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Model Forum / General / Railroads / September 2010Blue Pullman - again!
Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland or Western version) carried small yellow warning panels please. John. > Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic reference) > whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland or Western version) > carried small yellow warning panels please. > > John. I have looked at the pictures on Google (of the real thing) and of the 8 or so photos cannot see any yellow warning panels. Reagrds Peter A >> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland or >> Western version) carried small yellow warning panels please. > > I have looked at the pictures on Google (of the real thing) and of the > 8 or so photos cannot see any yellow warning panels. People didn't need any visual warning of approaching trains in those days. The station announcer would come on the Tannoy and say, "Would passengers standing on Platform 3 please stand well back from the edge as the Birmingham express passes through." 20 seconds later, the train would whizz through - on Platform 2. Anyone remember the performer who could simulate all this with his voice and a special microphone?  SignatureMartin S. > Anyone remember the performer who could simulate all this with his voice > and a special microphone? Perhaps you're thinking of Reginald Gardiner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg4T3imFyqI Which I remember from my childhood. Stuart >> Anyone remember the performer who could simulate all this with his >> voice and a special microphone? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Which I remember from my childhood. No, it wasn't him, although I do remember this record. Uncle Mac used to play it on Children's Favourites, along with The Laughing Policeman and that song about Christopher Robin and Alice visiting Buckingham Palace. SignatureMartin S. >>> Anyone remember the performer who could simulate all this with his >>> voice and a special microphone? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >play it on Children's Favourites, along with The Laughing Policeman and >that song about Christopher Robin and Alice visiting Buckingham Palace. You're showing your age. Derek MacCulloch - Uncle Mac. I was on Regional Round when I was a kid, and this included being shown round Broadcasting House. It was Uncle Mac's program, he was the question master and we were introduced to him. I liked Reginald Gardener, but couldn't stand the Laughing policeman. "Christopher Robin went down with Alice" sounded like a disease. > I liked Reginald Gardener, but couldn't stand the Laughing > policeman. "Christopher Robin went down with Alice" sounded like a > disease. Could have been worse he could have gone down 'on' Alice. Alice, Alice, who the flippin'-heck is Alice? Sorry. John. >> I liked Reginald Gardener, but couldn't stand the Laughing >> policeman. "Christopher Robin went down with Alice" sounded like a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Alice, Alice, who the flippin'-heck is Alice? The nanny. http://www.teddy-bear-uk.com/TBUK_Main/TBUK_LearningCentre/TBUK_FamousBears/Pooh /crobin.htm >Sorry. > >John. >>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > People didn't need any visual warning of approaching trains in those days. The yellow ends where introduced for the benefit of track workers. SignatureChris >>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > The yellow ends where introduced for the benefit of track workers. After they gave them hearing protectors and goggles? SignatureMartin S. >>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>>>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > After they gave them hearing protectors and goggles? Not sure what you are getting at. It is strange that LT don't have yellow ends or for that matter a lot of other railways around the world. I did hear that yellow ends were added so that if the headlights failed the train could still run in service, daylight obviously, rather than the train being failed. Headlights are much better for track workers to see approaching trains than yellow ends. SignatureChris >>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>>>>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > obviously, rather than the train being failed. Headlights are much > better for track workers to see approaching trains than yellow ends. Steam trains didn't have either, and the driver's forward vision was often obstructed, but they were generally noisier, slower and more conspicuous from a distance with their smoke and steam. SignatureMartin S. >>>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>>>>>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >often obstructed, but they were generally noisier, slower and more >conspicuous from a distance with their smoke and steam. In steam days the people working on the track had a lookout who would blow a horn to warn of an approaching train. There were also temporary speed restriction signs well in advance which the train crew had been notified of. >>>>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by >>>>>>>> photographic reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>> >>> Not sure what you are getting at. - which would prevent them seeing or hearing approaching trains as well? >>> It is strange that LT don't have >>> yellow ends or for that matter a lot of other railways around the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > speed restriction signs well in advance which the train crew had been > notified of. So, are you saying that in steam days there was no need for headlights or yellow panels to give visual approach warning because track gang working practices were safer? SignatureMartin S. >>>>>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by >>>>>>>>> photographic reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >or yellow panels to give visual approach warning because track gang >working practices were safer? Am I? If I'd meant that I would have said that. What I DID say waqs thay used lookout men. >>>>>>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by >>>>>>>>>> photographic reference) whether the original Blue Pullman [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > What I DID say waqs thay used lookout men. And they don't now? (I'm just pulling your chain, BTW) SignatureMartin S. >>>>>>>> Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic >>>>>>>> reference) whether the original Blue Pullman train (either [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > speed restriction signs well in advance which the train crew had been > notified of. Lookouts are still used. SignatureChris > Not sure what you are getting at. It is strange that LT don't have yellow > ends or for that matter a lot of other railways around the world. I did > hear that yellow ends were added so that if the headlights failed the > train could still run in service, Nah, headlights at that time were little better than the oil lamps on steam locos. John. >> Not sure what you are getting at. It is strange that LT don't have yellow >> ends or for that matter a lot of other railways around the world. I did [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > John. Or 60W bulbs on the front of Southern EMUs. SignatureChris > The yellow ends where introduced for the benefit of track workers. They were introduced in 1963 also to warn pedestrians at level crossings (those without barriers, I assume) of the approach of what were very dark coloured trains. John. > Can anyone state categorically (ideally backed up by photographic reference) > whether the original Blue Pullman train (either Midland or Western version) > carried small yellow warning panels please. > > John. Have had a quick look through Keith Robertson's book "Blue Pullman" (but not the supplement, which I don't have) and all photogrpahs show the ends to be either blue with the Pullman crest (as originally introduced) or all over yellow; I cannot recall ever seeing a photograph of any with the small warning panels. I accept this doesn't mean that small panels were never carried and - as ever - am content to be proved wrong. David Costigan |
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