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Model Forum / General / Railroads / March 2010New Bachmann releases
Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- LMS 3F 0-6-0 & tender S&D 7F 2-8-0 BR Derby Lightweight dmu (assume class 108) Makes a lovely change from Hornby's big, green engine releases. I can see these selling in large quantities. John. > Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- Oh, forgot about the class 85 (AL5) electric. John. >> Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's >> plans:- > > Oh, forgot about the class 85 (AL5) electric. And proof that there is indeed a God (kim) > And proof that there is indeed a God Aye, and maybe like the AL5s he was made in Yorkshire! ;-) John. > Aye, and maybe like the AL5s he was made in Yorkshire! ;-) Well, I've always thought of God as a bit like a Dales farmer. Just as approachable, and just as social. > Well, I've always thought of God as a bit like a Dales farmer. Just > as approachable, and just as social. Ooh arrh lad! ;-) John. >> Well, I've always thought of God as a bit like a Dales farmer. Just >> as approachable, and just as social. > > Ooh arrh lad! ;-) Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a sheep farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire.  SignatureMartin S. >>> Well, I've always thought of God as a bit like a Dales farmer. Just >>> as approachable, and just as social. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a sheep > farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. Happen he were helping the sheep over t' fence? > Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a sheep > farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. Not as if they're all local in Heartbeat, but the programme doesn't depict the Yorkshire Dales anyway - it's North York Moors, much of which is in Cleveland these days! ;-) John. >> Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a sheep >> farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. > >Not as if they're all local in Heartbeat, but the programme doesn't depict >the Yorkshire Dales anyway - it's North York Moors, much of which is in >Cleveland these days! ;-) I'd never heard of it until I was back in the UK for the hols and rode on the North York Moors Railway. They were filming a beautifully turned out standard class 4 tank, train and passengers in 1960s dress at Grosmont while I was waiting for the train. >John. >>> Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a >>> sheep farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > turned out standard class 4 tank, train and passengers in 1960s dress > at Grosmont while I was waiting for the train. Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 years), and there were no steam trains running then. SignatureMartin S. >>>> Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a >>>> sheep farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 years), and >there were no steam trains running then. Like I said, I've never seen the show. But there were staff telling people what they were shooting and keeping them away from the action. >>>> Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a >>>> sheep farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 years), and > there were no steam trains running then. Been watching it on and off the last few weeks. Isnt it only a year out with scheduled steam, would have thought was further out with Teddy boys and some of the music being nearer early 70's. Tonights episode had a derailment, all very low key and nice - think that and the music is why like it. Cheers, Simon > Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 years), and > there were no steam trains running then. <suspicious> You seem to know a lot about TV? >> Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 years), >> and >> there were no steam trains running then. > > <suspicious> > You seem to know a lot about TV? Its ok as this has steam trains (there was a diesel tonight as well, supposed to be a snow plough but couldnt see any such artifice). Someone needs to monitor it for correctness. > "bobharvey" <robertharvey@my-deja.com> wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > supposed to be a snow plough but couldnt see any such artifice). Someone > needs to monitor it for correctness. I'm not sure about the correctness of the food price list in the bar. It advertises sausage rolls for 3d, pasties for 4d and sandwiches for 1/6. SignatureMartin S. >> Except that Heartbeat is set in 1969 (and has been for over 10 >> years), and there were no steam trains running then. > > <suspicious> > You seem to know a lot about TV? I sometimes take a break from playing with model trains. SignatureMartin S. >> Just like the ones portrayed on Heartbeat. In a recent episode, a >> sheep farmer was victimised because he came from Lancashire. > > Not as if they're all local in Heartbeat, but the programme doesn't > depict the Yorkshire Dales anyway - it's North York Moors, much of > which is in Cleveland these days! ;-) I think most of the actors were from the Leeds area where it was shot, but no more since Granada/ITV PLC shut down the Yorkshire Television studios. SignatureMartin S. >> Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > >Oh, forgot about the class 85 (AL5) electric. > >John. Did you not notice the class 350 emu? Quite interesting for those of us who model eletric traction, rather than kettles....... Also, easily modified by a modeller or manufacturer into a S.W. Trains 450, & with a little more work, a NEXEA or Heathrow Connect 260! DC > Did you not notice the class 350 emu? I did eventually, but too modern for my needs. John. >> Did you not notice the class 350 emu? > > I did eventually, but too modern for my needs. Ditto. Was hoping for an AM10 (Class 110) to match the period of the AL5/Class 85. Would even have settled for an AM4/Class 104. Still, any first generation AC electric is better than none. (kim) > > <d...@blueyunder.co.uk> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > (kim) I'm sure you mean AM10 (class 310) and AM4 (class 304). >>> <d...@blueyunder.co.uk> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I'm sure you mean AM10 (class 310) and AM4 (class 304). Yes, thanks for the correction :o) (kim) > Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > BR Derby Lightweight dmu (assume class 108) I should hope it's not a Class 108! Fred X >Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Makes a lovely change from Hornby's big, green engine releases. I can see >these selling in large quantities. Does that count as a Derby Lightweight? I know it was built at Derby but I always assumed that referred to the units with the high windows at the front. >John. > Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > > LMS 3F 0-6-0 & tender > S&D 7F 2-8-0 > BR Derby Lightweight dmu (assume class 108) WHAT???? Is nothing on my workbench sacred? :-) :-) Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the original Lightweight. (Like wot I also have in build and has reached my website, unlike the 7F!) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ > Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the original > Lightweight. Soz, that was me in brain dead mode. I was thinking the existing 108 was in fact a 114 heavyweight, which it clearly is not. John. >> Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the >> original Lightweight. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. When is someone going to do a Class 116? SignatureJane >When is someone going to do a Class 116? <http://tinyurl.com/eddieknorn> I was at school with Eddie. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>When is someone going to do a Class 116? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Guy Lloyd George knew my father. >>> Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the >>> original Lightweight. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > When is someone going to do a Class 116? Yes, that would seem like a more logical choice especially as it could be retooled into a few other classes without too much effort. These Derby lightweights were all withdrawn by 1969 so they must be one of the shortest lived DMU! Fred X > "Paul Boyd" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. No, sadly. I wish it was. No 1960s Lincs/S Yorks layout is complete without 114s. I gather the new DMU is going to be the early Derby version of the 79xxx number range. >>> Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the >>> original Lightweight. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I gather the new DMU is going to be the early Derby version of the > 79xxx number range. Didn't Hornby (or was it Tri-ang) make these once? Why can't they make something new for a change? SignatureJane >>>> Bachmann already do a Class 108, so I would assume this is the >>>> original Lightweight. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Why can't they make something new for a change? No, I think was a Met-Camm DMU Class 100?? Fred X > Didn't Hornby (or was it Tri-ang) make these once? > > Why can't they make something new for a change? I think the Lightweight dmu was quite unconvincingly modelled many years ago by Kirdon rather than Tri-ang. Not many people will even have heard of them, let alone seen one of the very crude models in the flesh. John. >> Didn't Hornby (or was it Tri-ang) make these once? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >John. Would that be the same Kirdon that made a model of the LMS diesels, 10000 & 10001? Remember cabbing one of them at a Willesden Open Day................. DC > Would that be the same Kirdon that made a model of the LMS diesels, > 10000 & 10001? Indeed, and that was an equally crude rendering. Many years ago I bought what I thought was a Kirdon 10,000 at a toy fair in Northampton, but eventually I found out that it wasn't and might well have neem produced by (or for) Bonds - from memory it was made from nickel-silver or tinplate and was quite a superb model. Some years later a Kirdon 10,000 and Derby Lightweight DMU went through my hands, and both were extremely disappointing. John. >> Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Lightweight. (Like wot I also have in build and has reached my website, > unlike the 7F!) Wonderful, have been looking at the 3F and 7F kits for quite a while and thinking about them - thought a 3F possible but suprised by the 7F. Have they avoided the more common and better known 4F cos Hornby are updating theirs or cos Hornby would move theirs to Railroad and spoil Bachmann sales ? Cheers, Simon >>> Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Cheers, > Simon PS mind if have a quick moan that theres no updated original Scot again ! > Have they avoided the more common and better known 4F cos Hornby are > updating theirs or cos Hornby would move theirs to Railroad and spoil > Bachmann sales? The 3F was widely regarded as a MUCH better engine than the 4F. I've had no hints that Hornby are 'improving' their rather poor 4F, but it makes more sense to me to produce a totally new model rather than model something that has gone before - and I know that Tri-ang did a 3F, but that was a long time ago & it was a dreadful model. John. >> Have they avoided the more common and better known 4F cos Hornby are >> updating theirs or cos Hornby would move theirs to Railroad and spoil [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John. Not questioning theyre choice - am pleased theyre doing a 3F cos want one or 2 - just suprised by the reasoning. Whenever look at LMS/Midland photos then there lots of 4Fs but few 3Fs, true 4Fs werent the favourite of firemen especially as 4Fs were difiicult to steam sometimes. Cheers, Simon It would be really useful if either Hornby or Bachman released a 'suburban' type DMU as per Lima. A Class 118 would really suit me for the layout I am building i.e. S Wales Valleys > It would be really useful if either Hornby or Bachman released a 'suburban' > type DMU as per Lima. A Class 118 would really suit me for the layout I am > building i.e. S Wales Valleys I'm surprised that neither of the Big Two have produced a Class 117, especially considering the popularity of the Lima offering. Presumably Hornby could very easily re-release the 117 along the same lines as the ex-Lima Class 121, although I guess it would come under the Railroad brand. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> It would be really useful if either Hornby or Bachman released a >> 'suburban' type DMU as per Lima. A Class 118 would really suit me [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lines as the ex-Lima Class 121, although I guess it would come under > the Railroad brand. The problem with the Lima class 117 is that it has 2 DBMSs rather than 1 DBMS and 1 DMS. SignatureJane > The problem with the Lima class 117 is that it has 2 DBMSs rather than 1 > DBMS and 1 DMS. A minor technicality :-) Wonder if the cast resin conversion sides are still available? SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >>> It would be really useful if either Hornby or Bachman released a >>> 'suburban' type DMU as per Lima. A Class 118 would really suit me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The problem with the Lima class 117 is that it has 2 DBMSs rather than 1 > DBMS and 1 DMS. An even bigger problem is that it was retooled to make the Class 121. Fred X > An even bigger problem is that it was retooled to make the Class 121. Ah - that would be a bit of a drawback to my plan! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ > I'm surprised that neither of the Big Two have produced a Class 117, > especially considering the popularity of the Lima offering. I wonder just how popular the 117 really was, or was it just the case that it was just one of only two dmus available in ready-to-run form? Many of those sold were used for kit-bashing to recreate other different units. I've never really considered it good policy to re-tool an existing model when there are plenty of unmodelled locos/dmus etc which have not been tackled. John. > It would be really useful if either Hornby or Bachman released a > 'suburban' type DMU as per Lima. A Class 118 would really suit me for > the layout I am building i.e. S Wales Valleys The trains thet went up and down the S.Wales valleys were Derby-built class 116, not BRCW class 118. From the railcar.co.uk website: Of the 168 class 118s, 108 were ordered for suburban services from Paddington, 15 for the Bristol - Taunton area, and 45 for services in Devon and Cornwall, West of Newton Abbott. From the same site most [Class 116] cars went into service in the West Midlands and Wales, remaining there until withdrawal in the '80s. SignatureJane Agreed, but a suburban DMU would still be preferable to a 'Cross Country' type, even if it isn't quite the right one > Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John. Looking in a bit more detail, see the 3F has a Johnson tender which makes a nice change. However the 7F will only be available in BR livery - bit of a disappointment for us LMS or SDJR fans. However quick check shows that despite being a fairly small class they were mucked about with by the time they got to BR which may explain limited livery. Cheers, Simon > Looking in a bit more detail, see the 3F has a Johnson tender which > makes a nice change. However the 7F will only be available in BR livery > - bit of a disappointment for us LMS or SDJR fans. However quick check > shows that despite being a fairly small class they were mucked about > with by the time they got to BR which may explain limited livery. These locos only ever ran in plain black, regardless of ownership, so livery choice is extremely limited! Look on the bright side, they'll be easy to change to LMS livery! If I ever get my kit finished it'll be finished in S&DJR blue livery - totally un-prototypical (unless you count the preservation scene) but fun! SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> Looking in a bit more detail, see the 3F has a Johnson tender which makes >> a nice change. However the 7F will only be available in BR livery - bit [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If I ever get my kit finished it'll be finished in S&DJR blue livery - > totally un-prototypical (unless you count the preservation scene) but fun! If only, (quick) look says replacement boilers were smaller than originals and modifications required to smokebox etc to fit. Still as John said its a nice change to have something in colour thats not green :-) Oh and I wonder what period of LMS for the 3F. Era 3 ? Does that narrow it down to one of 3, 4 or 5 livery changes. Cheers, Simon > If only, (quick) look says replacement boilers were smaller than > originals and modifications required to smokebox etc to fit. Still as > John said its a nice change to have something in colour thats not green :-) Yeah, but that's not a livery change - just detail change. There were basically three boiler combinations - 1914 original large, 1914 reboilered with small, and 1925 new build with small. One 1914 loco's smokebox saddle was badly corroded and had to be replaced with a new saddle to take the smaller boiler, whereas the other 1914 series had a distance piece. Then there were the tenders - Fowler or Deeley, with or without cab extension. Boiler fittings changed around as well. Oh yeah - they originally had brakes on the pony trucks as well! They were all black though! > Oh and I wonder what period of LMS for the 3F. Era 3 ? Does that narrow > it down to one of 3, 4 or 5 livery changes. Era what? Pre-grouping, post-grouping, BR, privatisation. That's nice and easy instead of using arbitrary numbers :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> If only, (quick) look says replacement boilers were smaller than >> originals and modifications required to smokebox etc to fit. Still as [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > extension. Boiler fittings changed around as well. Oh yeah - they > originally had brakes on the pony trucks as well! My fault, said it was a quick look and misunderstood. So yes as theyre the small boilered ones and they existed in that form from quite early then will definiately get one and renumber. > They were all black though! But a sample set of liveries given by Essery shows Gold/Black insignia with 12" numerals, same colour with 14" numerals, plain straw insignia with 10" numerals and Yellow/Red with 10" numbers. Just a sample ! >> Oh and I wonder what period of LMS for the 3F. Era 3 ? Does that narrow >> it down to one of 3, 4 or 5 livery changes. > > Era what? Pre-grouping, post-grouping, BR, privatisation. That's nice and > easy instead of using arbitrary numbers :-) You missed out grouping, mere 25 years. Now I'm not a rivet counter and dont mind stretching things by a few years especially as things didnt change overnight but 25 years is going it a bit. As for pre-grouping, does that mean you can have Rocket piloting a Claughton :-) cheers, Simon > But a sample set of liveries given by Essery shows Gold/Black insignia > with 12" numerals, same colour with 14" numerals, plain straw insignia > with 10" numerals and Yellow/Red with 10" numbers. Just a sample ! All on 7Fs? > As for pre-grouping, > does that mean you can have Rocket piloting a Claughton :-) Hey - why not????? SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> But a sample set of liveries given by Essery shows Gold/Black insignia >> with 12" numerals, same colour with 14" numerals, plain straw insignia >> with 10" numerals and Yellow/Red with 10" numbers. Just a sample ! > > All on 7Fs? Yep, Essery and Jenkinson list 28 variations of livery for LMS plain black, and theyre the standard ones ignoring individual works quirks. >> As for pre-grouping, does that mean you can have Rocket piloting a >> Claughton :-) > > Hey - why not????? Hot box perhaps :-) Cheers, Simon > Yep, Essery and Jenkinson list 28 variations of livery for LMS plain > black, and theyre the standard ones ignoring individual works quirks. Were all those variations really on the 7F? SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> Yep, Essery and Jenkinson list 28 variations of livery for LMS plain >> black, and theyre the standard ones ignoring individual works quirks. > > Were all those variations really on the 7F? Not the 28, they just mention the 4 as a sample that they have confirmed. The number/letters colours changed through the LMS period although normally the numeral size didnt - more dependent on cab size. Section on the 7F's is quite modest in the book hence only 4 variations listed, Johnson 3F shows 8. Cheers, Simon >>> Yep, Essery and Jenkinson list 28 variations of livery for LMS plain >>> black, and theyre the standard ones ignoring individual works quirks. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, > Simon The more I think about it then the more confused by their decision to go for a 7F from the commercial point of view, not complaing just confused. Can see the first batch selling well but after that will it be worth doing another full run. OK they reached late BR, but small class, no livery changes, believe theyre not widespread distribution. Not iconic - except for a small dedicated (vocal) following. Can anyone explain ? Cheers, Simon > You missed out grouping, mere 25 years. I've just realised what you meant - "post-grouping" means after the grouping in 1923, i.e. the period you're calling grouping. :-) SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> You missed out grouping, mere 25 years. > > I've just realised what you meant - "post-grouping" means after the > grouping in 1923, i.e. the period you're calling grouping. :-) Of course, my mistake ;-) Cheers, Simon >>> You missed out grouping, mere 25 years. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Perhaps it should have been "Grouped" or even "Big Four". ;-) Greg.P. > Era what? Pre-grouping, post-grouping, BR, privatisation. That's nice and > easy instead of using arbitrary numbers :-) I don't like this era numbering thing. I certainly don't need to be told which loco to run with which coaches - and if I did need to be told, then I probably wouldn't care. What's up with buying a few books and doing some research. It's all arbitrary anyway, even the Big 4 era (1923-1947) easily falls into four periods (early pre-WW2, late pre-WW2, WW2 & post-WW2) with loads of interchange between them. The most modern era (post-privatisation) is so fluid that I defy anyone to classify it into anything meaningful. John. >> Era what? Pre-grouping, post-grouping, BR, privatisation. That's nice >> and easy instead of using arbitrary numbers :-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I probably wouldn't care. What's up with buying a few books and doing > some research. For impulse purchases and those times when we just have to buy something - usually a way out of period wagon :-) Presume manufacturer has done the research so why not print it on box.. > It's all arbitrary anyway, even the Big 4 era (1923-1947) easily falls > into four periods (early pre-WW2, late pre-WW2, WW2 & post-WW2) with loads > of interchange between them. The most modern era (post-privatisation) is > so fluid that I defy anyone to classify it into anything meaningful. > > John. Only a quibble as for LMS I'd match it to the various CME's. Ignoring Lemon/Fairburn and merge WW2 and post WW2 as Ivatt. Cheers, Simon > merge WW2 and post WW2 as Ivatt. Two very distinct eras as far as I'm concerned. Virtually everything overhauled during WW2 came out in drab unlined black, but as soon as the War was over new & fairly imaginative embellishments started to appear. That's why it's so VERY difficult to categorise eras. John. >> merge WW2 and post WW2 as Ivatt. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. Agree completely cos very much a personal choice. I would say although they started to appeaar they didnt get as far as bulk of locos as nationalisation loomed. Now theres an interesting period. In fact if it wasnt for my liking of LNWR locos would definately be tempted by WW2 and very early BR as a first choice. All the good LMS engines plus a real variety of colours. Still got the PO wagons but can mix and match companies in single train. Presume lots of intercompany workings if you like the odd 'other company' stock. Cheers, Simon > > If only, (quick) look says replacement boilers were smaller than > > originals and modifications required to smokebox etc to fit. Still as [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Era what? Pre-grouping, post-grouping, BR, privatisation. That's nice > and easy instead of using arbitrary numbers :-) In Somerset and Dorset days the spacing of the letters "SDJR" on the tender indicated where the locomotive has last been overhauled and painted. I am ptretty sure that if the letters were closely spaced then the work had been done at Derby, if widely spaced then Highbridge was repsonsible. Many years ago the "Railway Modeller" had drawings of the 7F's and illusrated the tender painting styles. This is also borne out by "Fowler Locomotives" by Brian Haresnape; page 25 shows No 80 (first of the class) at Derby Works with close letters. It may also be worth noting that, in S&DJR days, the 2-8-0's were classed as "5P5G" and became "7F" under the LMS. A few other "quirks": the first six (Nos 80 to 85) were right hand drive with steam reversing gear, they originally had lips on the chimney but these were removed to prevent them fouling the ventilators in Radstock shed; the tender-cabs were removed in 1919/20 as they caused draughts on the footplate and cab roofs were later extended backwards. The second batch (Nos 86 to 90) had the larger boiler, left hand drive, screw reversers but no tender cab. No 89 was the first of this batch to receive the G9AS (smaller) boiler after being badly damaged in a 1929 accident, No 90 was re-boliered at about this time also. the remainder of the second batch were not reboilered until 1953 - 1955. Once Stanier was CME of the LMS the original Fowler chimneys were replaced by Stanier's design, the brakes on the leading pony truck were removed (there had, apparently, been instances of the leading wheels tending to lift off the rails if the brakes didn't release properly), the driving wheel size was increased by re-tyring from 4' 7 1/2" to 4' 8 1/2" diameter and standard LMS type sliding firebox doors were fitted. There were also several changes to the sanding arrangements on these engines while the earlier batch had taller cab roof ventilators than the latter. The locomotives, originally numbered 80 to 90, became 9670 to 9680 in 1930, 13800 to 13810 in 1932 and finally 53800 to 53810 in 1948. Livery was always plain black, only the numerals and insignia ever varying in style and size. I hope this is useful, apologies for the length of this but there were - apparently - quite a lot of differences at one time or another in this quite small class. David Costigan >> > If only, (quick) look says replacement boilers were smaller than >> > originals and modifications required to smokebox etc to fit. Still as [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > David Costigan Very useful warning - get your photo first ! but would say quite typical set of changes for an LMS loco. Cheers, Simon >> Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Cheers, > Simon Will the release of the new 3F put any old Tri-ang 3Fs on the market??? That particular model never made it here to NZ and I've always wanted one for my Tri-ang collection. Greg.P. > Will the release of the new 3F put any old Tri-ang 3Fs on the market??? > That particular model never made it here to NZ and I've always wanted > one for my Tri-ang collection. I doubt it somehow; they're pretty few and far between these days and I suspect that most of the nice examples are firmly stowed away in the cupboards of serious collectors - bless 'em! ;-) John. > Not got the full list but the following look to be in Bachmann's plans:- > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John. Don't we have enough 108 models? I'd like to see a class 142 or similar. Still no 0-4-0 in the range or industrial loco of any kind except for the starter sets. (kim) |
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