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Jerry - the helpful mouthpiece?

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Badger - 27 Dec 2009 12:43 GMT
WOW!
Just when this newsgroup is looking like it's again dying off, all of a
sudden it springs back to life because of the annoying reappearance of the
most argumentative, self-centred, self-opinionated, self-righteous and
ignorant excuse for a civilised human being that mankind has ever known.

Any point, however sized, will be argued.
Any fact, will be twisted.
Any statement, by the time the thread has run to 100 posts, will be altered
to the exact opposite of its original context by careful snipping.
No admission will ever be given of a wrong.
No apology will ever be issued for a slander.
When the argument is being lost, the text will undoubtedly turn to insult.
When he's had enough, he'll go quiet, as he disappears off to
uk.rec.cars.classic and wherever else he feels the need to create chaos and
insult others.

Jerry, you are a prize plonker. You normally start off fine by answering a
post with useful and helpful information, but as soon as anyone else dares
to question or criticise you always have to go that one step beyond healthy
debate and resort to verbal violence. You probably have very few real true
friends, especially if your attitude in real life matches your cyber-style,
yet I feel compelled to thank you....
I have no wish to ever meet you (I doubt if I'd like you very much, nor you
me, because I do not tolerate imbeciles such as yourself) and I despise the
way you arrogantly spout your drivel down to others, yet your presence seems
to spur others into posting and adding some life back into the group so for
that, thank you. Now please poke off somewhere else (but preferably not
uk.rec.cars.classic) for a couple of months.....!

Badger.

P.S. I'm not going to bite and get "wound up" at any stupid response, I run
on petrol not clockwork!
Just zis Guy, you know? - 27 Dec 2009 13:01 GMT
>Just when this newsgroup is looking like it's again dying off, all of a
>sudden it springs back to life because of the annoying reappearance of the
>most argumentative, self-centred, self-opinionated, self-righteous and
>ignorant excuse for a civilised human being that mankind has ever known.

"Death of Usenet, film at eleven".

This group is usually fairly quiet but what gets posted here is of
high quality. Just killfile Jerry and leave the group to carry on as
it normally does.

Guy
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to be worth the price paid.

Jerry - 27 Dec 2009 13:13 GMT
: WOW!
: Just when this newsgroup is looking like it's again dying off, all of a
: sudden it springs back to life because of the annoying reappearance of the
: most argumentative, self-centred, self-opinionated, self-righteous and
: ignorant excuse for a civilised human being that mankind has ever known.

<snip the rest of your trolling>

Welcome back "Badger"...

Newsgroups die when they become nothing but a "Clique", full of
similar thinking, mutual back slapping, no-bodies who think that
know it all, and the less they actually know the worse they
become. The fact that you seem to dislike the fact that someone
else might have a different opinion says far more about **you**
that it ever does anyone else.
MartinS - 27 Dec 2009 17:26 GMT
> WOW!
> Just when this newsgroup is looking like it's again dying off, all of
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> P.S. I'm not going to bite and get "wound up" at any stupid response,
> I run on petrol not clockwork!

If he's such a plonker, then plonk him, don't respond to him.

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Martin S.

Badger - 27 Dec 2009 18:22 GMT
>> P.S. I'm not going to bite and get "wound up" at any stupid response,
>> I run on petrol not clockwork!
>
> If he's such a plonker, then plonk him, don't respond to him.

I didn't respond to him, and I won't either. He has so much good info to
pass on, yet he seems to suffer from an unavoidable compulsion to argue the
toss over the slightest litle things then resort to slander. I just don't
get it.
Badger.
Jerry - 27 Dec 2009 19:52 GMT
: >> P.S. I'm not going to bite and get "wound up" at any stupid response,
: >> I run on petrol not clockwork!
: >
: > If he's such a plonker, then plonk him, don't respond to him.
:
: I didn't respond to him, and I won't either.

No, I don't suspect that you will, but you have lit the touch
paper and allowed others to do so. Almost the perfect definition
of trolling if ever!

: He has so much good info to
: pass on, yet he seems to suffer from an unavoidable compulsion to argue the
: toss over the slightest litle things then resort to slander. I just don't
: get it.
: Badger.

Perhaps you (and others) need to look at your own reactions then,
perhaps the problem is not so much my replies but your ability to
accept that others have a just as valid opinion of view - take
the Christmas thread, who is arguing the toss, me for accepting
that there are some people who (whilst remaining polite) would
prefer not to be given wishes for a religious event that they do
not subscribe to or those who refuse to accept that there are
such people simple because they have never **knowingly** upset
anyone by offering such wishes?...
Wolf K - 27 Dec 2009 20:54 GMT
> : >> P.S. I'm not going to bite and get "wound up" at any stupid
> response,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> such people simple because they have never **knowingly** upset
> anyone by offering such wishes?...

I'm offended by many things said by other people, but I don't think I
have the right to stop other people from saying things that offend me.

cheers,
wolf k.
Jerry - 27 Dec 2009 22:26 GMT
[ context purposely left ]

: > : He has so much good info to
: > : pass on, yet he seems to suffer from an unavoidable compulsion
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
: I'm offended by many things said by other people, but I don't think I
: have the right to stop other people from saying things that offend me.

Even if, with a little thought, they could have said the same
thing without offending?

The 'argument' in the "Happy Christmas" thread is nothing what so
ever to do with being anti "PC" (I'm as anti the PC argument
being used for no good reason, or worse still miss-using it for
personal/political gain, as the next person), it's actually
simple laziness, a form of the "I'm alright Jack, sod others" or
the "Me-me-me" society we seem to have created - and that is why
certain posters have taken exception, it's just easier to be
unthinking, to be unaware of others, and excuse ones
thoughtlessness on being "anti PC" - the phrase "Seasons
Greetings" has been used for donkeys years, before anyone ever
thought up Women's lib, bra burning, 'Political Correctness' or
'Religious Correctness'.
Wolf K - 28 Dec 2009 04:31 GMT
> [ context purposely left ]
> : >
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Even if, with a little thought, they could have said the same
> thing without offending?

What does that have to do with it? I'll rephrase my point: I do not have
the right to expect others to refrain from saying things that might
offend me. Freedom of speech entails the right to give offense,
inadvertently or intentionally.

It also includes the right to ignore what others say - a point that
seems to have escaped you.

And since you insist on bringing ethics etc into it, I refer you to
Luther's advice: we should place the best possible construction on what
others say. You seem intent on doing the exact opposite.

cheers,
wolf k.

[snip]
Sailor - 28 Dec 2009 12:06 GMT
Whereas   I defend the right for one to hold differing views from
both the herd or that of the enlightened (self or professionally
grown) and also to express them on a public forum in as strong a
manner as they feel fit there are limits.

    There is simpy no excuse for losing control and offering verbal
abuse in lieu of logic and facts.   To indulge in such behaviour
usually indicates either a lack of knowlege/ experience or just damned
bad manners.   Could we end the year with just a touch of decorum
please?
Erik Olsen - 28 Dec 2009 15:33 GMT
> I'm offended by many things said by other people, but I don't think I
> have the right to stop other people from saying things that offend me.

What a beautiful statement.

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Erik Olsen
http://www.modelbaneteknik.dk/

simon - 29 Dec 2009 21:36 GMT
>> I'm offended by many things said by other people, but I don't think I
>> have the right to stop other people from saying things that offend me.
>
> What a beautiful statement.

Its this 'offended' bit that I find curious. Perhaps am not easil;y
offended. May disagree, may be suprised, may not bother reading most of the
post. But am rarely if ever offended.
However do agree with the sentiment described.

Cheers,
Simon
Dragon Heart - 29 Dec 2009 23:42 GMT
"  I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death
your right to say it ?  "

The Friends of Voltaire (1906)

Chris
Dragon Heart - 29 Dec 2009 00:03 GMT
.... and there was me thinking Troll's hibernated for the winter !

This link may be of interest to others on the group
http://www.flayme.com/troll/newsgroups.shtml

On the subject of Christmas :-

Zrok: "Do Trolls celebrate Christmas?"
Brap: "Yes, mostly because of Carol."
Zrok: "Carol? Who's Carol?"
Brap: "Carol Troll."
Zrok: "Yes, in the song "Deck The Halls".
Brap: "Oh yes, Troll the Ancient Yuletide Carol."

Below was taken from a site our Troll may have visited but I feel it
may be genetic or instinct

How to be a troll

Wait patiently until somebody writes a thing you think you can attack,
no matter what. If possible go for marginal trifles.

Start arguing smoothly in your best imitation of a real scholar
(rehearse first).

Keep on provoking with increasing offensiveness until the other
reacts.

In case of a friendly and polite reply, put it blunter and blunter
until the other's politeness wears off.

Get as personal as you can: too much is still not enough.

Don't use any hint of humour or subtlety: as they relate to
intelligence real trolls ignore all about them.

Never forget that You Are Right. If your opponent puts you in the
corner yell like hell and twist the world until it matches what you
said.

Don't be shy, insult freely. The more reasonable the other sounds, the
louder and heavier your insults shall be.

Don't give quarter: intrude in whatever discussion you like and never
relent until it dies in order to get rid of you.

If irreparably cornered change nickname and restart elsewhere.

So far the 'how' to do it. About the 'why' you should do it, the
explanation can vary. The table below covers only part of the known
reasons.

Please check all that applies.

as a toddler you had an unresolved conflict with the chamber pot.

since you are unable to prove your superiority, you feel compelled to
prove other people's inferiority.

your mother used to shout at you before your friends "and remember not
to wet your pants again!"

your father was always right, in particular when he was wrong. Now you
are feeling that your turn has come.

your baby-sitter committed suicide because of you and you cannot get
rid of the remorse.

you like tying empty cans to the cat's tail.

as a child the nastier you were the more you got, and you never found
a valid reason to change.

you are actually the reincarnation of Napoleon but are keeping it
confidential for obvious reasons.

Live long and prosper
 
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