are "Mr Universe" and thus qualified to speak for all man kind?... >So, you are "Mr Universe" and thus qualified to speak for all man >kind?... Five years ago I was a four-stone apology. Today I am two separate gorillas. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. ><snip> >: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So, you are "Mr Universe" and thus qualified to speak for all man >kind?... No, just for my own experience. If you ever find someone who is genuinely offended by the mention of Christmas, feel free to point them in my direction. I'm happy to see any real evidence for the existance of such a person. Until then, I'll stick with the theory that they're a mythical creature. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk > The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to be > something of a myth. I suspect their number is very few. Less than those Christians who are enraged when you use some other holiday salutation :-). It's fun to pull their chain :-). SignatureIntelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw >> The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to be >> something of a myth. > >I suspect their number is very few. Less than those Christians who are >enraged when you use some other holiday salutation :-). It's fun to pull >their chain :-). I think that's kind of my point, really. When someone says that they prefer to use a "universal greeting" in order to avoid causing offence, what it really means is that either a) they are genuinely ignorant of the fact that hardly anyone at all is offended by the mention of Christmas, or b) what they're actually doing is deliberately *trying* to cause offence among those who would prefer to use the traditional terminology. The former is mere foolishness, the latter is deliberate mendacity. If a non-Christian says "I prefer to say 'happy holidays' because I don't believe in the concept behind 'Christmas'", then that's both entirely honest and non-offensive. But claiming that a desire to avoid causing offence to others is very rarely honest. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk <snip> : I think that's kind of my point<snipped> In YOUR opinion. No doubt you are also one of those British cretins who expect everyone else to speak English when you are abroad and just shout when they fail to understand your wish for a full English breakfast, fish and chips and warm beer! ><snip> >: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >when they fail to understand your wish for a full English >breakfast, fish and chips and warm beer! No, I'm not. But your tendency to pigeonhole me speaks volumes for your own inability to comprehend things that are outside your own experience. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk <snip> : But your tendency to pigeonhole me speaks volumes for : your own inability to comprehend things that are outside your own : experience. Mark using his computer whilst catching his own reflection in the window... ><snip> >: But your tendency to pigeonhole me speaks volumes for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Mark using his computer whilst catching his own reflection in the >window... Lol. Ad homenim, projection and finally abuse. It's all there :-) Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk > Jerry typed: >>"Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lol. Ad homenim, projection and finally abuse. It's all there :-) Plonk the twat. SignatureMartin S. >> Jerry typed: >>>"Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Plonk the twat. Nah, it's too much fun. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk > MartinS put finger to keyboard and typed: >>> Jerry typed: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nah, it's too much fun. Chacun a son goût. SignatureMartin S. >> MartinS put finger to keyboard and typed: >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Chacun a son goût. Touché. Mark SignatureBlog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk : ><snip> : >: But your tendency to pigeonhole me speaks volumes for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : Lol. Ad homenim, projection and finally abuse. It's all there :-) Well stop posting it then Mark! All you are doing, in accusing me, is reflecting the exact same 'qualities' back on yourself! : > The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to be : > something of a myth. : : I suspect their number is very few. Less than those Christians who are : enraged when you use some other holiday salutation :-). It's fun to pull : their chain :-). Certainly did in your case! > 2009 10:01:42 +0000, Mark Goodge wrote: : > : > The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Certainly did in your case! Chuckle - see how easy it is to get a bite? SignatureIntelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw : > 2009 10:01:42 +0000, Mark Goodge wrote: : : > : > The people who are offended by a mention of Christmas seem to me to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : : Chuckle - see how easy it is to get a bite? So you admit to being a troll then! >Got some fish & chips from our local Paki chippie last night We have a Pakistani family in our church, it turns out that persecution of Christians is rife in Pakistan so some leave and come to England. However, I am always wary of assuming that any Asian is a Pakistani (or an Indian for that matter) due to the long-standing enmity between those states. A New Zealander will be offended if you ask if they are Australian, but not half as offended as an Indian who you ask if they are from Pakistan. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>Got some fish & chips from our local Paki chippie last night > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ask if they are Australian, but not half as offended as an Indian who > you ask if they are from Pakistan. Or a Yorkshireman who's asked if he's from Lancashire. SignatureMartin S. >>>Got some fish & chips from our local Paki chippie last night >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Or a Yorkshireman who's asked if he's from Lancashire. Too many Americans think Wales and Scotland are part of England. "I went to England for my vatation" "Where did you go? "Edinburgh" > Too many Americans think Wales and Scotland are part of England. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > "Edinburgh" He was referring to England in the generic sense, as the place where all the tax money is raised to support the Scots! ;-) I'll get me kilt. John. <snip> : He was referring to England in the generic sense, as the place where all the : tax money is raised to support the Scots! ;-) Hmm, why am I thinking "RBS"? I note that the SNP have quietly dropped the idea of basing their (independent) economy on the Icelandic model... >>Got some fish & chips from our local Paki chippie last night > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Guy And not half as offended as Australians if you think they are Kiwis :-) SignatureRegards John in Sydney >> As the subject really, Merry Christmas to all, have a good one. > > Are you actually allowed to say that in this PC (politically corrupt, > sorry correct) era? Sod PC. A Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! SignatureMartin S. |
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