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Duncan - 22 Dec 2003 13:41 GMT
Any interest in steam boats from this group?

I am currently building a Krick Victoria with a Cheddar Puffin steam
engine. Information on doing this seems rare so I am charting my
progress on the web with photographs and links to help others that
might try this.

See details at:

http://www.astbury.org/models/mdmain.htm

and more specifically

http://www.astbury.org/models/puffin/mdpuffin.htm

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KC - 22 Dec 2003 19:00 GMT
Hi Duncan, I presently have one steamboat. The Lady Sarah steam launch from
a Sovereign Models kit in the UK. It is powered by a twin cylinder steam
engine from Marten,Howes and Baylis. This was built when they were producing
their own steam engines. I'm using a vertical, gas fired boiler. I build my
own boilers.
   This winter, I am going to build the "Brooklyn", a steam railroad tug
from Dumas Models, and plan on steam power. As well, I have decided to
refurbish my steam launch, after which, it will be relegated to a display
case.    KC

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Duncan - 23 Dec 2003 16:28 GMT
KC

Good to know there is at least one fellow steam enthusiast out there!

Cheddar now do the engines for the Marten, Howes Bayliss models but I
have started with one of Cheddar's simpler engines - a 2 cyclinder
oscillator (I aspire to a slide valve engine some time in the future).

I found a picture of "Brooklyn" on the web but was not so lucky with
Sovereign - do you have any pictures of Lady Sarah?

I am suitably impressed that you do your own boilers - is that to save
money or do you just like doing them? I am in the UK but guess that
you are US based - what are the pressure test and
certification/insurance requirements in the US?

Duncan.

>Hi Duncan, I presently have one steamboat. The Lady Sarah steam launch from
>a Sovereign Models kit in the UK. It is powered by a twin cylinder steam
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KC - 27 Dec 2003 17:52 GMT
Hello Duncan,
   So sorry for the delay in responding to your post. The holidays here
have         kept me very busy.

> Cheddar now do the engines for the Marten, Howes Bayliss models but I
> have started with one of Cheddar's simpler engines - a 2 cyclinder
> oscillator (I aspire to a slide valve engine some time in the future).

   Yes, I found that out a few weeeks ago, when I called them about  a new
steam engine. Too bad, as they produced a fine piece of machinery.
   However, Cheddar also has some nice pieces. I am thinking of looking
into     one of their "boiler kits". At least the machine work will be done
(hopefully).

> I found a picture of "Brooklyn" on the web but was not so lucky with
> Sovereign - do you have any pictures of Lady Sarah?

   Sovereign is no longer in business, I believe the owner had been taken
ill         and was closing down his operation. I purchased the kit through
the                 Westbourne Model Center in the UK. It was originally
supplied with a             "dummy" steam plant and I decided to use live
steam. I do have pictures of     it completed, as well as under
construction. If you let me know what you         are interested in seeing,
I will try and scan them and put them on a website      somewhere, then send
you the link. Will probably be something like Sony         Imagestation or
Picture Trail. If you'd prefer them sent directly, let me             know.

> I am suitably impressed that you do your own boilers - is that to save
> money or do you just like doing them? I am in the UK but guess that
> you are US based - what are the pressure test and
> certification/insurance requirements in the US?

   Well, Thank you, however this was my first venture into steam, and I was
fortunate enough to meet a retired steam engineer from General Electric. He
is also a boatmodeler, but only so he has something to put his steamplants
into. He scratch builds everything, down  to his hex head bolts. His fleet,
includes a tug, two launches and a beautiful Clyde Puffer, with operating
steam powered winch!!  He was one of the people that designed and
installed some of the fist steam turbines on ships such as the battleship
USS     Massachusetts, etc.
   I did not build a boiler to save money, I did it because when I
mentioned to     this gentleman that I was going to purchase a boiler, a
look of horror came     over his face. He was a machinist before he became
an engineer, and had an     outstandingly well equipped shop at his house.
This is how my boiler came     to be. He instructed and I worked. And
although I have a fairly well                 equipped shop (although much
smaller), it pales by comparison. I will             probably be purchasing
my next boiler. I also have pictures of the boiler.         Components,
construction and  completed. We had it tested to 100psi, and     run it
between 30-40psi. As far as I know, there are no test or certification
requirements for model use. I know that some garden railway steam
engines are available ASME certified, if you want to buy them that way. You
can also buy them uncertified, I believe. I'm not 100% sure about that,
someone please correct me if I'm wrong (won't be the first time).
   And you are correct, I am in the US, In New England out near Cape Cod,
Massachusetts.
   It's nice meeting some who shares an interest in "live" stema powered
boats.If there's anything I forgot, just ask...  Ken

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Duncan - 28 Dec 2003 18:11 GMT
Ken,

Picture wise I would be interested in seeing how the
boiler/engine/fuel are positioned in the boat and how you have set up
the servo linkages. Also pipe work and how it all fits together. I
know the time it can take scanning and preping pics for the web so
will understand if you don't want to do too much but I will enjoy
looking at any pictures you do put up. Better on the web than sent
directly as then perhaps others in the group can view them - it may
spark a little more interest.

Fortunate is hardly a strong enough term for being pals with a retired
steam engineer - wish I was!

Does anyone in this group know why you cannot get working model steam
turbine engines (or where you can if I am wrong)?

Funny you being in Massachusetts, I am in London currently but work
for Fleet National Bank (previously BankBoston) so have  a few links
to your general area.

Duncan.

> Hello Duncan,
>    So sorry for the delay in responding to your post. The holidays here
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>    It's nice meeting some who shares an interest in "live" stema powered
>boats.If there's anything I forgot, just ask...  Ken
Jas - 29 Dec 2003 12:50 GMT
Have a look at the steam engine in this site

http://www.grmbc.org.uk/

JB
KC - 29 Dec 2003 23:20 GMT
Hello Duncan,
If you go to http://www.picturetrail.com/chauffeur you can see some
pictures of my S/L  Lady Sarah. Some pictures were taken at various stages
of construction. The fuel tank is under the floor boards and inaccessible
now. I also posted an album of Charlie's work. Remember, he scratch builds
everything, (including the molds for the hulls). Wish I had a tiny bit of
his talent. Anymore questions, post'em here. Well, enjoy.  Ken

> Ken,
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Duncan - 30 Dec 2003 19:41 GMT
Thanks, I enjoyed looking through the pictures. Some nice woodwork on
Lady Sarah and as for Charlie's steam winch - wow.

(At the risk of being off topic I even looked at the Chevy pics)

Getting back in topic - ish- we were at the Sandown Model Engineering
Exhibition on Monday and my partner, Cherry, has committed to a 1/3rd
scale traction engine, details will be posted at
http://www.astbury.org/steam/steam.htm

Makes my model steam launch look like kids stuff!

Duncan.

> Hello Duncan,
> If you go to http://www.picturetrail.com/chauffeur you can see some
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>everything, (including the molds for the hulls). Wish I had a tiny bit of
>his talent. Anymore questions, post'em here. Well, enjoy.  Ken
nexusbob - 01 Oct 2004 07:41 GMT
Duncan Wrote:
> KC
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> thanks.

I have just aquired a lady sarah and would like to fit my puffin stea
plant to this model. Anyone done this and if so how did you hide th
gas can.

Bo

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nexusbo
Duncan - 02 Oct 2004 18:56 GMT
>I have just aquired a lady sarah and would like to fit my puffin steam
>plant to this model. Anyone done this and if so how did you hide the
>gas can.
>
>Bob

Bob,

I see someone already posted a previous dialogue which touched on this
subject.

For details on using the Cheddar Puffin engine (but in a Krick
Victoria) you can look at:
http://www.astbury.org/models/puffin/mdpuffin.htm

References to Lady Sarah are few but you can find some photos on:
http://www.scale-models.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249

I think you have two basic options with the gas can, but remember to:
a) consider leaving room for receiver & servos,
b) consider effects on trim,
c) allow access to fill the can

1) Hide it - looks like the bow or cabin are the only options here but
the bow does not have much space and the cabin will not look so good
if the gas can is seen through the windows.

You may need to replace the gas can with something smaller or even
custom made, Cheddars range can be seen at:
http://www.modelsteam.co.uk/accessories.html

And SVS (Stour Valley Steam) may make tanks to order, no web site but
contact details here:
http://www.kingstonmouldings.co.uk/Suppliers/RecommendedSuppliers.asp

2) Don't hide it - just disguise it slightly - do something with wood
strips and brass (the approach I have taken with my condensing oil
trap) to make a feature of it, like this example
http://www.astbury.org/models/puffin/mcvic3.jpg
(also note in this picture how a brass strip conducts some heat back
from the boiler to the gas can as it can freeze up as the pressurised
gas is used)

or try to make it look like a seat/coal bunker etc.

Hope this helps
Duncan.
www.astbury.org
Us - 22 Nov 2004 17:13 GMT
I'm highly interested, but currently saving for that prized first engine.
How difficult are they to run and maintain?  Having grown up in an area
where commercial shipping was huge, my interest is definitely there and
waiting.

Travis

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Duncan - 23 Nov 2004 23:15 GMT
In general steam engines should not be difficult to maintain or run.
Do you have a particular engine in mind as your first? Oscillating
engines have few moving parts and so can prove very reliable.

>I'm highly interested, but currently saving for that prized first engine.
>How difficult are they to run and maintain?  Having grown up in an area
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Us - 24 Nov 2004 12:11 GMT
Duncan,

I was thinking of Midwest's Heritage engine due to simplicity and minimal
initial cost.  But I'd love to dive in with one of Cheddar's line as the
manufacturing looks of high quality (as is stated of by others as well).  I
know little of Wilesco and other manufacturers though.  I've noticed that
there aren't a lot of vendors stateside for marine live steam.  Well, live
steam in general.  Though railfans have a few more options to turn to.  I
lack the space for a railway, and actually prefer the water, so... back to
marine based engines.

Travis
"Duncan" <ad@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message

> In general steam engines should not be difficult to maintain or run.
> Do you have a particular engine in mind as your first? Oscillating
> engines have few moving parts and so can prove very reliable.
bolmas - 30 Nov 2004 20:45 GMT
does anyone here remember peter arnots v4 oscillator in model boat
magazine i believe it was about ten years ago. i am looking for th
volume/issue numbers it was published in or better still copies or eve
the magazines it was in. please can anyone help?

MANY THANK

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Us - 02 Dec 2004 11:38 GMT
I'm totally in the dark as far as specifics, but Marine Modelling
International from Traplet Publications might be the people to contact.
They tend to cater to steam more so than other magazines from what I've
seen.

Travis

> does anyone here remember peter arnots v4 oscillator in model boats
> magazine i believe it was about ten years ago. i am looking for the
> volume/issue numbers it was published in or better still copies or even
> the magazines it was in. please can anyone help?
>
> MANY THANKS
 
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