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Model Forum / General / Railroads / March 2010recent addition to Gem locos
Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? http://www.gemmodelrailways.co.uk/GEM_Web_Site/OO_Locos.html Add a K's coal tank and theres enough for a modest LNWR layout. If willing to do etched locos then with London Road models can have a good set of LNWR. cheers, Simon > Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to > see theyre continuing to expand I seem to think that there has been an 'Experiment' in their range in the past, but not 100% sure about that. John. >> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to >> see theyre continuing to expand [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. Possibly unless your thinking of the Prince Of Wales. used to be the hornby B12 chassis was recommended for POW but now theyre advising the new experiment chassis for it. Cheers, Simon > Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to > see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > cheers, > Simon Has anyone actually got an old "GEM" catalogue? I've got catalogues like "W&H Ltd" which show GEM products, but a complete listing of what was produced over the years would be interesting. I'm sure there was an "Experiment" way back, but it would now need a chassis to stand in for the Tri-ang one. Greg.P. >> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to >> see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Greg.P. Wish you wouldnt do this. Thought would have a look at some of the adverts in 1970's MRC's. Didnt find anything on this but did get reminded GEM did a Compound and 999. But did raise a question of did DJH start out by selling built K's locos ? Cheers, Simon >>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to >>> see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Cheers, > Simon LNWR Society note that GEM did indeed do an Experiment at one time plus some others.... http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Modelling/4mmkits.php Thank you John and Greg have learned bit more. Cheers, Simon > But did raise a question of did DJH start out by selling built K's locos ? Not sure about that, but they developed their own range of loco kits which were enhanced in quality when they bought 'Model Loco' and incorporated their kits into the DJH range. John. >> But did raise a question of did DJH start out by selling built K's >> locos ? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. DJH produced the "Model Loco" range for M&F. (can't be certain about the very early M&F) When M&F went under the molds reverted to DJH. (at one stage last year I was negotiating to buy the molds from DJH) Regards, Greg.P. >>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good >>> to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Wish you wouldnt do this. > What in particular? I promise to stop it if you'll tell me what it is. ;-) > Thought would have a look at some of the adverts in 1970's MRC's. Didnt > find anything on this but did get reminded GEM did a Compound and 999. > But did raise a question of did DJH start out by selling built K's locos > ? I doubt it - the amount of work to get the K's kits I've assembled to work was out of all proportion to the kit price. One loco I still haven't finished had tender sides that are a quarter of an inch different in length. I wrote to K's and he sent me a new tender, but the tender sides of that one are both different and don't match the two originals. Motors; I got one "good" motor using parts from two new and one second-hand motor! It was for a customer so I don't know how long it lasted. regards, Greg.P.  SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good >>>> to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > regards, > Greg.P. Have done 2 now (ok thought almost finished second one). Discarded wheels, motor and gears of first immediately, as advised, and no problems. Chassis was already built on second one but was running a bit tempremental. Took motor out and its permanently arcing when running and needs bit of a push to get started from most positions. So going to dump that and replace same as other one with Mashima. Wheels werent too bad but had to remove again to remove gear so they may not go back on properly. Assumed dodgy body dimensions were my fault, but nothing like .25" so not worried. Cheers, Simon >>>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. >>>>> Good to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > Cheers, > Simon The remaining kit I have has new wheels, gears, motor, chassis, details removed and replaced with individual items, new couplers, new tender ... That basically leaves the boiler armature and some wrong dimensions :-( >>>>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. >>>>>> Good to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > and replaced with individual items, new couplers, new tender ... > That basically leaves the boiler armature and some wrong dimensions :-( was a pity about the motor as it has an integral gearbox which made it bit more idiot proof. What was the main symptom of K's motors failure. Assume with this on the perm sparking at brushes would give carbon deposits making poor contack so would need nursing throughout its life. cheers, Simon >>>>>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. >>>>>>> Good to see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > cheers, > Simon The three duds I remember had: - axle holes drilled crooked. - armature windings shorting. - commutator loose and brush caps loose. (s/h) I think I had two good ones which went into commissions. I guess that doesn't tell you much except that quality control left something to be desired. When the motor was first advertised I was quite impressed, particularly as my interest was in building small HO steam. Generally the Tri-ang/Airfix X04 and Slimline motors were just too big for my prototypes. SignatureUsing Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good to >> see theyre continuing to expand - coald it be a claughton next ? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I'm sure there was an "Experiment" way back, but it would >now need a chassis to stand in for the Tri-ang one. Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years ago - I have a copy but it's in storage ATM. Tim >>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good >>> to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tim Any more clues? Tried googling UK loco kits and every variation I could think of. Wild Swan had Ian Rice's book on assembling white metal kits, but as I already have that and it doesn't give lists of Gem locos. Greg.P. >>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good >>>> to [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Greg.P. Found it! http://www.forsythe.demon.co.uk/other_pages/bkkits1.htm is the author's page. Tim >>>>> Noticed theyve added an Experiment to their 00 whitemetal range. Good >>>>> to [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Tim That does look good, must get a copy esp for K's kit info. Suppose will have to wait for Vol 2 for stuff on Gem though. Cheers, Simon >>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years ago - >>>> I have a copy but it's in storage ATM. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Cheers, >Simon I wouldn't hold your breath waiting - it's now been ten years since Vol 1 appeared, which suggests that it wasn't a commercial success :-( Tim >>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years ago - >>>>> I have a copy but it's in storage ATM. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tim He does publish a lot of the info in articles for one of the magazines, perhaps gets more for it there - dont know the economics. might be worth asking the current owners of GEM, had a chat with the lady a couple of years ago at an exhibition - really pleasant and helpful. Theyre at stafford in week or 2, maybe ask there. cheers, Simon >>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years ago >>>>>> - [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > cheers, > Simon Ask them about the European outline models for me :-) Greg.P. NZ >>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Greg.P. > NZ What were they - foreign stuff ? Cheers, Simon >>>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Cheers, > Simon GEM did half a dozen HO German outline locos to fit on proprietry chassis. (Ma, Fleischmann) and at least one complete loco (Prussian P3 2-4-0 passenger loco) I have that last one and it's not too bad although I had to replace some detail parts. K's did a whole string of HO European locos, French, Danish, Swedish, Spanish ... I'd guess at over 2 dozen. I got one K's German loco, but it was pretty crude. I'd quite like to find a few of the really odd ones :-) Greg.P. >>>>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Greg.P. Picked up a 1966 GEM catalogue at the weekend. Only included a couple of GEM locos but one was the Experiment. was suprised by the ranges carried including Wills, Slaters, Merit, Peco and Humbrol amongst others. Also the range of GEM kit bits including signals and a lot of track components :- points, flexitrack etc. Got K's as well, full range of kit stuff there (chimneys....) as well as loco kits. No European in either though. Cheers, Simon >>>>>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > Cheers, > Simon I don't know when either Gem or K's started European kits. In the 1960s model railway stuff from the UK was difficult to obtain here. Generally we were restricted to buying one shilling British postal orders, one per day, so it took forever to get very little. That lasted into the 1980s! I bought a W&H catalogue in the mid 1970s and the GEM kits were illustrated and the K's kits listed. (incomplete list of numbers) Started getting a German mag in 1978 and the Gem kits were advertised by a German retailer, the list wasn't the same as W&H's which is why I wonder if I'm aware of all the models offered. I don't remember _any_ appearing in the Continental Modeller. I guess, give the improvements in detailing and quality, it doesn't matter any more, but I'd like to know. :-) Regards, Greg.P. > I don't know when either Gem or K's started European kits. In the 1960s > model railway stuff from the UK was difficult to obtain here. Generally [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. theres a 1980 Keyser catalog on ebay at the moment. Perhaps expensive at least GBP10 but lots of pictures and said to include European models. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ks-kitbuit-locomotive-very-rare-colour-catalogue-1980s_W0Q QitemZ170458826139QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Trains_Railway_Models?hash=item27b023459 b Cheers, Simon >>>>>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Been trying to find Autocom (UK) via Google. (presumably the current owner of the K's moulds) Are they not represented on the Internet? Website/email? Greg.P. >>>>>>>>>>> Somebody (Wild Swan?) published a History of UK Kits some years >>>>>>>>>>> go - [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Greg.P. According to this thread you wont .... http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2186 Cheers, Simon > > Been trying to find Autocom (UK) via Google. > > (presumably the current owner of the K's moulds) > > Are they not represented on the Internet? > > Website/email? > > > > Greg.P. > According to this thread you wont .... > http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2186 > Cheers, > Simon They are still listed in Issue 112, February 2010 of "Manufacturers and suppliers of 4mm scale products, focusing on the needs of the 4mm finescale railway modeller" see http://www.clag.org.uk/russ/supplier.html But it is several years since I last contacted them to get a spare part for a GWR Duke kit. Alan Signaturealan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC |
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