> William,
>
> I built a similar sized ship. It's an 8' Spruance.
> http://webpages.charter.net/timdiez/spruance/index.html
Very nice!
Similar in lines to the patrol gunboat hull I built but that didn't have
the "bulb" at the bow - different scale, but similar finished size.
You're much braver than I, though. I didn't trust my carving skills to
do an entire bow that way. I used stripwood up to the last inch or
so and only carved that last bit. (And cheated on some of that, using
Epoxolite putty smoothed to nearly the final shape with a wet finger.)
I'm glad to see someone else thought heavy poly tubing could be
useful as a universal joint. (The propellors are gorgeous, by the way.)
> I ended up blowing up plans as you'd mentioned, using an overhead
> projector
> to build the bulkheads and other detail pieces.
I lucked out with a set already to scale for the tricky bits (and half-scale
for the rest). Just need to adjust for sheathing thickness. (Probably 1/8"
thick - that gives me some sanding and support margin.)
> So, I'm curious, do you intend to make more than one.. or sell them later
> on? Just curious, because if you're just building one you could still use
> the above method.
Mainly I wanted a hull without too many bulkheads (and, maybe, the option
of making a backup copy just in case). I figured to gain structural strength
by adding fiberglass "box beams" following the curve like bulkheads,
but needing to intrude less into the spaces than flat bulkheads. (I'd start
by gluing flexible foam "bars" to the hull, then fiberglass over them,
perhaps
with a ribbon of graphite on the inner surface for rigidty.) Maybe also use
four full bulkheads and some stringers to add strength fore-and-aft. (The
stringers could serve as supports for equipment trays too.)
> I think you'd want to build some "reverse"
> bulkheads to put around the mold once you're done, so you can hold it's
> shape while the glass cures when you make future molds.
Yeah, the same way I'd make the interior ones, probably, but maybe
releasable from the mold's shell so I can flex it a bit to free the hull.
(I'm thinking it might pay to experiment on a smaller, simpler hull first.
I've been looking around to see if I could find a steam tug of about
the right period - it'd be useful as an accessory and a rescue boat
as well.)
> The only thing I'd be worried about(with your suggestion below) is getting
> you're silicon layer as perfectly smooth as you'd like. It seems to me
> you're better off molding directly off of your master hull, and use a
> release agent on that.
I'm a little concerned about getting it out since there are some reverse
curves to deal with. I thought the silicone layer would provide a little
wiggle room, literally. I believe I can smooth it out by working carefully,
using a thin first coat and a second, heavier, coat. Smooth-on's got
a variety of types, curing times, etc. (It will stick to itself, but I'd
have
to test to see if it resists delaminating - that would kill the two coat
idea right there.)
Even at that I may end up having to do a two-part mold, port and starboard
shells. (Although a joint across the beam might be easier - much shorter
seam and probably easier to brace - and that would work about as well
in terms of release.)
I don't expect to decant a perfect hull - I'd anticipate some filling and
sanding to get the final finish. Being non-commercial that's no problem.
That does mean I wouldn't even think of trying to mold all the rivets :-)
(I am thinking the hull plate seams themselves might be worth trying for,
though.)
Just thinking about it all makes me tired :-) -Wm
DiezMon - 19 Apr 2005 20:27 GMT
> You're much braver than I, though. I didn't trust my carving skills to
> do an entire bow that way. I used stripwood up to the last inch or
> so and only carved that last bit. (And cheated on some of that, using
> Epoxolite putty smoothed to nearly the final shape with a wet finger.)
Actually, it was easier than I'd hoped so it worked out well. It was one
big square of balsa, then I cut the profile using a ban saw, after that I
carved like the wind!
> I'm glad to see someone else thought heavy poly tubing could be
> useful as a universal joint. (The propellors are gorgeous, by the way.)
:) Let's hope the poly can hold up to the torque. I forget where I got
the props, it was like 4 years ago from a company in the UK.
> Yeah, the same way I'd make the interior ones, probably, but maybe
> releasable from the mold's shell so I can flex it a bit to free the hull.
> (I'm thinking it might pay to experiment on a smaller, simpler hull first.
> I've been looking around to see if I could find a steam tug of about
> the right period - it'd be useful as an accessory and a rescue boat
> as well.)
Bah! smaller-shmaller, just GO for it! LOL
> I'm a little concerned about getting it out since there are some reverse
> curves to deal with. I thought the silicone layer would provide a little
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> to test to see if it resists delaminating - that would kill the two coat
> idea right there.)
Oh, so this stuff cures hard? I was thinking it cured to be more
rubber-like.. which I could see being hard to get totally smooth.
> Even at that I may end up having to do a two-part mold, port and starboard
> shells. (Although a joint across the beam might be easier - much shorter
> seam and probably easier to brace - and that would work about as well
> in terms of release.
So, are you hoping your mold will include the top as well? Or are you
thinking of just doing the sides? Just doing sides would be much easier I'd
think. Then you could do a two part, with the seam right down the middle..
> I don't expect to decant a perfect hull - I'd anticipate some filling and
> sanding to get the final finish. Being non-commercial that's no problem.
> That does mean I wouldn't even think of trying to mold all the rivets :-)
> (I am thinking the hull plate seams themselves might be worth trying for,
> though.)
Well you never know.. if you get your master nice and smooth, the mold
results should be the same.. I've done a lot of molding for my model
railroading hobby and believe me, you want the master to be about as perfect
as you can. Making a mold and then having to tweak the results is a pain.
Although, it's not like you'll be making fifty of them.. or WILL you? ;)
> Just thinking about it all makes me tired :-) -Wm
thinking about it makes me want to head out to my shop and get to work LOL
Tim
William - 20 Apr 2005 02:29 GMT
>> I'm glad to see someone else thought heavy poly tubing could be
>> useful as a universal joint. (The propellors are gorgeous, by the way.)
>
> :) Let's hope the poly can hold up to the torque. I forget where I got
> the props, it was like 4 years ago from a company in the UK.
Was it the Prop Shop? http://www.britnett.net/propshop/
One thing I found with the larger tubing is that if the tube collapses, it
will tend to "wind up" (this actually saved my prop when I ran over a
sand bar, but it's not conducive to smooth power transfer). Inserting
a short piece of plastic tube or rod into the joint tubing will help
prevent that. (It should be soft-ish and smooth, with rounded ends
to avoid abrading the inside of the tubing.)
>> I'm a little concerned about getting it out since there are some reverse
>> curves to deal with. I thought the silicone layer would provide a little
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> Oh, so this stuff cures hard? I was thinking it cured to be more
> rubber-like.. which I could see being hard to get totally smooth.
Well, rubbery, but not really soft. A little softer than a super ball,
maybe like a gum eraser? Except for bubbles, it will be as smooth
as the surface of the hull plug. (I know you can relieve bubbles to
some extent in epoxy by exposing it to CO2, but not sure if silicone
will do the same but it might. If not, careful brushing should be good
enough - I'll just call 'em rivets if they show up in the finished hull :-)
> So, are you hoping your mold will include the top as well? Or are you
> thinking of just doing the sides? Just doing sides would be much easier
> I'd
> think. Then you could do a two part, with the seam right down the
> middle..
Just the sides, but there is some "tumblehome" from the waterline to
the deck - just like on the old square-riggers. I don't have the plan at
hand, but I think it's around 2-3" narrower at the deck than at the widest
part amidships. Splitting it down the middle is the obvious choice - I
can build a ridge of clay down the keel and lay up one side, then
remove the clay and do the other, with plenty of keying of course.
On the other hand, splitting it cross-wise would probably work too - I
can pull the mold halves off the ends. That would let me cast the bow
torpedo tube opening more easily as well. I'll probably decide once
I have the plug ready - might be some bumps I'm not seeing on the
plans or 17" model I have.
Heh, I once started a hull for the C.S.S. Virginia (never finished it
past the sheathing for some reason). That didn't have this problem
since the U.S.S. Merrimack had burned to the waterline there was
nothing to snag a mold. Very convenient.
> Making a mold and then having to tweak the results is a pain.
> Although, it's not like you'll be making fifty of them.. or WILL you? ;)
I doubt it. Maybe two or three. (Was there a sister ship to the
Olympia that used the same hull pattern? Hmm...) -Wm