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Model Forum / General / Railroads / August 2010Bachmann Blue Pullman
I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release of the 6-car Blue Pullman. Everyone has been asking for it, and now there will be two RTR offerings!  SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release >of the 6-car Blue Pullman. Everyone has been asking for it, and now >there will be two RTR offerings! I was about to say the same. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release >>of the 6-car Blue Pullman. Everyone has been asking for it, and now [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Guy I think there will only be one. Olivia's Trains have cancelled their project with Heljan on news of Bachmann's announcement. ROB >>>I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release >>>of the 6-car Blue Pullman. Everyone has been asking for it, and now [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I think there will only be one. Olivia's Trains have cancelled their project >with Heljan on news of Bachmann's announcement. Probably just as well, I think the Bachmann one will be better. A shame in one way as I am sure Olivia's would have welcomed the cash boost, but the end result is probably good for the model railway community as a whole. About bloody time, in fact. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. <snip> > Probably just as well, I think the Bachmann one will be better. A > shame in one way as I am sure Olivia's would have welcomed the cash > boost On the other hand, if the demand for the Blue Pullman turns out to have been as illusory as some people have feared, Olivia's won't be risking getting their fingers burnt. > but the end result is probably good for the model railway > community as a whole. About bloody time, in fact. To be honest, I still can't see the attraction although that's probably due to me being from the North East. ;-) SignatureJades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address! >> Probably just as well, I think the Bachmann one will be better. A >> shame in one way as I am sure Olivia's would have welcomed the cash [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have been as illusory as some people have feared, Olivia's won't be > risking getting their fingers burnt. I suspect the opposite, small production runs can be both viable and at times very profitable for small companies whereas for large companies small production runs can be very uneconomic. If the Blue Pullman doesn't sell - and after all it does have a very limited appeal to anyone trying to replicate a particula period/area with their layout the Bachmann product will fail and and in due course be withdrawn. Meanwhile Olivia's will have been squeezed out. SignatureAll the best, Chris > Meanwhile Olivia's will have been squeezed out. Did Olivia's deserve to be 'in' in the first place? Any organisation asking for a £75 deposit up front with order, for something which may or may not be produced, in my book isn't very professional. Especially so when there was apparently no guarantee that centre cars would follow. John. >> Meanwhile Olivia's will have been squeezed out. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Especially so when there was apparently no guarantee that centre cars > would follow. Good point - I hadn't noted that a deposit was being asked for, not really my area of interest. SignatureAll the best, Chris >>> Meanwhile Olivia's will have been squeezed out. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Good point - I hadn't noted that a deposit was being asked for, not really > my area of interest. Can't say as I blame them, after all anyone that likes diesels is probably a bit flighty ! Cheers, Simon > >>> Meanwhile Olivia's will have been squeezed out. > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Cheers, > Simon "Likes Diesels" - Huhh? =8^O > Can't say as I blame them, after all anyone that likes diesels is probably > a bit flighty ! Rumbled at last - I like diesels. Mind you I also like those antiquated water boilers too! ;-) John. >> Can't say as I blame them, after all anyone that likes diesels is >> probably a bit flighty ! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > John. Already knew about your preferences John, took that into account when came to conclusion ;-) cheers, Simon ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >To be honest, I still can't see the attraction although that's >probably due to me being from the North East. ;-) I have a photo somewhere of a blue pullman on the ECML. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>To be honest, I still can't see the attraction although that's >>probably due to me being from the North East. ;-) > >I have a photo somewhere of a blue pullman on the ECML. Apparently one worked a special between Coventry and West Hartlepool for a Rugby Union championship match in March 1965. http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/650313wh.html >Guy >>>I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release >>>of the 6-car Blue Pullman. Everyone has been asking for it, and now [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ROB Was passing reference in comment about LMS twins :-) Has Hornby decided if they are to carry on or cancel theyre use of old tooling ? CHeers, Simon > Has Hornby decided if they are to carry on or cancel theyre use of old > tooling ? I don't think Hornby have ever commited themselves to re-issuing the Blue Pullman, even if it was just for their Railroad range. Our Hornby rep reckons the old Tri-ang tooling has not been particularly well stored and would need an awful lot of work to make them usable - even to the point where it might be cheaper to start again. John. <snip> > I don't think Hornby have ever commited themselves to re-issuing the Blue > Pullman, even if it was just for their Railroad range. > Our Hornby rep reckons the old Tri-ang tooling has not been particularly > well stored and would need an awful lot of work to make them usable - even > to the point where it might be cheaper to start again. The latest Model Rail is saying that Hornby are looking at re-releasing it. Although Railroad wasn't specifically mentioned, that would make the most sense. SignatureJades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address! > The latest Model Rail is saying that Hornby are looking at > re-releasing it. Or just rumour-mongering? ;-) John. >> The latest Model Rail is saying that Hornby are looking at >> re-releasing it. > > Or just rumour-mongering? ;-) > > John. Not this time :-) There was a comment from Mr K on MREMAG. Cheers, Simon > Not this time :-) There was a comment from Mr K on MREMAG. Could it not be Mr K who is rumour-mongering? ;-) John. >> Not this time :-) There was a comment from Mr K on MREMAG. > > Could it not be Mr K who is rumour-mongering? ;-) > > John. In person perhaps but not on a public forum :-) Cheers, Simon > I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann release > of the 6-car Blue Pullman. I've never considered that the Blue Pullman was a viable release, and have always thought that the 'demand' was a very small minority making an awful lot of noise. In twenty three years of model train retailing I've never once been asked whether a model of this train was available, although I've had the odd request for centre cars for the old Tri-ang version. Even since the announcemen of the proposed Bachmann model, only one customer has expressed an interest, and that for a livery variation which has not been announced. Will it bomb? Well if the amount of interest on here is anything to go by, it's a distinct possibility. John. > Will it bomb? Well if the amount of interest on here is anything to go by, > it's a distinct possibility. I suspect you might be right. It's one of those models that "everyone" wants, but how many will buy? And of those that do buy how many will just stick them in darkened cupboards instead of playing with, sorry, operating them? At £300+ it's a lot of money for 6 cars. SignaturePaul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.me.uk/ >> I'm amazed that no-one has commented on the forthcoming Bachmann >> release of the 6-car Blue Pullman. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Will it bomb? Well if the amount of interest on here is anything to > go by, it's a distinct possibility. When Oxford Diecast announced it was going to release a Daimler hearse in O, OO and N scales, many people doubted that there would be enough interest. It's now one of their best-selling models! SignatureMartin S. > When Oxford Diecast announced it was going to release a Daimler hearse in > O, OO and N scales, many people doubted that there would be enough > interest. It's now one of their best-selling models! Did that sell for over £300? John. >> When Oxford Diecast announced it was going to release a Daimler >> hearse in O, OO and N scales, many people doubted that there would be >> enough interest. It's now one of their best-selling models! > > Did that sell for over £300? Well, no. It was about £4. SignatureMartin S. >>> When Oxford Diecast announced it was going to release a Daimler >>> hearse in O, OO and N scales, many people doubted that there would be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, no. It was about £4. Whippoorwills call, evenin' is nigh Hurry to my Blue Pullman Turn to the right, there's a little white light Will lead you to my Blue Pullman You'll see a smilin' face, a fireplace, a cozy room Little nest that nestles where the roses bloom Molly and me, and the baby makes three We're happy in my, in my Blue Pullman [instrumental] (slap, slap) Sorry, got carried away. > "Paul Boyd" wrote > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > John. I admit to having an interest - it arises from my regular use of the trains in the early 60's. I also consider them to be important in that they were the precursors of both the HST125s and the modern distributed drive multiple units. I have succeeded in making up two power cars which are hybrids of the original + driving and trailing ends from a 125 set. The pair are DCC with the trailer running in reverse. The sole drawback being the cost of the train carriages on eBay - they sell at 20 GBP irrespective of condition. Bachmann no doubt are rea > I > > Bachmann no doubt are rea- > - Well, as I was saying before my keyboard took over---- Bachmann appear to be reacting to this demand as they have in the past. As they were relatively short lived and limited in their operations one could perhaps understand the apparant lack of interest but I think that the EBay prices indicate a healthy demand. The effect of cutting out so many models and spare chassis has had a huge effect on lowering the amount of steam outline available. Personally I think that both of the main manufacturers have missed a market in which complete chassis and bodies are available. Peter A > As they were relatively short lived and limited in their operations > one could perhaps understand the apparant lack of interest but I think > that the EBay prices indicate a healthy demand. There are probably 10-20 decent sets offered on eBay each year, and I suspect the main demand for them is for the centre cars to strengthen existing sets. That to me doesn't confirma a healthy demand, just a relatively small number of potential buyers who want an extra centre car or two. Also bear in mind that the £20+ for centre cars alone on eBay doesn't come close to the likely £30-45 price for new ones from Bachmann (or any other manufacturer for that matter). I reckon a production run of around 1,500 centra cars by Hornby would pretty much soak up any real demand, providing the price for them was sensible. John. |
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