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Model Forum / General / Railroads / September 2010Wagon Wheels
I'm trying to model the late 1950's. In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans still be running on spoked wheels or would they have been fitted with 3-hole by then? Thanks, Roger. > I'm trying to model the late 1950's. > In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans > still be running on spoked wheels or would they have been fitted with 3-hole > by then? > Thanks, > Roger. I observed both. But if you want total accuracy, you'll need photos. wolf k. >> I'm trying to model the late 1950's. >> In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >wolf k. You sometimes even got both on the same wagon. One type on each axle. >>> I'm trying to model the late 1950's. >>> In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You sometimes even got both on the same wagon. One type on each axle. As far as .. there wasnt a policy of replacing wheels. There was one of scrapping anything with grease lubrication axles. Your question is a bit general, are there any particular wagons you are interested in. As Wolf said look at photos. One of the best sites ever .... http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/ Cheers, Simon <snip> > You sometimes even got both on the same wagon. One type on each axle. I have an odd memory of seeing a photo of something with two types of wheel on the same axle.  SignatureJades' First Encounters Site - http://www.jades.org/ffe.htm The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web. nospam@jades.org /is/ a real email address! ><snip> > >> You sometimes even got both on the same wagon. One type on each axle. > >I have an odd memory of seeing a photo of something with two types of >wheel on the same axle. I've seen that too but it would have been unusual because wheels are usually turned down on the axle until the tread gets too shallow and then replaced as a pair. It would be unusual to just replace one. Mis-matched buffers were more common. I have a wonderful photograph John Lewis sent me of a standard gauge GWR tilt wagon. This was an early broad gauge design with metal supports for a canvas sheet (the tilt) so it looked a bit like a covered wagon from a Western movie. This has different buffers at each end. > >I have an odd memory of seeing a photo of something with two types of > >wheel on the same axle. > > I've seen that too but it would have been unusual because wheels are > usually turned down on the axle until the tread gets too shallow and > then replaced as a pair. It would be unusual to just replace one. WW2. shortages explain everything. >> >I have an odd memory of seeing a photo of something with two types of >> >wheel on the same axle. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >WW2. shortages explain everything. Even in WW2 the wheels would have had different mileages and have worn to different disameters. >I'm trying to model the late 1950's. >In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans >still be running on spoked wheels or would they have been fitted with 3-hole >by then? And have wagon wheels become smaller since out youth? And is the chocolate thinner now? I think we should be told! Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> wrote: > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 20:51:01 +0100, "Roger Thomas" > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed > to be worth the price paid. If anyone was going to post this it was going to be either me or Guy. "Even in WW2 the wheels would have had different mileages and have worn to different disameters. " Very true but what about adding a new rim or just letting it roll. It was wartime and the most important thing was getting from A to B ! To have two mis-matched wheels could be a talking point at shows etc > On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > To have two mis-matched wheels could be a talking point at shows etc Would have thought by late 1950's the wartime ravages would be long gone. There was heck of a lot of wagons built by then - esp steel mineral. Cheers, Simon >> On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Would have thought by late 1950's the wartime ravages would be long gone. >There was heck of a lot of wagons built by then - esp steel mineral. True, but the early 60s on saw a lot of goods stock getting incredibly ratty, according to the photographic evidence. I don't think anything's out of the question. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>> On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Guy But, but.....they were saying about effects of the war and the OP was asking about late 1950's :-) Cheers, Simon >>>> On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >But, but.....they were saying about effects of the war and the OP was asking >about late 1950's :-) Aye. I don't know if the rattiness of 62 had its roots in 58. I don't have enough pictures to really tell; I suspect the maintenance backlog from the war was sufficient that a lot of places never caught up but I have no sources for that opinion. Guy Signaturehttp://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/ The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed to be worth the price paid. >>>>> On 18 Sep, 01:57, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <guy.chap...@spamcop.net> >>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Guy May depend on the type of wagon. OK I admit I know very little about them, but there were a heck of a lot of steel bodied mineral wagons built and few wooden ones left by then. Cheers, Simon A lot depends on the wagon, and where it was last shopped for repair etc. If the repair shops had a spare set of wheels (two wheels on one axle) of the right size they would use it, whether disc or spoke. hence the number of wagons reported, as below, with different sets at each end. It wasn't just British railways that did it - I've seen several photos of German stock similarly fitted. Generally there wouldn't be a blanket policy of swapping good wheels on pre- nationalisation wagons for more up-to-date ones, the cost being phenomenal. It would be a case of replacement when and as it was needed on safety grounds, and that often depended on the amount of mileage clocked up. There were a lot more small wagon repair shops, frequently privately owned, dotted around the system in those days, whose stocks would vary considerably. It was more important to keep the wagon in traffic than having it look pretty! >I'm trying to model the late 1950's. >In general terms, would pre-nationalisation open wagons and closed vans >still be running on spoked wheels or would they have been fitted with 3-hole >by then? >Thanks, >Roger. |
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